Helter_Skelter Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Lately, I have been studying politics and the different ideologies that come with the subject before I go to college in the fall, and have not bothered much with religion. I'm not really a religious person, and I don't know much about any religion besides Islam (read alot about Islam to get a better understanding of the middle east and current events). So I decided a couple days ago to take a break from that and learn a little about Jesus. I read about the story of Jesus' life and all the usual things that come with it. Then I come across the story of Horus, an ancient Egyptian God. I'll let the tables at this link show the similiarities:www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm Is it possible that the story of Jesus is just a different version of the story of Horus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Is it possible that the story of Jesus is just a different version of the story of Horus? If you do a bit more study about the history of religion you'll find many, many parallels between the various mythologies. Elements of the story of Jesus as we understand it today can also be found in numerous other religions, many predating Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 These two posters, and their handles, makes a huge statement on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta613 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 These two posters, and their handles, makes a huge statement on this topic. How do you figure?? I mean the stories are damn near identical and the fact that Horus story predates Jesus by 2000 years that makes it a fairly logical topic to discuss imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 How do you figure??I mean the stories are damn near identical and the fact that Horus story predates Jesus by 2000 years that makes it a fairly logical topic to discuss imo Think he was referncing the OP's and my own board names. Helter Skelter Enter Apotheosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhenry Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah, the story of Jesus is not near as unique as Christians would like to beleive. His story is mirrored in countless other faiths, and texts as noted above. I personally believe that higher beings similiar to Jesus & Buddha have indeed incarnated, but I can't believe the Bibles version of events(nor any religious text, since I believe that these texts were edited by men with agendas at play) given the correlation with other texts. There so much more to life than we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah, the story of Jesus is not near as unique as Christians would like to beleive. His story is mirrored in countless other faiths, and texts as noted above. I personally believe that higher beings similiar to Jesus & Buddha have indeed incarnated, but I can't believe the Bibles version of events(nor any religious text, since I believe that these texts were edited by men with agendas at play) given the correlation with other texts. There so much more to life than we know. I still remember when you were straight and a Jesus troll. Enlightenment must have been a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 And Kennedy was just a cheap knockoff of the Lincoln myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah the similarities are astounding. but some of the similarities can be explained by mis-translations, mis-interpretations, and a manipulation of a tale to make one religion more palatable. You look into it, and the births of Horus and Jesus being dec. 25th may not be accurate. Jesus was probably born at a different time. Some actually say closer to Springtime. But because the story has been passed around so many times before it was written, we'll never know. And yes, all religions are basically the same. You can make comparisons and similarities to almost all of em. You can even make a case of Christianity (1 God) to Roman/Greek mythology (several Gods). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter_Skelter Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah the similarities are astounding. but some of the similarities can be explained by mis-translations, mis-interpretations, and a manipulation of a tale to make one religion more palatable. You look into it, and the births of Horus and Jesus being dec. 25th may not be accurate. Jesus was probably born at a different time. Some actually say closer to Springtime. But because the story has been passed around so many times before it was written, we'll never know.And yes, all religions are basically the same. You can make comparisons and similarities to almost all of em. You can even make a case of Christianity (1 God) to Roman/Greek mythology (several Gods). Yeah his birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, but I think his real birthday is in October. I may be wrong about that though. Somebody will correct me, Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 This makes it very hard to legitimize Christianity IMO. Christianity has begged, barrowed and stolen from so many other religions that I find it amazing people believe any of it. Amen-RA:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah his birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, but I think his real birthday is in October. I may be wrong about that though. Somebody will correct me, Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah his birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, but I think his real birthday is in October. I may be wrong about that though. Somebody will correct me, Im sure You are right... Jesus Birthday was placed in december to compete with a bigger pagan holiday. The same for pretty much all of the major Christian holidays X-mas - Winter Solstice/Mithra Valentines Day - Lupercalia festival Halloween - Samhain Even the practices on these holidays mirror the original pagan holidays. It is really hard for anyone to come up with anything original to Christianity if even Jesus came from somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah his birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, but I think his real birthday is in October. I may be wrong about that though. Somebody will correct me, Im sure The Emperor Justinian moved the date to Dec. 25 in the 4th century to coincide with the birthdate of Mithras and (erroneously) what was believed to be the winter solstice. Early Christians celebrated his birth on April 20th (I think that was the date), and many believers correctly accused Justinian of selling out to pagans to make