TheLongshot Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Soooo, it looks as if we are NOT going to draft a LB this year. Last year the depth was at OT but, did we draft one? NOPE.At least we may get a lineman or two this year, but I'm not holding my breath. Actually, we did draft one. Rinehart was an OT in college. We just moved him to guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 because.. Balche's scheme requires more talented LB's then DL's?*shrug* just sayin... I'm so tired of hearing this excuse. How many years have we been saying and trying to force ourselves into believing such crap? This was the mantra under GW and now it Balche. I don't care what scheme you are running, you have to have a D-line that can push the pocket or you are always going to have problems getting to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Along with needs on the interior o-line, outside linebacker is our biggest area of need. I would like to see Vinny address RT with Jordan Gross in Free Agency and if the USC LB is there at 13 take him...he is a playmaker and could add some idenity to our defense....and then DT in the 3rd round...but it's early some players with fall and some will gain momentum by draft day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Similarly - players that we touted as nothing more than 3rd round prospects in January can become 1st rounders come draft day. quote]You are absolutely correct about this but it drives me nuts! How is that a player can have 3 or 4 seasons of history, stats and game film from College and the move up or down so much without even playing a game based soley on workouts and 40 times wearing shorts and track shoes. Falling in love with a guys measurables and forgetting that we are looking for football players not track stars or body builders is how busts happen IMO. Who'll be the next Mike Mamula! I was in Boston for 3 years through 5/95 and recall quite clearly the incredible hype surrounding this guy's 1994 combine performance (he went to B.C.) Yeah, if 3-4 years of game tape doesn't do it, he's not all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I would like to see Vinny address RT with Jordan Gross in Free Agency [ ] Dude, while Snyder's ability to print greenbacks may be unlimited, his ability to shed the resulting enormous contracts is not. We keep getting in trouble because we keep signing top free agents to even topper contracts, and then they don't live up to them. No to Gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STaylorLayintheWOOD Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i think ray will be a very good in the nfl, and would definetly want him.....IF we didnt have all the pressing needs that need to be addressed. great teams build from the inside out, and it is apparent they are our weakest points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 "Last year the depth was at offensive tackle Well its a good thing we took one with one of those three second round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dude, while Snyder's ability to print greenbacks may be unlimited, his ability to shed the resulting enormous contracts is not. We keep getting in trouble because we keep signing top free agents to even topper contracts, and then they don't live up to them. No to Gross. I see your point..but...Gross is what 28 years old...6 years as pro...this would not be a Bruce Smith/Deion Sanders/Jason Taylor signing ie players that were hall of famers for other teams and only came to WAS to collect a paycheck and Gross is an all pro tackle in his prime...and he won't cost as much as Haynesworth, Suggs, or Peppers in FA. For me O Line is our biggest concern...Sign Gross and draft Oline for depth in the latter rounds...and DT and LB early. IMO... Oh yeah we can find all sorts of cash by cutting some of the older dead weight on this team...Marcus Washington, Jason Taylor and even Shawn Springs...they can't stay healthy enough to justify a weekly game check.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well its a good thing we took one with one of those three second round picks Last I checked, no team took a tackle with their 2nd round pick last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I still think we should go OT with our 13th pick if a good one is available, or a DT. We can't keep pretending like the lines are ok, they aren't. I know we are thin at LB as well but I think it would be a better philosophy to work on the lines first, then work your way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkins2006 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Why would the Skins be interested in a player who is dropping? The Draft is a giant over-rated crap shoot hyped for purposes of TV. It makes more sense for Skins to trade No. 1 for a proven veteran. LMAO Vinny when did you make an account on extreme skins? So what your saying is...lets throw away our number 1 pick for an over the hill veteran...yeah..makes sense :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If Vincenzo really was interviewing Clay Matthews, then it makes sense that they are looking to trade down. Matthews is a very solid, if not unspectactular LB that will probably be a late 1st, early 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well its a good thing we took one with one of those three second round picks only 1 OT was taken in the 2nd round, Mike Pollack at 59, one of the last 5 picks in the 2nd round, way after we had used all our 2nd rounders. There was a guard taken earlier, Chilo Rachal, but that was after our Devin Thomas pick but before our other two 2nd rounders. OTs were a hot commodity last season, unfortunately 7 were taken in the first round, and 8 total OL were taken in the 1st round (OG Brandon Albert was the 8th OL) so it wasn't like there was still a a bunch of great OL available in the 2nd round, which is likely why only 2 were taken then. You want to get the best players in there, not just drafting solely by position to fill a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 http://draftguys.blip.tv/#1696892 there ya can see some practise stuff...for the people who missed it. Thanks for the link. Fili Moala, Peria Jerry, and BJ Raji all looked VERY impressive from the clips. Phil Loadholt did as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I still think we should go OT with our 13th pick if a good one is available, or a DT. We can't keep pretending like the lines are ok, they aren't. I know we are thin at LB as well but I think it would be a better philosophy to work on the lines first, then work your way back. We've been doing it ass backwards....so logically I guess we should expect a LB to be taken with our 1st pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 You have to do your due diligence because what we do in teh draft will be dependent on free agency. If we sign a couple of lineman in FA, then I would have no problem going linebacker in Round 1 as long as we go lineman in Rounds 3 and beyond.