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Prediction Thread - How much longer will Ron Paul last in the 2008 election?

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Koolblue13

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Dude. I'm sorry but there are too many to list. And BTW you aren't even listing them correctly. I have heard Paul say he's not interested in a flat tax. He wants no income tax of any kind. And that's just for starters. You should at least learn what your loon is saying before asking me what I disagree with. :doh:
Everything on that list is from his site. You have no idea what he is about. If you are going to continue to insult the man and his supporters, at least learn something about his platform. Copy my list and tell me what you have a problem with or STFU.
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Koolblue13

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Dude. I'm sorry but there are too many to list. And BTW you aren't even listing them correctly. I have heard Paul say he's not interested in a flat tax. He wants no income tax of any kind. And that's just for starters. You should at least learn what your loon is saying before asking me what I disagree with. :doh:
Like how you say he wouldn't attack terrorists, despite him voting to go after OBL in Afganistan and still wants to. Come on Mike, don't be afraid of all those issues.
And yet, he couldn't even manage a measly 10% of the military vote,according to the primary exit polls. :laugh:

Truman, I would love to know which of these thing you have the largest problems with.

I meen the two of you seem to find Paul completely crazy and call him out, every chance you get. One of you has to be able to actually answer this simple post, right?

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Everything on that list is from his site. You have no idea what he is about. If you are going to continue to insult the man and his supporters, at least learn something about his platform. Copy my list and tell me what you have a problem with or STFU.

Not to argue, but he did say on Meet The Press (I'm pretty sure that was it), fairly recently that he wanted to do away with the individual income tax. The interviewer (I believe Mathews- hence meet the press) clearly expected him to say it would be replaced by something like a flat tax asked pretty directly something close to 'You'd replace it with a falt tax?'.

Paul's response was clear. It was No and that it should be replaced with nothing. Now, I've seen other places where he's been quoted as saying because of Congress he wouldn't be able to do that right away as President.

I'm not sure what his web page says on the issue, but the Meet the Press interview was pretty clear to me. If Paul had the authority, he'd get rid of the income tax ASAP and not replace it.

Huckabee has actually released alot of details on his plan for a flat tax. To you knowledge, has Paul done anything similar?

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Like how you say he wouldn't attack terrorists, despite him voting to go after OBL in Afganistan and still wants to. Come on Mike, don't be afraid of all those issues.

Truman, I would love to know which of these thing you have the largest problems with.

I meen the two of you seem to find Paul completely crazy and call him out, every chance you get. One of you has to be able to actually answer this simple post, right?

Just scared of personal responsiblity. Truman is a neo-lib. Of course he wouldn't support Paul. Paul isn't socialist enough for him.

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Not to argue, but he did say on Meet The Press (I'm pretty sure that was it), fairly recently that he wanted to do away with the individual income tax. The interviewer (I believe Mathews- hence meet the press) clearly expected him to say it would be replaced by something like a flat tax asked pretty directly something close to 'You'd replace it with a falt tax?'.

Paul's response was clear. It was No and that it should be replaced with nothing. Now, I've seen other places where he's been quoted as saying because of Congress he wouldn't be able to do that right away as President.

I'm not sure what his web page says on the issue, but the Meet the Press interview was pretty clear to me. If Paul had the authority, he'd get rid of the income tax ASAP and not replace it.

Huckabee has actually released alot of details on his plan for a flat tax. To you knowledge, has Paul done anything similar?

Pete, we've been over this. You just don't agree because you won't accept the change. No income tax is correct. However, that also means a much smaller government. As for the debt, that comes with prosperity.

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Everything on that list is from his site. You have no idea what he is about. If you are going to continue to insult the man and his supporters, at least learn something about his platform. Copy my list and tell me what you have a problem with or STFU.

Oh really? Can you possibly be that stupid? You dont even know your own candidate and you are telling ME to STFU? :laugh:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/

Click the play button at the top of the screen to hear him say "I'm not interested in a flat tax."

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Like how you say he wouldn't attack terrorists, despite him voting to go after OBL in Afganistan and still wants to. Come on Mike, don't be afraid of all those issues.

Please show me where I ever said that. DAMN, you live in a fantasy world. :doh:

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Koolblue13

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Not to argue, but he did say on Meet The Press (I'm pretty sure that was it), fairly recently that he wanted to do away with the individual income tax. The interviewer (I believe Mathews- hence meet the press) clearly expected him to say it would be replaced by something like a flat tax asked pretty directly something close to 'You'd replace it with a falt tax?'.

Paul's response was clear. It was No and that it should be replaced with nothing. Now, I've seen other places where he's been quoted as saying because of Congress he wouldn't be able to do that right away as President.

