heyholetsgogrant Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Democratic race over? Clinton doesn't think soBy John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Thu Mar 27, 11:45 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Somebody forgot to tell Hillary Clinton the Democratic presidential race is over and Barack Obama won. Obama has captured more state contests, more votes and more of the pledged convention delegates who will help decide which Democrat faces Republican Sen. John McCain in November's presidential election. But Clinton, a New York senator who has flirted with disaster before in the back-and-forth nominating battle with Obama, shrugs off growing predictions of doom and still sees at least a narrow path to victory. "I hear it in the atmosphere," Clinton said of the increasingly loud chatter about whether she should drop out and let Democrats focus on the general election campaign. "But the most common thing that people say to me ... is 'Don't give up, keep going. We're with you.' And I feel really good about that because that's what I intend to do," she told reporters on Tuesday. Clinton has not been hearing those words of encouragement from a chorus of media commentators and Obama supporters who have questioned why she is pursuing her uphill fight to catch the Illinois senator. The Politico newspaper declared Clinton "has virtually no chance of winning." A New York Times columnist called her campaign "the audacity of hopelessness" -- a pun on Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope." New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Cabinet member for her husband Bill, the former president, said it was time for Democrats to rally around Obama -- and was called a "Judas" by Clinton loyalist James Carville for his views. Clinton and her campaign aides have worked hard to debunk the idea the race is over, holding daily conference calls to tout their viability and issuing a lengthy memo to rebut the "myth" that Clinton cannot win. "In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism," the memo said. But Clinton needs almost everything to go her way in the next few months. She had a setback last week when her push for revotes in Michigan and Florida failed. Her victories there did not count because the contests were not sanctioned by the national party. She also faced an uproar this week over her misstatements about coming under sniper fire on her arrival in Bosnia in 1996. TARGET: SUPERDELEGATES The Clinton case for victory in the Democratic nomination fight is built on the backs of nearly 800 superdelegates -- elected officials and party insiders who are free to support anyone. With 10 nominating contests remaining, Clinton lags Obama by more than 100 in the count of pledged delegates won in the state-by-state voting since January and has little chance of catching Obama. But neither candidate is on track to win the 2,024 delegates needed to clinch the nomination -- making superdelegates the ultimate kingmakers. Both camps have wooed them heavily, with Obama contending they should follow the will of Democratic voters. By the last nominating contests on June 3 in Montana and South Dakota, Obama says, he will have won the most votes and delegates. Author: By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Source: Rueters Full Article Click Here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080327/pl_nm/usa_politics_campaign_dc;_ylt=AuWG6fLNg1THtSJ98ekO0yWs0NUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It's not over til "She" says it's over.... Turn those machines back on...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I think they are positioning themselves to take full advantage of a victory in Pennsylvania should they win it by a sizable margin. They would be very good at capitalizing on a margin that, if projected to remaining states, would put them close to Obama in delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyholetsgogrant Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Do you guys think she will go as far as to make a independent run? -Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Do you guys think she will go as far as to make a independent run?-Grant That would be the end of the democratic party as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Do you guys think she will go as far as to make a independent run?-Grant I think she would be successfull at that, maybe netting perot numbers or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 If you work for Hillary you could tell her it's over if you want to lose your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 That would be the end of the democratic party as we know it. nah, the party would survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Do you guys think she will go as far as to make a independent run?-Grant I was thinking that just as I read your post. It would be Ralph Nader, Part Deux if she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 If you work for Hillary you could tell her it's over if you want to lose your job. That's a good point. Hillary dropping out = all her people losing jobs. Perhaps her campaign staff is actually forcing her to keep running... Maybe she is still running so that she can take money from the lobbyists and give it to hardworking Americans in her campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I think they are positioning themselves to take full advantage of a victory in Pennsylvania should they win it by a sizable margin. They would be very good at capitalizing on a margin that, if projected to remaining states, would put them close to Obama in delegates. Right now she's polling ahead in PA by about 16 points. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my rudimentary maths says she gains about 30 delegates with that margin. That's not enough to make that much of a difference. Not unless she upsets Obama in NC (where he's currently ahead in the polls) and really starts to roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Right now she's polling ahead in PA by about 16 points. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my rudimentary maths says she gains about 30 delegates with that margin.That's not enough to make that much of a difference. Not unless she upsets Obama in NC (where he's currently ahead in the polls) and really starts to roll. The latest polls have her lead down to 10, but the polls are all over the place. She is going to win PA, the question is will it be by 10, or by 20. Poll I can't see her winning in NC, not with the heavy black population that will be voting in the primary. She will win PA, lose NC and Oregon. And it will be over then. She needs to sweep those 3 to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It's not over til "She" says it's over....Turn those machines back on...... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 The number to watch is Superdelegates. If every poll stays where it is, she needs 72% of unpledged Superdelegates. I really cant fgure out what shes waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Do you guys think she will go as far as to make a independent run?-Grant I don't know, that would be the height of desperation to me. That she just wants the power and she'll run as a National Socialist if it means she will win. I don't know. I guess I just don't like the *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 "the audacity of hopelessness" Ouch. Now that's gotta sting. :laugh: Hillary's position is untenable. Sure she can hang on and hope the superdelegates give her the win. However, such a victory would be a pyrrhic one at best. Even if she somehow manages to pull that off, Black voters will almost undoubtedly be pissed and stay away in droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 if the last name wasn't Clinton, every democrat in america would be telling her its time to close up shop Superdelegates could end this tomorrow if enough of them held a press conference and said we are pledging our votes for Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It's not over til "She" says it's over....Turn those machines back on...... Great Reference there Mortimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Ouch. Now that's gotta sting. :laugh: Hillary's position is untenable. Sure she can hang on and hope the superdelegates give her the win. However, such a victory would be a pyrrhic one at best. Even if she somehow manages to pull that off, Black voters will almost undoubtedly be pissed and stay away in droves. It wouldn't be just black voters... The problem is, a lot of the stuff she and her campaign is doing is starting to piss off the base, who want a united party against the Republicans. I mean, the goal of the Dems is to keep the GOP out of the head office, right? How does Hillary's actions work toward that goal? How much of it is self-serving and doing damage to the Dems reputation? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Like Hillary cares what people think who do not have a liplock on her butt? Bill would still be boffing any woman he could in an Arkansas double wide if it were not for her (and happy). She has always been the manipulative, greedy, immoral driver of the bus, and anyone who gets in her way is going underneath all the wheels, even if she has to swerve, circle back or back-up. If people are dumb enough to elect her to POTUS, we truly will get the just deserts that we have been baking up for ourselves since Carter was ousted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Great Reference there Mortimer thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Hillary knows that this is really her last shot at the Presidency...because if she loses now...will anyone want to put up with the crap she is putting the Democrats trhough again? Especially if Obama wins the election...I seriously believe that the big-wigs will step in to have this thing settled before the convention...that is they see this thing getting much worse Gore, Pelosi, (and after he sees everyone else doing it) Dean & Reid will support Obama for the sake of the party. If John Edwards supports Obama then it will be a major hit for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I think she is hoping for a miracle. Something gets dug up on Obama that is so bad that he pulls a Spitzer and drops out of the race. Other than that, I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 She is trying to pull the "Tonya Harding" and it is just make her look bad...most people are starting to not buy into it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 if the last name wasn't Clinton, every democrat in america would be telling her its time to close up shopSuperdelegates could end this tomorrow if enough of them held a press conference and said we are pledging our votes for Obama Why would they do that when they can continue to ride the fence and see what they themselves can get out of each canidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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