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoasthog Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Why would the Skins be interested in a player who is dropping? The Draft is a giant over-rated crap shoot hyped for purposes of TV. It makes more sense for Skins to trade No. 1 for a proven veteran. That was true in the George Allen days. Not anymore. Teams need to be built through the draft now with veterans picked up to fill needs. If the Skins trade #13 they need to trade it for more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoasthog Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I feel that LB is the only acceptable position to draft for outside the lines in this draft. I hope Vinny can prove us all wrong and have a spectacular draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Looks like Vinny already has his mancrush for the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 only 1 OT was taken in the 2nd round, Mike Pollack at 59, one of the last 5 picks in the 2nd round, way after we had used all our 2nd rounders. There was a guard taken earlier, Chilo Rachal, but that was after our Devin Thomas pick but before our other two 2nd rounders. OTs were a hot commodity last season, unfortunately 7 were taken in the first round, and 8 total OL were taken in the 1st round (OG Brandon Albert was the 8th OL) so it wasn't like there was still a a bunch of great OL available in the 2nd round, which is likely why only 2 were taken then. You want to get the best players in there, not just drafting solely by position to fill a need. We traded out of our first round pick, where we could have landed an OT like Brown or Baker (or DE like Merling, in which case we'd still have our #2 this year). It's fine to trade back, and grab extra picks, but we chose to do that INSTEAD of repleneshing the severely depleted OL. We can't decline to take OL/DL, trade back, draft 3 pass catchers, and then act like there were no OL/DL available to us. There were damn good ones available, including 2 OTs who are now significant starters for OLs far better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Last I checked, no team took a tackle with their 2nd round pick last year... I have no idea what plane of existence Vincenzo was on last year if he thought the draft was heavy with OT's last year. He has to be mistaking last year for this year. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoles11 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If anyone reads through this board they will at least find these two opinions in high numbers. People that think Vinny is terrible at his job and should have been fired long ago. People that think Jason Campbell has about as much chance of being a good NFL QB as Kobe Bryant has of playing LF for the dodgers. With that being said, is there any overlap? What I mean is, are there any Vinny haters out there that think Colt is going to be the 2nd coming of (insert name of great QB here) If you are a Vinny hater and a Colt lover, how would your opinion of Vinny change if Colt (who Vinny snagged in the 6th rd) did indeed turn out to be as great as you think he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metskins Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 He makes it sound like there is no depth at OL. There's 5 guys that Scout.com has rated as five stars players coming out this year. Somebody is going to be there at 13, most likely. Vinny Cerrato is a complete moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Why would the Skins be interested in a player who is dropping? The Draft is a giant over-rated crap shoot hyped for purposes of TV. It makes more sense for Skins to trade No. 1 for a proven veteran. It's a crap shoot if you don't know how to pick talent. Vinny sucks at picking talent. He claims last year was deep with OT's? Why didn't we get a couple? Instead, Vinny prefers bad knees, bad attitudes and positions where we have no need. And punters. Can you provide a list of all these highly rated players not taken in the draft? Somebody picked them. You have to look at both the long term value and cap impact of a rookie VS FA too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Gibbs Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 You are absolutely correct about this but it drives me nuts! How is that a player can have 3 or 4 seasons of history, stats and game film from College and the move up or down so much without even playing a game based soley on workouts and 40 times wearing shorts and track shoes. Falling in love with a guys measurables and forgetting that we are looking for football players not track stars or body builders is how busts happen IMO. I totally agree that a player's evaluation should be based on actual football performance and not on a week of combine results. Every year players jump way up/down the draft boards based on a week of essentially track and field events. The biggest benefit of the combine IMO is that teams get to scrutinize a players health to check for any possible injury concerns going forward. Unfortunately I think the Skins were the only team who didn't look into Malcolm Kelly's knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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