I'm not sure what his web page says on the issue, but the Meet the Press interview was pretty clear to me. If Paul had the authority, he'd get rid of the income tax ASAP and not replace it.

Huckabee has actually released alot of details on his plan for a flat tax. To you knowledge, has Paul done anything similar?

I can't find anything on that for you right now Pete, but from what I understand. He had originally been for cutting the FIT and replacing it with the flat tax until spending was down, but he has backed off of that. His stance is, by reducing the federal spending, it will decrease the need for the FIT. He in no way, thinks it will be an over night thing, but will take time.

I don't think he is saying that he will come in and cut out the IRS and FIT and force the fed to stop spending, he will cut fed institutions, until the tax is no longer needed.

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Truman, I would love to know which of these thing you have the largest problems with.

I meen the two of you seem to find Paul completely crazy and call him out, every chance you get. One of you has to be able to actually answer this simple post, right?

You can find many of my arguments against Paul and his stances in the 2 threads below. There's a lot of good debate from Peter and Mike too.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...hlight=ron+paul

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...ad.php?t=233877

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Koolblue13

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You can find many of my arguments against Paul and his stances in the 2 threads below. There's a lot of good debate from Peter and Mike too.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...hlight=ron+paul

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/...ad.php?t=233877

I just figured if I presented you with a simple list, you would be able to easily point out all of Pauls crazy ideas to me, so I could see how much of a loon he is. I'm trying to help you out Truman.

I've read and discussed with Pete several times about this and know why he feels the way he does, same with a few other of our more well written members.

I created a check list of Pauls stances (which I editted out the flat tax incorrection) so you could show me the light.

Or would you like me to list the things that make me feel that he is an honorable man, fit to be our leader and restore trust to the Fed. Then we can play that game with the other canidates and see how they match up.

I don't know why it's so hard for you two.

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Koolblue13

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Look guys, i'll start with my feelings first.

Lowered gov't spending.-X

Economy less dependent on China and SA.-X

Not printing more money without backing.-X

Removing the income tax/16th amendment.-X

Not taxing savings-X

Not taxing investments-X

Reducing forign economic commitments-X

Cutting taxes for for working seniors-X

Making medical expenses tax deductable-X

Allowing doctors to negotiate costs with insurance companies-X

Making HSAs avalible to everybody-X

Cutting the inflation tax-X

Not giving visas to people from countries who support terrorists-X

Going after OBL (which he voted FOR) in Afganistan-X

Allowing armed guards on flights-X

Using our defensive spending on defense-X

No Amnesty for illegals-X

Enforce visa rules, by removing anyone who oversatys them-X

No welfare for illegals-X

Ending birthright citizenships-O

Not having a national ID card-X

Requiring search warrents-X

Not allowing domestic wire taps, without judicial oversight-X

Not allowing medical companies to share your personal info-X

Tax cuts to companies that hire Vets-X

Giving the military a raise-O

Increasing health care to vets-X

Reforming the VA-X

Ending the requirment of vets, to give up retirement benis for disability pay-X

Tax credits to solar and wind energy-X

Reducing subsidies and repeal regulations on Nuclear energy-X

Using property rights, to reduce pollution-Mixed

Keeping your guns-X

I did an X for what I like and O for what I didn't. It's easy. It's like tic tac toe.

Come on you two, play along.

Again, I have discussed this with people who express thier opinions with good information. Pete on FA and the Envo, Blitz on Eco and so forth. You two just seem to want to insult. There is my problem.

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Mike, which of Pauls issues do you have a problem with? Feel free to copy and paste the issues and check what you don't like or feel are crazy. Thanks.

Lowered gov't spending.-X (X is like, right?)

Economy less dependent on China and SA.X (but how do you do it)

Not printing more money without backing. X (but our money is backed by the promise of the federal goverment)

Removing the income tax/16th amendment. X (but in a revenue neutral manner)

Not taxing savings X

Not taxing investments X

Reducing forign economic commitments X (he's not for reducing them, he's for elminating them)

Cutting taxes for for working seniors O (SS is going bankrupt fast enough if it was done, it would have to be revenue neutral. From a bueracrcy stand point, it makes sense, but I think he is pushing this in terms of putting more money in their pocket)

Making medical expenses tax deductable O

Allowing doctors to negotiate costs with insurance companies X (they can't now? They certainly can refuse to take the insurance. Isn't that in of to itself negotiating?)

Making HSAs avalible to everybody X (anything to get people to save more)

Cutting the inflation tax X (how does he propose to do this?)

