Would you guys blame the Giants if it were Ramsey?

[Tom [Giants fan]]

There are a couple of Jet fans on the gangreen board blaming Fassel for throwing an "unneccessary" blitz at Pennington during a preseason game causing Pennington to be injured. Would you feel the same way if it were Ramsey who were hurt under the same circumstances in a preseason game? I personally think it is ridiculous to blame Fassel or the Giants in any way.

[Art]

Jet fans are a bit hysterical and you'll have to forgive them. No, I wouldn't blame the Giants at all. I might wonder how come teams blitz us so much even in the preseason when we don't do any blitzing at all really, but aside from that, the blame would be on my own coaching staff for not accounting for the delayed blitz or even whispering at a streaking guy.

It was the Jets, mind you, who kept Pennington in for a meaningless two minute drill. Or, that's not so meaningless they'd say. You have to work on that in the preseason. But, the defense isn't supposed to work on making a stop? Why was Pennington in the game passing the ball in the two minute offense exactly? Was it, perhaps, to work on the two minute drill? Can't the Giants also be allowed to work on the two minute defense a little? Or is it just that the Jets get to march down the field and that's that?

I wouldn't pay much attention to Jets fans on this one. They want their cake and they don't want to be asked how come you don't get a piece.

[Nighthawk]

I've come to the conclusion that Jets fans love to cry about everything. The blitz itself isn't what caused the injury it was the way he fell. Last time I checked, they blitz in football and football is what they were playing, even if it was preseason.:cry:

[RyansRangers]

I wouldnt.. these things happen........ Defenses have to test out there blitz packages.... I dont think preseason is the time for qbs to scramble.. if its not there just throw it away dont wait so long and start running around out of the pocket..Either way freak injury

[Oldskool]

This was in no way a cheap shot by Barrow. If it was a late hit and by that action our QB was injured id be calling for the blood of that defensive player.

Jets fans are just freaking out right now. :doh:

[Big Easy]

From what I've been reading, the Redskins' first three opponents have blitzed mercilessly and on occasion knocked the crap out of Ramsey and the other QBs. And I don't have a problem with it. This is a live football game, not a scrimmage, and defenses have a right to work on their blitz packages and, in the case of the two opponents the Skins will face in the regular season, to show "Blitz Package A" to give Spurrier something to think about when he's game-planning them later, only to switch it up. Frankly, I'm sure Spurrier wants to see blitzes in preseason 'cause he's sure as heck going to see them come September. Now the cheap shots and late hits, by first-stringers as occurred with the Ravens? That bothers me, especially in preseason.

[Mickalino]

This is preseason, not a scrimmage, or a 7-on-7 drill. And the QB doesnt wear a red jersey. It's the same color as the rest of the team.

[Zen-like Todd]

It's not remotely the fault of the Giants. Now, had Ramsey or Coles been injured on those blatant late hits, I'd have been furious. But this was perfectly normal play within the whistles, and its not like Brandon Short cheap-shotted him, he just dragged him down from behind and Pennington's hand hit the ground in an awkward position.

It royally sucks for the Jets, but its really just one of those freak accidents, and not something to complain about.

[Tommy-the-Greek]

Originally posted by CrankyTodd

It's not remotely the fault of the Giants. Now, had Ramsey or Coles been injured on those blatant late hits, I'd have been furious. But this was perfectly normal play within the whistles, and its not like Brandon Short cheap-shotted him, he just dragged him down from behind and Pennington's hand hit the ground in an awkward position.

It royally sucks for the Jets, but its really just one of those freak accidents, and not something to complain about.

Todd is right on the money here. The Giants didn't do anything wrong. There was no evil intent.:2cents:

[Larry Brown #43]

Giants didn't do anything wrong...it was a freak accident. I do, however, have a problem with the THREE helmet-to-helmet hits against Ramsey that the Ravens pulled. Finally the third one was called after two no-calls. That's why the flea-flicker was so sweet...total payback.

[Ænima]

No I wouldnt have a problem with it. It wasnt a hard hit, Pennington just put his hand down the wrong way.

[Utah]

3rd game of the preseason. You better strap it up and reach down and find a pair. The dogs leash is being let go.

