SLT: The Tea Party's Toxic Take on History

[chow184]

So because Obama isnt EXACTLY like Hitler, the guy cant compare him to Hitler?

How many leftwingers did you engage over similar signs when Bush was in office?

if someone is saying obama is a socialist and is trying to socialize the govt and drawing comparisons to hitler for that, that would be debatable but a legit argument, but contextually hitler also was the reason behind the mass murder of millions and a key cause of World War 2 which he is MOST famous for.

now how many people has obama killed? I'd agree he does have some socialist tendencies.

now as for people calling bush hitler... politically no, only comparison is that nearly a million have died in iraq and afghanistan as those are both conflicts caused by bush. they've also been taxpayer moneypits.

[Predicto]

Did you "educate" your fellow left wingers when they were calling Bush the samething and/or worse?

Why yes, I did, actually. Why do you ask?

[Burgold]

So because Obama isnt EXACTLY like Hitler, the guy cant compare him to Hitler?

No! He isn't remotely like Hitler other than being a human being and of male gender. You're far, far better than this! Even though we know you love to prod and poke.

[JMS]

It is every American's duty to stand up and call BS when something doesn't sit right with them. Right or wrong, the TPers disagree and make themselves heard. Silencing them is akin to killing democracy.

I agree make yourself heard... But when they brandish relatively moderate policies as communist/ socialist/ or facist... he's making the point they are not simple disagreeing with that policy. They are expressing and fostering an irrational reaction rather than just registering their disagreement....

Socialism, Communism, and Facism are still alive and well in the world. Folks should be shocked by some of these movments. The tea partiers belittle that by misusing the terms.

[Burgold]

We needed to shout when we thought the bailout of AIG > others was wrong.

We needed to shout when we thought the GM deal was only for the unions

We needed to shout when the Uni-care was a complete fabrication on cuts and spending.

If you wait until Chavez is in power, you no longer have the voice to shout with.

THEN your in Tyranny.

Right now were in a discussion of what the differences are between our ideas.

admittedly 3% of the people are sucking up most of the attention that shouldn't.

There is truth to this too, but by framing an honest complaint in hyperbolic paranoia you do the opposite of raising the concern. You cause most reasonable people to dismiss you as a kook or a hatemonger.

[Kilmer17]

I think people comparing Obama to Hitler are the second dumbest group of people in America. But the group that thinks the Tea Party movement is somehow represented by, or dominated by those people are the most dumbest (grammar error for effect).

[JMS]

I pointed out to him that Hitler murdered 10 million people, and then a bunch of people around us started laughing.

11-17 Million died in the Holicaust...

• 6 million of them jews.(close to two thirds of Europe's Jewish population) and about one quarter of these were children under 15.
  
• Up to 270,000 were Roma/Sinti (Gypsies).
  

50-70 Million people died in WWII, which I think you could lay at Hittlers feet.

Somebody may not like Obama, but his dislike for Obama doesn't rise to that level of catastrophy.

[chow184]

I think people comparing Obama to Hitler are the second dumbest group of people in America. But the group that thinks the Tea Party movement is somehow represented by, or dominated by those people are the most dumbest (grammar error for effect).

not everyone in the teaparty is a mindless dolt, it's just that the loudest ones tend to be.

[Predicto]

I think people comparing Obama to Hitler are the second dumbest group of people in America. But the group that thinks the Tea Party movement is somehow represented by, or dominated by those people are the most dumbest (grammar error for effect).

How about people comparing Obama to Stalin then?

Or for that matter, saying that Fascism and COmmunism are the same thing.

[The 12th Commandment]

This is the only thread I could find that lumps Bush in with Hitler (Stalin and Magneto too).

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=200942

Seriously, I'm with gbear, I can specifically remember us coming down on anyone preposterous enough to make that kind of comparison.

[JMS]

Or for that matter, saying that Fascism and COmmunism are the same thing.

That just kills me. It's unbelievable to me when "conservatives" believe all bad people are left or liberal and all good things are right and conservatives...

Both Hitler and Stalin were thus obviously both on the left of the political spectrum... They actually teach that at some University's now a days.

[Baculus]

more stereotyping from the left...yawn

Hilarious. The Tea Party stereotype everyone they disagree with -- fascism and communists all -- and this is your reply?

Some TP'ers are extremely thin-skinned. They'll blast their political opponents with the ad hominems, but they'll moan and complain if anyone disagrees with them. Why? Because by disagreeing with them, you are actually trying to silence them, in their minds.

"Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" They'll cry.

It's a movement that is seemingly incapable of introspection and puts itself above and beyond reproach.

[Kilmer17]

How about people comparing Obama to Stalin then?

