rumplestilskin Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 They know each other, they worked with each other successfully and they run the same offense. Sherman lewis stays on as the OC/play caller or maybe give Zorn another chance. Holmgren will find the right personnel for the system already in place so we dont have to start at ground zero again. Do you think I am nuts or is there some logic to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itoolu Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Zorn is not a leader of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Holmgren was a terrible GM. He had to give up GM duties Why would we want to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinizzle Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 So let Holmgren worry about replacing Zorn later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The thought crossed my mind but what makes more sense is this. Snyder hires Shanahan as GM/HC, then Shanahan demotes Vinny to some other position within the organization as Shanahan and Vinny are supposidly good friends. Snyder doesn't make the move but Shanahan does. It doesn't make Snyder look like the bad guy. This way everyone's happy. Shanahan's in control, Vinny's still getting a paycheck from Snyder etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Come on guys, you know Zorn's a winner and we can't do better. Our best bet is to resign him for 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNumberOne Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Holmgren was a terrible GM. He had to give up GM dutiesWhy would we want to do this? There is no positive reasoning to do this other than a Snyder-esque lack of football reasoning. Blindly giving people credit for things they aren't due is not how you evaluate skills effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadKarma Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Oh hell no, I want Zorn and this WCO offense on the first bus out of town as soon as the season ends or we are eliminated from playoff contention. Eff the WCO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Holmgren was a terrible GM. He had to give up GM dutiesWhy would we want to do this? Well, I could see the argument that he was trying to be both GM and HC which can be trying. Why not let him just be a GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Come on guys, you know Zorn's a winner and we can't do better. Our best bet is to resign him for 10 years I think Zorns failures relate directly with the personnell Vinny has givin him. At least Holmgren knows about building a solid O line with depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 They know each other, they worked with each other successfully and they run the same offense. Sherman lewis stays on as the OC/play caller or maybe give Zorn another chance. Holmgren will find the right personnel for the system already in place so we dont have to start at ground zero again. Do you think I am nuts or is there some logic to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Why do we want to keep a man that gutlessly in recent weeks has continued to put up with all the public humiliation management throws at him, aside from his, uhmm, coaching "ability's?" We want him to continue leading, (said with tongue FIRMLY in cheek), 53 men? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Why do we want to keep a man that gutlessly in recent weeks has continued to put up with all the public humiliation management throws at him, aside from his, uhmm, coaching "ability's?"We want him to continue leading, (said with tongue FIRMLY in cheek), 53 men? Hail. Agreed, GHH. He wants his $5,000,000. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Agreed, GHH. He wants his $5,000,000. That's it. There is also a certain amount of balls in seeing things through and not quiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Agreed, GHH. He wants his $5,000,000. That's it. So it would appear RWJ. On the one hand I can appreciate him taking them for all he can; but, on the other, and speaking personally, I would neither give them the satisfaction of eventually firing me, nor would my self respect allow them to publicly humiliate me and my position the way they have. But I guess the mighty dollar rules all with some people, shrugs. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsManNJ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Agreed, GHH. He wants his $5,000,000. That's it. Wouldn't you stay for 5mil? I know I would. For the money and to be spiteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 So it would appear RWJ.On the one hand I can appreciate him taking them for all he can; but, on the other, and speaking personally, I would neither give them the satisfaction of eventually firing me, nor would my self respect allow them to publicly humiliate me and my position the way they have. But I guess the mighty dollar rules all with some people, shrugs. Hail. Big time agree here as I am sure everyone does. Once he is fired though, I can see Zorn spilling some fowl conversation about Cerrato first, then Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Wouldn't you stay for 5mil? I know I would. For the money and to be spiteful. All Zorn would have to do is spill his guts in a professional manner and Snyder would can him the next day and he'd still get his money by being fired. It would be a win-win for Zorn rather than getting racked over the coals week in and week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 So it would appear RWJ.On the one hand I can appreciate him taking them for all he can; but, on the other, and speaking personally, I would neither give them the satisfaction of eventually firing me, nor would my self respect allow them to publicly humiliate me and my position the way they have. But I guess the mighty dollar rules all with some people, shrugs. Hail. I am sure you principles are solid but my guess is you have never been under contract for $5,000,000. Maybe Zorn is a smart man not to let his ego or pride get in the way of a sum of money that can greatly affect his and his families life in the future. Sitting in our position it is easy to say that you would take your pride and walk but it is human nature not to do so. Furthermore if by chance we do turn this around he will regain his self respect that you figure he lost and be happy knowing he didn't act impulsively or abandon his team and coaching staff. Worse case scenario he is rich. How is that not a good business/ life decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long-Time-Fan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Zorn was great last year when we we 6-2,now that things dropped off every fair weather fan wants to start a new just like we have every other year. Zorn will be fine as long as he gets solid players. I hope we do keep Zorn for 10 years. Only having Moss,Cooley as productive team mates does this team NO good. Throw in I dont practice,I dont play preseason game CP and well you get what we have here today. Everyone cried about our O-line last year but CP finished 4th in the league last year in total rushing. Not bad for a team that had NO O-line. Add/shuffle some guys around and put in Ladell Betts and you get a 114 yard game. This from a crappy O-line While Portis has only 495 yards for the year. The fans we have here are WAAAYYYYYYYYyyyyyy worst than the owner when it comes to a win NOW approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Are we thinking of the same Zorn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long-Time-Fan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Read the post over,it's very clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsManNJ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 All Zorn would have to do is spill his guts in a professional manner and Snyder would can him the next day and he'd still get his money by being fired. It would be a win-win for Zorn rather than getting racked over the coals week in and week out. True. But it seems Zorn might want to coach again maybe not HC but coach nonetheless. If he spills the rusty water who is going to hire him as a coach? If they do he will be looked down upon. Compared to he kept taking it lube free and did the best he could. Which seems better? So its not really a win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I am sure you principles are solid but my guess is you have never been under contract for $5,000,000. Maybe Zorn is a smart man not to let his ego or pride get in the way of a sum of money that can greatly affect his and his families life in the future. Sitting in our position it is easy to say that you would take your pride and walk but it is human nature not to do so. Furthermore if by chance we do turn this around he will regain his self respect that you figure he lost and be happy knowing he didn't act impulsively or abandon his team and coaching staff. Worse case scenario he is rich. How is that not a good business/ life decision? That's a fair point man, and no, I've never been anywhere like a situation where $5 mil. is on the table. All I would say, save for I'd like to think I'd take my pride, is if I were in Zorn's position, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be short of a buck or two to make my decision easier. But your point is valid in so much as it's easier said than done to walk away from that. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Zorn was great last year when we we 6-2,now that things dropped off every fair weather fan wants to start a new just like we have every other year.Zorn will be fine as long as he gets solid players. I hope we do keep Zorn for 10 years. Only having Moss,Cooley as productive team mates does this team NO good. Throw in I dont practice,I dont play preseason game CP and well you get what we have here today. Everyone cried about our O-line last year but CP finished 4th in the league last year in total rushing. Not bad for a team that had NO O-line. Add/shuffle some guys around and put in Ladell Betts and you get a 110 yard game. This from a crappy O-line While Portis has only 495 yards for the year. Yup, I fully agree and it is a reflectiion of FO mismanagement by favoring CP so much. I really dont think Zorn has the ability or power of approval from snyderato to sit him. I think confidence in Zorn was never there and he was always under the shadow of idiots. Its hard to work in those conditions. I think Mike Holmgren would allow him to be himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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