[Buddha]

I have a bigger problem with that dick from the Ravens who landed that very LATE helmet-to-helmet hit on Ramsey last night. Or when Lewis nailed Coles from behind out of bounds. Both were unnecessary and out of control.

[Burgold]

I'm with the crowd here. I don't blame the Giants. I do think there is an overabundance of blitzing this preseason. I think we face a blitz more than three-quarters of all passing plays. I may be exaggerating... that's not testing the package, that's living and dying by it. It's the late hits and head hits in a meaningless preseason game that bugs me. The hits to the head. That out of bounds shot to the back of Cole's knees. Dirty play.

[riggins44]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but the intent to hurt Pennington was not there. It was a clean and legal hit.

I do have a problem with the cheap shots the Ravens were

taken. Glad to see Arrington in Lewis' face letting him know

who's house he was in.

[luckydevil]

Injuries are a part of the game. It happens.

[2cents]

44, LaVar better be careful, you never know what Lewis's friends will do. :2cents:

[Larry]

If I were SS, I'd want my opponents to pull out the stops.

The whole reason we're out there risking injuries, is so we can find out how this thing we've built works against real defenses. (If we wanted to see how they worked against half defenses, we'd have stayed in Redskins Park.)

I think I'd even go so far as to do some trash-talking, in the hopes of getting the Ravens inspired enough to not hide their real playbook.

If we can't handle a blitz, then I'd much rather find that out when it doesn't count.

[Skins26]

Ramsey has been blitzed all the time. Defenses have to run them to find out what they can and cant do. Like when we blitzed champ and Patten burnt Terrell for the TD, we found out that we cant blitz champ. The Giants had to do it its football. The jets need to stop whining, then go find their own stadium and get their **** together. I would have blamed the Ravens if Coles got hurt on that late hit, on if Ramsey got hurt on that very very very disgustingly hard late hit. That guy who did that is a ***** man i watched the tape what the hell is he thinking, he should get fined. It was a really gross hit.

Personally they teach them to put their hands in front of them and then hit your palms on the ground and extend your arms, like in baseball. I dont nkow what he was thinking, trying to catch himself as if he was just standing still and fell. He should be like Ramsey and not catch himself at all.

[Joey T]

Quote by 2cents:

44, LaVar better be careful, you never know what Lewis's friends will do.

Yo $.02, who gives a $hit what Lewis's friends do. Everyone has friends and from what I've seen, Lavar and Lewis are very good friends.

Lewis shot on Coles was late, cheap and an attempt to intimidate.

LaVar was in Lewis face to let him know that he would also lay serious "legal" wood on the Raven players, when he got a shot.

[Brave]

It could end up being a positive as Ramsey is getting used to the blitzing and the pressure before it counts.

Experience is what he needs. Nice of those teams to give it to him.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by Buddha

I have a bigger problem with that dick from the Ravens who landed that very LATE helmet-to-helmet hit on Ramsey last night. Or when Lewis nailed Coles from behind out of bounds. Both were unnecessary and out of control.

Couldn't agree more... I was getting so pissed at the love fest thrown at Lewis by Sonny and Michaels, the hit on Coles was so late it wasn't even close. Lewis is trash. Sure he's a great player, but he should be in jail rather than performing his cheezy scheister/preacher act. He'll get what's coming to him sooner or later.

[NavyDave]

The helmet to hemet and before that another roughing the passer where Ramsey was bent backwards and fortunately there wasnt anyone at the bottom so his body went with the momentum of the late hit.

[SkinsLegacy44]

Originally posted by riggins44

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but the intent to hurt Pennington was not there. It was a clean and legal hit.

I do have a problem with the cheap shots the Ravens were

taken. Glad to see Arrington in Lewis' face letting him know

who's house he was in.

I agree completely. Lewis' play was disturbing. He went after two of our most important assets (ramsey & coles) & delivered late hits. Thats something to be pissed off about.

[skinsanity56]

come on.we all know in a couple of weeks it will come out in the press that "dastardly dan snyder" paid off the gmen to guarantee victory sept.4th.it wasn't enough to take there players....blah blah blah..