the religion more palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The Emperor Justinian moved the date to Dec. 25 in the 4th century to coincide with the birthdate of Mithras and (erroneously) what was believed to be the winter solstice. Early Christians celebrated his birth on April 20th (I think that was the date), and many believers correctly accused Justinian of selling out to pagans to make the religion more palatable. I thought it was Constantine who moved the date, as well as having the Bible as we know it compiled and whatnot. However, your post is correct, but there was also another reason. The Empire was already showing weakness, and Mithras was a very popular figure/religion at the time, including among soldiers. So he wanted to gain the soldiers support as well by selling out to the pagans. To Helter Skelter, look up the story of Mithras to find a lot of the same elements as well. Zoraster in general just has many of the same elements as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Constantine was responsible for the Bible and the concept of the Trinity as laid out in the Nicene creed, but Justinian is the one who moved the date. I agree Jesus probably has more in common with Mithras than with Horus. Likewise, compare Noah with the Epic of Gilgamesh, or the story of Moses' birth with the legend of Sargon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 You are right...Jesus Birthday was placed in december to compete with a bigger pagan holiday. The same for pretty much all of the major Christian holidays X-mas - Winter Solstice/Mithra Sorry friend, but you are wrong. The pagan holiday was Saturnalia. And Christian leaders in the Western Roman Empire decided to celebrate the Christ Mass on the 25th because all of the Christian citizens of Rome were already off of work for the national holiday. Valentines Day - Lupercalia festivalHalloween - Samhain Even the practices on these holidays mirror the original pagan holidays. It is really hard for anyone to come up with anything original to Christianity if even Jesus came from somewhere else. I don't know about Valentines (never researched it) but Halloween is not Christian. Its pagan. Now, the day after is a Roman Catholic holiday called All Saints Day.And Samhain is the Autumnal Equinox I believe, not Halloween. I thought it was Constantine who moved the date, as well as having the Bible as we know it compiled and whatnot. However, your post is correct, but there was also another reason. How many times does this stuff have to be refuted. Constantine DID NOT write the bible. He called the Council of Bishops together and they formally affirmed what was already accepted and common knowledge about the Scriptures. The Empire was already showing weakness, and Mithras was a very popular figure/religion at the time, including among soldiers. So he wanted to gain the soldiers support as well by selling out to the pagans.See above about Saturnalia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 And yes, all religions are basically the same. You can make comparisons and similarities to almost all of em. You can even make a case of Christianity (1 God) to Roman/Greek mythology (several Gods). Christianity is based an act that occurred which is the resurrection. All other religions are based on a prophet's writings. This is what makes Christianity so different. Christ fulfilled every Old Testament prophecy which were prophesied hundreds of years prior to his birth. The odds of any one man completing all of these prophesies is over 1,000,000,000,000:1. You decide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Christianity is based an act that occurred which is the resurrection. All other religions are based on a prophet's writings. This is what makes Christianity so different. Christ fulfilled every Old Testament prophecy which were prophesied hundreds of years prior to his birth. The odds of any one man completing all of these prophesies is over 1,000,000,000,000:1. You decide!The argument from prophetic fulfillment is not a very effective one. Especially considering that most people these days don't accept the OT prophecies as inspired. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 This makes it very hard to legitimize Christianity IMO.Christianity has begged, barrowed and stolen from so many other religions that I find it amazing people believe any of it. Amen-RA:laugh: Key word being: "IMO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Techboy is going to have a field day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah his birthday is celebrated on the 25th of December, but I think his real birthday is in October. I may be wrong about that though. Somebody will correct me, Im sure It wasn't in October. As someone else posted I believe, it was in April.The Gospel birth narrative of Luke says "And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night." It is hard to imagine that shepherds would have had their flocks out "in the fields" in the dead of winter in Palestine. During the winter the sheep would have been penned up, not to mention the shepherds would have been freezing their derriers off as well.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Key word being: "IMO" What can Christianity claim that was morphed from something else older? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Sorry friend, but you are wrong. The pagan holiday was Saturnalia. And Christian leaders in the Western Roman Empire decided to celebrate the Christ Mass on the 25th because all of the Christian citizens of Rome were already off of work for the national holiday. Proof please....from a credible (non-biased) source I don't know about Valentines (never researched it) but Halloween is not Christian. Its pagan. Now, the day after is a Roman Catholic holiday called All Saints Day. Link And Samhain is the Autumnal Equinox I believe, not Halloween. The point being Christianity is claiming more stuff that is not theirs. Link By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas. How many times does this stuff have to be refuted. Constantine DID NOT write the bible. He called the Council of Bishops together and they formally affirmed what was already accepted and common knowledge about the Scriptures. See above about Saturnalia. Just because you refute something does not make your argument true. Infact I would say the evidence is still heavy against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 What can Christianity claim that was morphed from something else older?"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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