ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 You people that think Todd Collins is better than Jason Campbell are just straight up bad at watching football. You people that think Todd Collins is better than Jason Campbell are just tired of watching bad football. Fixed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 the offense reminds me of the dolphins last night. they can move the ball, slowly but have no big play capabilities at all. Is that a knock on JC or in the case last night the QB? I think so. they are explosive. Neither are the skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 You people that think Todd Collins is better than Jason Campbell are just straight up bad at watching football. Yes, watching all the other games around the NFL and seeing QB's torch defenses for big gains, watching the football sail through the air in a nice tight spiral only to land perfectly in the hands of a WR in stride, and watching QBs throw TD passes INTO the end zone. Man, that's bad at watching football. Bad me, bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Well put and about where I am at. We did see moves/additions in the offseason that gave us hope, not only for a better season but hope that someone had actually had that lightbulb click on over their head. Apparently we were wrong.I think you are absolutely right, we need a systemic makeover from top to bottom with a consistent and cohesive vision of what this team needs to be. Exactly. Again, I don't want that post to come off as overly critical of Cerrato, because I think he's done a good job of selecting some players. I just think he might be better suited to be in a position a rung below where he currently sits. I think he does a good job evaluating players, but I'd like to have someone above him (or in his place) who can map out the cohesive vision (great way of putting it) and organizational plan. I guess we can always hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMBURGER Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 As much as I hate to say it, I think the problem we have is the O-line is just not up to snuff, and has not been since Norv left...I recall Gibbs2 having major problems scoring just like now and I think it is the O-line. I am not sure why Buges line has been so soft but I don't think we have the horses to really compete now.. When we get in a power running situation in the red zone, the o-line gets decimated, just manhandled by the opposition....Portis has nowhere to run. I don't think Zorn's playcalling is the problem, I seen to recall during the first half of last year everyone including the media thought his playcalling was stellar. I put the brunt of our troubles on Buges and his boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just think he might be better suited to be in a position a run below where he currently sits. The same could be said of Zorn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Exactly. Again, I don't want that post to come off as overly critical of Cerrato, because I think he's done a good job of selecting some players. I just think he might be better suited to be in a position a run below where he currently sits. I think he does a good job evaluating players, but I'd like to have someone above him (or in his place) who can map out the cohesive vision (great way of putting it) and organizational plan. I guess we can always hope! Vinny has been in charge since 2008. As I look around the league, I don't see anyone drafting better. I don't think Z has the pieces fitting yet, but I see progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 The same could be said of Zorn... Technically, Zorn got hired to perform the job that is directly below what he currently holds, but I think he has proven unable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 As much as I hate to say it, I think the problem we have is the O-line is just not up to snuff, and has not been since Norv left...I recall Gibbs2 having major problems scoring just like now and I think it is the O-line. I am not sure why Buges line has been so soft but I don't think we have the horses to really compete now.. When we get in a power running situation in the red zone, the o-line gets decimated, just manhandled by the opposition....Portis has nowhere to run. I don't think Zorn's playcalling is the problem, I seen to recall during the first half of last year everyone including the media thought his playcalling was stellar. I put the brunt of our troubles on Buges and his boys. I think the O-Line is a problem for sure. So far they have been decent in pass protection but can't get any kind of push for run blocking especially in the redzone. I still think the play calling sucks, but if that some how improves I think the O-Line will deteriorate as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Vinny has been in charge since 2008. As I look around the league, I don't see anyone drafting better. I don't think Z has the pieces fitting yet, but I see progress. How can this be said when only one player has made a significant contribution, and he was a 7th rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Technically, Zorn got hired to perform the job that is directly below what he currently holds, but I think he has proven unable... True. But perhaps if he didn't have to do all the superfluous crap that a head coach has to do, he could focus on improving his playcalling, as well as work to improve the 28th ranked redzone offense from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Vinny has been in charge since 2008. As I look around the league, I don't see anyone drafting better. I don't think Z has the pieces fitting yet, but I see progress. I understand and if you read my original post about it, I generally agree he's picked players well. I just don't get the feeling (I'd love to be wrong) that we have a long-term plan to rebuild the team and backfill for aging veterans. It seems more of a "hunt and peck" way of