SLT: The Tea Party's Toxic Take on History

[Tulane Skins Fan]

So because Obama isnt EXACTLY like Hitler, the guy cant compare him to Hitler?

How many leftwingers did you engage over similar signs when Bush was in office?

You amaze me.

Edit: And people who called Bush Hitler were morons too. But, I do think that the group comparing Obama to Hitler are either much larger in number or much louder and more obnoxious.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I think people comparing Obama to Hitler are the second dumbest group of people in America. But the group that thinks the Tea Party movement is somehow represented by, or dominated by those people are the most dumbest (grammar error for effect).

How did this post follow the previous one?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Again, your simply exposing your own spot on the list. Im certain that their is a minority of you that actually believes Bush lied. Probably the same percentage that thinks Obama was born in Africa, or that Obama is Hitler, or that Bush knew about 9/11.

All of those views are moronic.

Bush did not lie about what he knew, but he did take us into a war of choice. How do you debate the latter?

Bush was not and is not an evil person (like Hitler and Stalin were). Bush (and I've always said this) was simply not competent enough to be President. (And I won't be talking about Bush again so that this doesn't get hijacked further).

[Mad Mike]

Plants.... Fact is two bipartisan independant commissions both dismissed many of the claims which you present as being false; just like the Iraqi's meating with AQ in Czech was false. Just like Iraq seeking yellow cake uranium was false. Just like Iraq trying to murder former President Bush was likely false.

Seriously. You think the pentagon report was planted (false) info? That's the most moronic, idiotic, and flat out deceitful arguments I have ever heard in my entire life. You have ZERO proof or evidence to support that statement. Your argument is a lie. It's complete bull****.

The irony of hearing someone accuse a person of cherry picking evidence, only to follow it up with the above argument is more than any rational man can bear. It's staggeringly stupid.

[Mad Mike]

But, I do think that the group comparing Obama to Hitler are either much larger in number or much louder and more obnoxious.

Really?

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=President+Bush+hitler&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0

[Burgold]

The fact is Iraq had not been active in International terrorism in decades, and even that one occassion where they were reportedly active turned out to be probable false. Al Quada hated Iraq more then they hated us because Saddam was aligned with the godless communists they fought in Afghanistan.

I wouldn't go that far. There's pretty substantial evidence that Sadam was funding Palestinian Terrorists or their surviving families.

Was Iraq an immediate and severe threat to us? I don't think so, but to say they weren;t ever up to something across border4s is,,,

[PeterMP]

Really?

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=President+Bush+hitler&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0

Just looking at the URLs, a good number of those sites appear to be far right/"truther" sites.

[Mad Mike]

Just looking at the URLs, a good number of those sites appear to be far right/"truther" sites.

I'm not going to make a big argument about this but seriously, we are dealing with the nature of search engines here. If it's not current, it gets buried 100 pages back. During bush's term all you had to do was type his name and 3/4 of the pictures that came up had him mocked up as Hitler. Every protest (and there were lots more than the tea parties we see now) was FULL of signs that in some way compared him to Hitler. I don't even think it's a close call. I just think the left complains more about it than the right did.

[Spec138]

I'm not going to make a big argument about this but seriously, we are dealing with the nature of search engines here. If it's not current, it gets buried 100 pages back. During bush's term all you had to do was type his name and 3/4 of the pictures that came up had him mocked up as Hitler. Every protest (and there were lots more than the tea parties we see now) was FULL of signs that in some way compared him to Hitler. I don't even think it's a close call. I just think the left complains more about it than the right did.

This. I don't really care either way. It used to bother me when I'd see things like that about Bush but I think that was mostly because I was too young to remember the Clinton admin that well. Seeing the right do it has made me apathetic to politics in general.

About 2.5 or 6.5 years from now there's a good chance the tables are turned and a nearly identical thread will be here. The whole process is ridiculous and it amazes me people will spend this much time debating such meaningless things.

