Toe Jam Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The parents are home because they dont work as many hours as American families? :whoknows: Hmmm.. interesting. Although.. if my mom was home more when I was a teen, I'd be crazier than I am now. But that's probably just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The parents are home because they dont work as many hours as American families? :whoknows: How old is this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 How old is this guy? I have no idea, I was referencing the school shootings you were discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 TJ, the media is the media. Their only bias is to make money. They're major corporations not grassroots operations. Once you look at them like that it's pretty easy to figure out why they do what they do. And that's fine. Corporations exist to make money. I'm more interested in why they even have ANY horrible things to report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Jam Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I'm more interested in why they even have ANY horrible things to report. It may seem bad because we live during these times. But think back in history. I don't think there is a time when there wasn't senseless violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have no idea, I was referencing the school shootings you were discussing. Well I was talking about mass shootings in general. Not just those of the school variety. Maybe I didn't make that clear. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 why would any of you hear of this kind of thing in other countries? Unless you listen to their media, and then you would hear of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Well I was talking about mass shootings in general. Not just those of the school variety. Maybe I didn't make that clear. My bad. We dont know the full details yet, but I'm guessing the guy has to be younger. It said he went and killed his grandparents and I think it said he burnt the house down with his mom in it making it look like he still lived with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCitySkins Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 We dont know the full details yet, but I'm guessing the guy has to be younger. It said he went and killed his grandparents and I think it said he burnt the house down with his mom in it making it look like he still lived with her. He was 27 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 It may seem bad because we live during these times.But think back in history. I don't think there is a time when there wasn't senseless violence. Lol, which is what I said. It started with me questioning when it stops being "what's wrong with people THESE DAYS" and starts being the norm. Then I was trying to figure out why it happens here more than in other places and why it seems more random now than it has in the past. So it's late, I got a Middle Ages story to read for my world lit class and I guess I'm ranting incoherently now. That's what I get for thinking "outloud" lol. So yeah I'm gonna go before I do anymore damage. Goodnight you all. And again, RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 He was 27 years old. Well then, there goes my theory. Maybe it still applies to the school shootings though. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 why would any of you hear of this kind of thing in other countries? Unless you listen to their media, and then you would hear of it. Real quick... My wife is from Brazil, my stepmother from Peru. I was born and raised and currently live in perhaps the most diverse area in the country. Then add in globalization/shrinking of the world and the power of the internet. So yes, I would and have heard of it in other countries. And I'm out. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCitySkins Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 We dont know the full details yet, but I'm guessing the guy has to be younger. It said he went and killed his grandparents and I think it said he burnt the house down with his mom in it making it look like he still lived with her. He did still live with his mother according to a Montgomery news station. Probably because he had been laid off at the metals plant. There were 400 people in the plant where he killed himself. I'm glad none of them were hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Jam Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Noticed that he killed a toddler. Who can shoot a kid? What kind of sick mind do you have to have to stare down an innocent child and pull the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Colubmine is the first one I remember because I think it was the first one that really got the media's attention.Now why was that? No way it could have been the fact it occurred in an upscale neighborhood in Colorado. People deny that there is a correlation between class and what the media covers. They are simply WRONG. Suddenly, when it happens in suburbia, or places of higher value, it's a national tragedy. But, if ten people were killed in an inner city school tomorrow, it's just more gang violence and it's not that big of a deal. **** that. Seriously. Why does our society place more value on certain lives than others? I'm not saying what happened at Columbine and VT wasn't wrong. But it would be equally as wrong if it happened somewhere else. It's like the financial issue. It wasn't a big deal until it started happening to people with money. News flash, America: GOOD people who worked their asses off got screwed way before you started to publish the headlines. that's a nice little rant, but you were 12 when columbine happened, which is why it seems like that's when it all started. no, that's just the one you remembered. the 24 hour-up-to-the-minute news coverage was really starting to blow up at that time too, which is a factor. if kids went into ANY public school or college campus and shoots multiple people, it's on the news. your soapboxes are always a good read, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Mass shootings?I think it all started in 1999 really. With Columbine. I could be wrong. I'm sure it happened before that. But that seems to be when it really started. Mass shootings have been happening long before that. One that stands out is the 1984 McDonalds shooting in San Diego when a guy killed 21. Another was the '91 Luby's cafeteria shootings in Texas where 23 people were killed while eating lunch. We have