boofMcboof Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Great in the run game, even better in pass protection, 4 year starter at OSU and gave up the least sacks of anyone during that span. I'm sold as long he's decent in the run game. I'm not a fan drafting LTs high if they're just the finesse type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaBeachRedskin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 He is vastly overrated. I see him as a better Stephon Heyer. He is a good pass protector when he is committed, but he is a poor run blocker that is not a physical presence on the line. He is not close to being worth a top 10 pick. We would be making a huge mistake drafting him with the 4th overall pick. I really hope that we are able to work out a trade where we move back in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Go O-Line, or we continue to suffer. Okung needs to be our guy, unless another OL has a ridiculous combine and jumps up the board or something...which won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 He is vastly overrated. I see him as a better Stephon Heyer. He is a good pass protector when he is committed, but he is a poor run blocker that is not a physical presence on the line. He is not close to being worth a top 10 pick. We would be making a huge mistake drafting him with the 4th overall pick. I really hope that we are able to work out a trade where we move back in the draft. Is this true? I thought he was the consensus top Tackle in the draft?Don't like the sound of that. I would love to see Gerald McCoy lined up next to Albert Haynesworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Mooka, I've read several reports that state he is quite the pass blocker and will improve with instruction and more training but lacks power in run blocking. In a way, what the previous poster said about him being a better Heyer is correct. Heyer has shown some ability in pass blocking, particularly in 2007. It was his horrific run blocking that led to Jansen being re-inserted. Okung is a good prospect but I don't believe in most deep LT drafts that he would merit a top 5 selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Mooka, I've read several reports that state he is quite the pass blocker and will improve with instruction and more training but lacks power in run blocking.In a way, what the previous poster said about him being a better Heyer is correct. Heyer has shown some ability in pass blocking, particularly in 2007. It was his horrific run blocking that led to Jansen being re-inserted. Okung is a good prospect but I don't believe in most deep LT drafts that he would merit a top 5 selection. Well I've only seen him play once. Have to go by the scouting reports. This kinda sounds like he has to potential to be overpowered by NFL ends and linebackers. He'd have to get stronger and bulk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Sign me up...Okung for me at 4 but if he is gone trade back and acquire more picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobiemiles Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 We better draft a tackle. Or we will be here again in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbod21 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Bradford 1st, OT 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I wonder what the talent difference is between Okung, Davis, and Campbell. Okung is clearly the top rated OT, but Davis and Campbell look good too. I would rather trade down a little and pick up any kind of extra picks if we could land Campbell. We better draft a tackle. Or we will be here again in 3 years. You're right. At some point in the draft, we ought to tackle a tackle. No need for it to be in the 1st round though. We can go 2nd round IF we find Shanahan's ideal QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 We better draft a tackle. Or we will be here again in 3 years. Draft a tackle? Sure, I can buy that (though I don't really buy that argument I've seen rosters of SB contenders with FA or acquired LTs) But with the #4 pick in the draft necessarily? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 ];7182534']I wonder what the talent difference is between Okung' date=' Davis, and Campbell. Okung is clearly the top rated OT, but Davis and Campbell look good too. I would rather trade down a little and pick up any kind of extra picks if we could land Campbell.[/quote'] The top OL in the draft are Okung, Campbell, Brown, Bulaga and Davis. Okung, Brown, Bulaga and Campbell all are fits for either LOT or ROT. Davis is massive and most likely not athletic enough to play LOT in a zone blocking scheme. Should only be considered a ROT if the Skins look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Draft a tackle? Sure, I can buy that (though I don't really buy that argument I've seen rosters of SB contenders with FA or acquired LTs)But with the #4 pick in the draft necessarily? no. Again, if you don't draft OL are you satisfied with what you saw this year? And you've never addressed the fact that the best and youngest OL will be RFA's next year. Time to bite the bullet and draft smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boofMcboof Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 The Zone Blocking System that's coming in (assuming) is interesting. The beauty of it is that it doesn't require spending high draft picks on OL. You can of course, but the real value for ZBS teams is getting OL