Reading this thread reminds me of the Douche and Turd episode of Southpark

[stickyshooZ]

seriously, you guys need to quit partaking in the left vs. Right paradigm. This country is controlled by bankers and the federal reserve. It doesn't matter what party is in power.

One could write down on paper the quotes and political stances by obama and bush and throw them in a bag, then pull one out and and try to guess who said it or did it. Bush and obama are like twins.

thank you!

[jpyaks3]

I wouldn't go that far. There's pretty substantial evidence that Sadam was funding Palestinian Terrorists or their surviving families.

Was Iraq an immediate and severe threat to us? I don't think so, but to say they weren;t ever up to something across border4s is,,,

From what I understand what Saddam and his regime were doing with regards to Palestinian terrorists was he was providing the families of suicide bombers who had their homes and livelihoods destroyed by Israel's policy of collective punishment a small amount of money so they weren't entirely on the streets. To my knowledge that was the extent of it, he wasn't actively providing incentive more than he was helping the families of the suicide bombers after their lives were destroyed.

I think there is a big difference between funding terrorists and providing support for the families of suicide bombers who had nothing to do with the attacks with some money after their homes were destroyed.

[jpyaks3]

Since lies about Iraq have entered the discussion...

Bunch of words

Most of those links are minor at best, such as having an office in Baghdad, thats not a real link or simply having contact with members of an organization. Just because someone in the Iraqi regime may have had contact with those organizations does not show a substantial link for funding, training, or anything of substance. If you really want to link the Saddam regime to international terrorism you are going to have to do better than that.

EDIT: The United States government has links to groups worse than that and more substantial than that.

[NavyDave]

The story isn't about silencing them. It is about educating them.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the President's actions.

There is something wrong with believing that you live under an intolerable tyranny just because your side lost an election. There is something wrong with yelling "communist" and "fascist" when you have no idea what either of those things actually are.

Just win the next election if you want to be rid of Obama. You don't need an armed revolution to overthrow AdolfHitlerJosefStalinFidelCastroIdiAmin, because Obama isn't any of those things. He's just a President who is more liberal than you like.

Yeah Obama is only Guilty by association. Its not his fault alot of his friends and people in his cabinet and former business dealings embrace socialist principles or are actually members of a communist party.

And its just a coincidence that stealing our money err wealth redistribution is similar to other regimes but to be fair Hitler, according to Marge Schott did create an outstanding highway system and liberals here in the USA, laud Castro for the literacy of the Cuban population. :doh:

So for the time being it be ok to make "Death of a President part two" and the liberal media will have the same lack of outrage when its about Obama as it was with Bush?

[Burgold]

Yeah Obama is only Guilty by association. Its not his fault alot of his friends and people in his cabinet and former business dealings embrace socialist principles or are actually members of a communist party.

And its just a coincidence that stealing our money err wealth redistribution is similar to other regimes but to be fair Hitler, according to Marge Schott did create an outstanding highway system and liberals here in the USA, laud Castro for the literacy of the Cuban population. :doh:

So for the time being it be ok to make "Death of a President part two" and the liberal media will have the same lack of outrage when its about Obama as it was with Bush?

Man, as a man who once wore the uniform to accuse the Commander in Chief of being hitler-like is disgraceful. This is too far. Even for you

[Burgold]

I think there is a big difference between funding terrorists and providing support for the families of suicide bombers who had nothing to do with the attacks with some money after their homes were destroyed.

The way I heard it was that it was a reward... a payoff, an incentive to someone poor to blow themselves up

[jpyaks3]

The way I heard it was that it was a reward... a payoff, an incentive to someone poor to blow themselves up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

However, families at this week's ceremony said the money would be used to rebuild homes destroyed by Israel and bring up orphaned children.

"Saddam supports the families of the martyrs, not terrorism," said Ahmed Sabah, 69, whose son was killed by an Israeli missile strike in December.