acquiring players. Like I said, each individual pick is fine (and sometimes GREAT), but I don't get the sense that he has a long-term vision of where this team will be in 1, 2, or 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Good call in hindsight, Coach. That's right, our offense has improved. From 12.5 ppg in the last eight games last season to 13 ppg this season. Hell, at this rate we might average 20 by mid-century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 True. But perhaps if he didn't have to do all the superfluous crap that a head coach has to do, he could focus on improving his playcalling, as well as work to improve the 28th ranked redzone offense from last year. Personally, one could argue we'd be better off if he focused on the superfluous crap and left the play-calling to Sherman Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 I just don't get the feeling (I'd love to be wrong) that we have a long-term plan to rebuild the team and backfill for aging veterans. It seems more of a "hunt and peck" way of acquiring players. Queue up the BPA responses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Personally, one could argue we'd be better off if he focused on the superfluous crap and left the play-calling to Sherman Smith. Perhaps. But I still think the next adjustment Zorn makes will be his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goskinz0721 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 How can this be said when only one player has made a significant contribution, and he was a 7th rounder? Who, I might add, was found by the west coast scout and not by Cerrato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Queue up the BPA responses... BPA is always subjective, and supposed to be based on what you need/how they fit into your overall scheme. If you don't have an overall scheme you just pick in a vacuum, disparate pieces that don't mesh together and then wonder wtf went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Queue up the BPA responses... Well, I personally don't have a problem with that approach. There still needs to be an overall vision and strategy. I'm talking about player acquisition as a whole, not just the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Well, I personally don't have a problem with that approach. There still needs to be an overall vision and strategy. I'm talking about player acquisition as a whole, not just the draft. And who would have ever thought that 3 pass catchers would be the BPA 3 picks in a row?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLWORLD Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 If you have time to post crapola challenging the opinions of others, I'd suggest you allow time to defend it. No one here gives a damn about your lack of patience. 1st drive, 4 plays 2nd drive, 3 plays 3rd drive, 4 plays 4th drive, 5 plays allow yourself the time to not use your keyboard. edit: crapola was pretty funny btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLWORLD Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Well, I personally don't have a problem with that approach. There still needs to be an overall vision and strategy. I'm talking about player acquisition as a whole, not just the draft. I couldn't agree more, but would add that the coaching be able to use whatever talent drafted be used to the best of the PLAYERS ability in which case I feel we lack. Next year's draft, bpa shouldn't override OL that are on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Well, I personally don't have a problem with that approach. There still needs to be an overall vision and strategy. I'm talking about player acquisition as a whole, not just the draft. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "overall vision." The Walsh WCO is a ball control offense using the short to medium range passes and YAC to accomplish the goal. The receivers drafted in 2008, fit that scheme. Players taken in free agency can be gap fillers based on need (Bellichik has been doing this since 2001), but Dan and Vinny appear to be trying to do more with the acquistions of Dockery, Haynesworth and Hall. My perception is that this wasn't part of a strategic plan, but they just happened to be opportunities that became available to upgrade the team. The same is true of the failed attempt to land Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 1st drive, 4 plays2nd drive, 3 plays 3rd drive, 4 plays 4th drive, 5 plays allow yourself the time to not use your keyboard. edit: crapola was pretty funny btw. You found four drives to start the game. Still, the Skins offense averaged 31 yards per drive to the Giants 29 despite the fact that the Giants put together five clock-eating drives of 8, 8, 10, 10, 12 plays on our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "overall vision." The Walsh WCO is a ball control offense using the short to medium range passes and YAC to accomplish the goal. The receivers drafted in 2008, fit that scheme.Players taken in free agency can be gap fillers based on need (Bellichik has been doing this since 2001), but Dan and Vinny appear to be trying to do more with the acquistions of Dockery, Haynesworth and Hall. My perception is that this wasn't part of a strategic plan, but they just happened to be opportunities that became available to upgrade the team. The same is true of the failed attempt to land Cutler. I guess I'm not doing a good job...my apologies. Again, I admit that this is just my perception and could be totally incorrect, but I don't get the feeling that Vinny really has a plan on how to fill our OL needs, backfill for CP at running back, continue to pursue a franchise QB (maybe), add LB depth, etc. Basically, you see teams who constantly draft OL and DL despite being pretty well-set at those positions. It just seems we go into each off-season and just wait to see what shakes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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