that other teams pass on because they don't possess traditional brute strength needed of power run teams. Same thing of the Tampa-2 based defenses. They don't require CBs with highly-sought-after man to man cover skills. These teams get value in the draft with CBs that other teams pass on. Of course, the more teams that run ZBS, the less value teams can get in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 The Zone Blocking System that's coming in (assuming) is interesting. The beauty of it is that it doesn't require spending high draft picks on OL. You can of course, but the real value for ZBS teams is getting OL that other teams pass on because they don't possess traditional brute strength needed of power run teams. Same thing of the Tampa-2 based defenses. They don't require CBs with highly-sought-after man to man cover skills. These teams get value in the draft with CBs that other teams pass on. Of course, the more teams that run ZBS, the less value teams can get in the draft. All of what you just said is true. However you completely discount the fact that this team does not have a cornerstone LOT or ROT which the ZBS is built upon. In a normal year, Shanahan could find athletic O-lineman that fit his scheme in the mid to late rounds. With one returning starter to the OL, and no CBA this is anything but a normal year and normal circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 That's fine with me, but I'd much rather trade back and acquire an additonal pick 2nd or 3rd pick and draft OT and QB/RB/ additional O lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peeping Wizard Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I think a blue chip OT prospect is one of the safest top 5 picks you can make. Even busts like Robert Gallery are turned into decent guards. Okung looks like the real deal and if he is there at 4 I would be thrilled if the 'Skins pulled the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 sign me up...okung for me at 4 but if he is gone trade back and acquire more picks +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emoshag Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Okung is a good prospect but I don't believe in most deep LT drafts that he would merit a top 5 selection. Exactly. He is the top rated LT in this draft... but this draft is very thin at LT. On Kipers Big Board he only has 2 OL in the top 25.... not a good sign. See, if we are picking at number 4.... and trust me I don't want to draft anything but OL this entire draft (and maybe a true FS and RB).... but at number 4 if you have someone special sitting there and knowing you are going to pay them what a top 5 pick gets.... how could you not take them or trade down? Sure, you lose out on the top OL in the draft... but this top OL would have been 5 or 6 last year. And by trading down you get value... but lesser players (so to speak). I would hate to be Bruce Allen sitting at number 4 in this years draft with the teams glaring need being one of the weakest draft classes in memory. Sucks to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Fried Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Okung won't be available between St. Louis, Detroit, and Tampa Bay, especially Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 As it stands right now IIRC, we pick #4 and KC picks #5Detroit may have its pick of Suh or Okung at #2. If Okung is taken at #2, then TB takes Suh at #3. Gotcha. I wasn't sure that Okung was on anyone's radar except for KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Agreed. With a top 5 pick, you want to be sure you draft the "right" guy. He'll be earning a boatloat of money and it should be money well-spent. We should not overthink this pick and use it to "reach" for a QB who's not worthy of the top 5 (Claussen, Bradford). We desperately need o-line help, Okung is an absolute beast, and we can pencil him in as a Pro Bowler for a decade (hopefully!) just like we did with the Chris Samuels pick, back in the day. it's possible, but unlikely. too many easy-chair scouts make these type of predictions every year - only to be proven wrong time after time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 ];7181961']Both Claussen and Bradford are Top 5 worthy picks. Claussen is arguably the most pro ready QB to ever come out' date=' and Bradford put up impressive numbers with amazing accuracy, not to mention he has an ideal NFL build.I'm not saying we should take either one over Okung. I'm just saying that let's not trash other worthy players just because it doesn't suit your agenda.[/quote'] ......can't.....speak.......lack.......of oxygen............from laughing........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTribeVA Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 All the orders, cults, churches, and other "The ____ of ____"s are starting to get old. Although I can't deny this one probably has the best ring to it of any yet haha. I think we should go BPA among lineman and QBs available at our pick. Whoever Bruce and HC rate highest, I'll go along with. I'd be pumped to get Okung though. An elite DL and elite OL in two years??--that's building from the trenches!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 The Order doesn't seem to be doing a good job. Okung is looking less like a legit top 5 prospect. Someone like Anthony Davis is looking better with his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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