to remember that with 24 cable news and with the internet that we hear about many more incidents than we did before CNN, etc. In the 70's, 80's you would hear it from Walter Cronkite, etc. in the evening and that would be it until the Today Show the next morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberOsaka Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/11/germany.school.shooting/index.html Good thing these things only happen in the US :doh: 10 dead after teen shooting rampage at German school Story Highlights Shootings happened at a junior high school about 9:30 a.m. local time School located in town of Winnenden, close to Stuttgart Police: Exact number of casualties not known Gunman, 17, dressed in military gear reported to be still at large (CNN) -- The former student who shot and killed at least 10 people at a school in Germany has been killed by police, German media reports said, citing police sources. The 17-year-old man dressed in military gear had earlier opened fire at the school in southwest Germany, police said. Several others were wounded in the incident Wednesday morning in the small town of Winnenden, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) northeast of Stuttgart. The exact number of casualties was still not known, police said. The shooting, which lasted about two minutes, happened at the Albertville-Realschule Winnenden school, a junior high school, about 9:30 a.m. About 1,000 students attend the school Map of the area » Authorities sealed the town off and launched an intense manhunt for the gunman. Police described him as about 17 years old, 1.80m (5'11") and is heavily armed. Watch more about the shootings » "It is a small town, an idyllic town," said Frank Nipkau, the editor in chief of local Winnenden Zeitung newspaper. "The town people are devastated and they can't understand why this is happening in this town contd at above link... UPDATE: GUNMAN KILLED BY POLICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Religion of peace.:doh: why say that in this thread?:doh: On topic, I have always attributed the rise in mass violence in this era to Barney, the purple dinosaur. The columbine kids were some of the first of the Barney generation. I just know he must be sending subliminal "Kill everyone" messages in his "I love you, you love me" song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 And were you taught to put words in people's mouths? Where did I say this particular shooting had anything to do with religion? I said religion has caused violence throughout history...I have plenty of history to back my statement up...Hundred Year's War, Holocaust, Irish Protestants vs. Catholics, The Crusades, the current Middle East crisis etc...I'm not saying the fundamentals of the religions are violent, heck I go to church every Sunday but I'm not nieve enough to think religion doesn't cause violence. I mean for God's sake if not for violence and forcing, Christianity wouldn't be in half the places in the world that it is but the Europeans forced people to believe it. It's just another variable for people to fight over, and yes it is common sense. Shhhhh, you're making too much sense. Do a research on the Romans or Zeitgeist on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The focus seemed to be on killing family members,even driving to another town to do so. It will be interesting to find out the motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 There is a lack of "Hope" When the world is falling apart around you and YOU are directly affected. Those that are mentally weak will succumb to the thoughts of ending it now, take out the family and self. Not realizing that the aunts/uncles/nieces/nephews and friends are all hurt from this selfish act. Taking out yourself hurts: Taking others extends the wave of pain. The jobs + the Stock Market + the predictions and the lack of plans and the talk of Future generations Worldwide not being able to recover caused this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Since we are speculating ,I wonder if he was on anti-depressants? Seems to be a common denominator in many mass killings. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=oW3&ei=tbO3SebmDJmQsQPY2sj5AQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=antidepressants%2Bmurders&spell=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKSkinsFan Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Since we are speculating ,I wonder if he was on anti-depressants?Seems to be a common denominator in many mass killings. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=oW3&ei=tbO3SebmDJmQsQPY2sj5AQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=antidepressants%2Bmurders&spell=1 Is it anti-depressants, or the fact that there is mental illness that requires them to be on anti-depressants? That theory just sounds very flawed to try to link a drug as a cause, and not the person's mental health. With that said I do believe anti-depressants are prescribed incorrectly. If the doctor believes you are suffering from depression, a pill is not going to magically fix it. Anti-depressants should ONLY be given to patients who also agree to go to some type of therapy while they adjust to the medication and try to get to the root cause of their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wysknz1 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Aschool shooting happened in Germany too, so it's all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Is it anti-depressants, or the fact that there is mental illness that requires them to be on anti-depressants? That theory just sounds very flawed to try to link a drug as a cause, and not the person's mental health.With that said I do believe anti-depressants are prescribed incorrectly. If the doctor believes you are suffering from depression, a pill is not going to magically fix it. Anti-depressants should ONLY be given to patients who also agree to go to some type of therapy while they adjust to the medication and try to get to the root cause of their problems. The wide spread use of them masks problems that need to be addressed and imo creates as many problems as it solves. I am biased though against purely pharmaceutical behavioral treatment and the reliance drs seem to have on their use now. a example My wife had them prescribed after emergency room visits for chest and shoulder pain:silly: Turns out she had major artery blockages all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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