Or for that matter, saying that Fascism and COmmunism are the same thing.

3rd and 4th place.

[Kilmer17]

not everyone in the teaparty is a mindless dolt, it's just that the loudest ones tend to be.

And the ones the media and the leftwing focus on all the time.

[JMS]

This is the only thread I could find that lumps Bush in with Hitler (Stalin and Magneto too).

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=200942

Seriously, I'm with gbear, I can specifically remember us coming down on anyone preposterous enough to make that kind of comparison.

I would argue that Bush did break with long standing American precident and take the country into a war of choice, lieing to the American people in order to secure support for that war...

Which is not entirely un-facist like. Bush definitely did approach the boundry between conservatism and extreme right Fascism... I would argue however , Hitler didn't approach this boundry, he defined it.

I would argue that extremism on the right, Hitler; or on the left, Stalin are evil. That we in the United States have largely side stepped this problem with extremist leaders because traditionally our people fundimentally are less pron to extremist ideology. Thus FDR, our most left wing President was not a communist, but still a moderate liberal; and our most conservative president prior to bush; Ronald Reagan was likewise a moderate conservative, and not a facist... I personally think GW and Cheney passed Ron on the right fringe; which is why so many conservatives today are making hte claim Bush often wasn't conservative.

[Predicto]

That just kills me. It's unbelievable to me when "conservatives" believe all bad people are left or liberal and all good things are right and conservatives...

Both Hitler and Stalin were thus obviously both on the left of the political spectrum... They actually teach that at some University's now a days.

You have got to be kidding. Maybe Liberty University? Where else?

[Baculus]

So Mr. Rosenbaum is not upset that the tea partiers are labeling Obama as a fascist and socialist but more upset that labeling Obama as a Socialist and Fascist is historically inaccurate and offensive to certain groups? WTF?

WTF do you mean by this statement? It doesn't make any sense.

It is every American's duty to stand up and call BS when something doesn't sit right with them. Right or wrong, the TPers disagree and make themselves heard. Silencing them is akin to killing democracy.

WHERE is the TP movement being "silenced"? They have wall-to-wall media coverage, an entire network, in FNC, supported them, tons of websites, and public gatherings on a regular basis.

You just made the point I was outlining in my previous post. Apparently by disagreeing with the TP movement you are trying to silence them. Which, if you ask me, is the most hypersensitive response I can imagine in a political debate.

"Well, Mr. TP'er, I disagree with your constant accusation that the President is a communist or fascist."

"QUIT TRYING TO SUPPRESS ME! TYRANNY ALERT!"

[Burgold]

You have got to be kidding. Maybe Liberty University? Where else?

I think he is. I did a double take two... I think the first line is sort of the straight line and the second is the acid dripping sarcastic puncher

[Baculus]

And the ones the media and the leftwing focus on all the time.

Of course. Especially when there are a fair amount of them. And especially if the TP movement does little to dissuade them, if not encourage them.

When you accuse the Democrats of trying to destroy the nation, what sort of people do you think will be attracted to the movement?

[Kilmer17]

Of course. Especially when there are a fair amount of them. And especially if the TP movement does little to dissuade them, if not encourage them.

When you accuse the Democrats of trying to destroy the nation, what sort of people do you think will be attracted to the movement?

Example of the top group ^

[JMS]

You have got to be kidding. Maybe Liberty University? Where else?

We had this discussion on the board and folks were quoting professors at Virginia Tech at me. It's really a testimony to how messed up our school system is when folks don't even understand that Stalin and Hitler were philosophical oposites of each other. WWII was basically a war between both of them, The western front was the side show.

[Kilmer17]

People that claim Bush lied and took us into an unprecedanted war of choice? Also part of the top group.

[Burgold]

3rd and 4th place.

This can be a really tough balance. For example, if you go to a rally and the keynote speaker is saying all kinds of blather that you disagree with and there are signs dotting the crowd around you that you find even more outrageous... and everyone at that rally is cheering and no one can be heard booing... than you have to assume that these views and images are representative.

Someone from the party has to step up and say, "Look! We are a serious group and we are opposed to X, Y, and Z, but you know as John Lennon said, "if you go carrying around pictures of Chairman Mao (or calling the President Hitler) You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

You get that and then everyone nods and says, ah... every group has extremists. You don't say that and who gets the attention... the squeakiest wheel... which is the guy saying or showing the most outrageous thing.

[Baculus]

Example of the top group ^

Sorry -- what "top group"?

[The Evil Genius]

If the TPers were truly concerned about the budget - they would be protesting the billions and trillions lost on the unneeded war efforts the past 8 years.

Since they are not - I tend to think that their efforts are party, and unfortunately becoming more apparent with each rally, race driven.