[Burgold]

Why specifically the "martyrs" then. Calling them that feels pretty wrong btw

[jpyaks3]

Why specifically the "martyrs" then. Calling them that feels pretty wrong btw

I think he is playing to his base a little bit there. Calling them terrorists doesn't resonate as well through the Arabic world as referring to them as martyrs. I think the funding goes to the families of those killed who often have enormous costs whether they were involved or not (collective punishment etc.) and the funding helps get those families through those costs. Either way I wouldn't call it a substantial link to terrorism or that he was funding terrorism.

[Burgold]

Honestly, I can kinda see both sides and how both sides could interpret it. From the Jewish Israeli POV it certainly seems dastardly, but while it is a bit of a jump in the way I process things, I can imagine why some might believe it is a gesture of sympathy for people who have lost a lot... though the reasons for their loss are... It's hard for me to believe this money is completely innocent though.

But we oughtn't derail this thread too far.

[The 12th Commandment]

And its just a coincidence that stealing our money err wealth redistribution is similar to other regimes but to be fair Hitler, according to Marge Schott did create an outstanding highway system and liberals here in the USA, laud Castro for the literacy of the Cuban population. :doh:

If I were predisposed towards conspiracies about the government ****ing us over to further their own gains, I could understand the goal of Bush and the whole oil industry/business partners/iraq issue. But what do the current boys get by stealing our wealth and giving it to poor people?

[luckydevil]

If the TPers were truly concerned about the budget - they would be protesting the billions and trillions lost on the unneeded war efforts the past 8 years.

Since they are not - I tend to think that their efforts are party, and unfortunately becoming more apparent with each rally, race driven.

Here is the thing, your average TPer doesn't actually believe in small government. The fact that Bush polls well among Tper's is all you need to know about their so called small government beliefs

While, I am not going to call them racists ( though many of them are indeed driven by it), I tend to view the movement as an expression of white conservative identity politics.

[Mephisto]

....

Both Hitler and Stalin were thus obviously both on the left of the political spectrum... They actually teach that at some University's now a days.

Economically, they were. Hitler, though to a lesser degree than Stalin, implemented a centrally-planned economy. While Hitler was vocally anti-communist, the collectivist nature of marxism really never manifested itself in the USSR under Stalin and Stalinism was simply a centrally planed dictatorship.

That said, it's extremely stupid to compare modern politicians to Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Castro/whoever. I hear people (tea-party folks and others) essentially say "Obama wants the government to control [whatever], and Stalin did that too, therefore Obama also plans to implement large-scale socialism!"

Logically this is no more valid than saying "Smoke-Free America is against smoking just like Adolf Hitler was, therefore Smoke-Free America wants to murder millions of Jews". It sounds absurd when you take it to an extreme, but people who compare any US politician to historical dictators are using this same fallacy.

[Mad Mike]

The United States government has links to groups worse than that and more substantial than that.

The above is a blatant lie. I hope you are proud of yourself.

[skinfan133]

we do live in a tyrannous society (and have for at least 100 years), but the author certainly doesn't care to hear my position about it. smug *******

[Mad Mike]

From what I understand what Saddam and his regime were doing with regards to Palestinian terrorists was he was providing the families of suicide bombers who had their homes and livelihoods destroyed by Israel's policy of collective punishment a small amount of money so they weren't entirely on the streets. To my knowledge that was the extent of it, he wasn't actively providing incentive more than he was helping the families of the suicide bombers after their lives were destroyed.

I think there is a big difference between funding terrorists and providing support for the families of suicide bombers who had nothing to do with the attacks with some money after their homes were destroyed.

Wow. You really have no shame do you? Or are you just that poorly informed?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has raised the amount offered to relatives of suicide bombers from $10,000 per family to $25,000, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday.

Since Iraq upped its payments last month, 12 suicide bombers have successfully struck inside Israel, including one man who killed 25 Israelis, many of them elderly, as they sat down to a meal at a hotel to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Passover. The families of three suicide bombers said they have recently received payments of $25,000.

It's shameful the length people will go to defend an evil dictator in order to protect their twisted vision of the bush administration being the real evil.