Not giving visas to people from countries who support terrorists X (but how do you define that. McVeigh was a terrorist so was Randolph? Should other countries not allow Americans in?)

Going after OBL (which he voted FOR) in Afganistan X

Allowing armed guards on flights O

Using our defensive spending on defense X (but my defintion of defense is different than his. A good offense is the best defense).

No Amnesty for illegals X

Enforce visa rules, by removing anyone who oversatys them X (this needs to be done ASAP. Essentially every foreign terrorist attack here people on expired visas have played an important role).

No welfare for illegals X

Ending birthright citizenships O

Not having a national ID card O

Requiring search warrents X

Not allowing domestic wire taps, without judicial oversight X

Not allowing medical companies to share your personal info O (IF a patient wants to allow the information to be shared, they should have that right)

Tax cuts to companies that hire Vets O

Giving the military a raise X

Increasing health care to vets X (health care realted to issues that are the result of their service).

Reforming the VA X

Ending the requirment of vets, to give up retirement benis for disability pay (don't know enough to comment)

Tax credits to solar and wind energy X (already being done though)

Reducing subsidies and repeal regulations on Nuclear energy O

Using property rights, to reduce pollution X (but it isn't enough. Property rights are in place. It doesn't deal w/ issues where identifying the actual pollutant isn't a trivial issue).

Keeping your guns X (you can keep the guns, but I'm taking the bullets)

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Economy less dependent on China and SA.X (but how do you do it)

Not printing more money without backing. X (but our money is backed by the promise of the federal goverment) This has been explained to me several times. I do understand the flaws or my nieveity towards the effect of a gold standard or a competitive currancy. I feel a need for something more than the promise of the gov't to back the bankers, who control the creation of our dollars.

Removing the income tax/16th amendment. X (but in a revenue neutral manner)

Drastically cut federal spending, get our budget back on track and hopefully eliminate the need for the income tax.

Reducing forign economic commitments X (he's not for reducing them, he's for elminating them)As am I. Giving 20 mil to Afganistan while they produce poppy, instead of food or billions to SA or Isreal to buy wepons doesn't seem like where I want my taxes going. We could give every American health care for that kind of money or let the people keep it and decide to give it themselves, like they already do. We are a generous nation who send our dollars around the world already. I trust your judgement, more than the Feds, as to who needs it more.

Cutting taxes for for working seniors O (SS is going bankrupt fast enough if it was done, it would have to be revenue neutral. From a bueracrcy stand point, it makes sense, but I think he is pushing this in terms of putting more money in their pocket)

He is. Personally, i'de like to see the SS age raised a few years, be untaxed and make it a little easier for the elderly to get by.

Making medical expenses tax deductable O

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=663

Allowing doctors to negotiate costs with insurance companies X (they can't now? They certainly can refuse to take the insurance. Isn't that in of to itself negotiating?)Yes and no. I will admit to not having the greatest understanding of how our med bills are so high, but I am fairly certain it's because of beuracracy. Side note, I thought Richardson had the best HC plan.

Making HSAs avalible to everybody X (anything to get people to save more)

Cutting the inflation tax X (how does he propose to do this?)

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/Prosperity/ There are good links to his plan on this page.

Not giving visas to people from countries who support terrorists X (but how do you define that. McVeigh was a terrorist so was Randolph? Should other countries not allow Americans in?)Fair point. I look at it in a similar light that I look at imigration. If we allow the all the "good" people to come here, who will fix thier country before it becomes another financial burden or enemy of ours. I think this would put more presure on the individuals of forign countries, to be more involved in fixing their own backyard.

I could go either way on this, as I know my view is a little extreme.

Going after OBL (which he voted FOR) in Afganistan X

Allowing armed guards on flights O I can see both sides.

Using our defensive spending on defense X (but my defintion of defense is different than his. A good offense is the best defense).

He doesn't dismiss the need for a good offense though, I think that point gets missed. He wasn't completely opposed to the war in Iraq, just wasn't convinced of the intel and didn't care for the way we went about it.

No Amnesty for illegals X

Enforce visa rules, by removing anyone who oversatys them X (this needs to be done ASAP. Essentially every foreign terrorist attack here people on expired visas have played an important role).

No welfare for illegals X

Ending birthright citizenships O

Not having a national ID card O agan, I can see both sides of this one and it's a discussion I don't have the time for today.:)

Requiring search warrents X

Not allowing domestic wire taps, without judicial oversight X

Not allowing medical companies to share your personal info O (IF a patient wants to allow the information to be shared, they should have that right) Alright, that's fair, just so long as you are always able to remove your name form this list and maintain your own privacy.

Tax cuts to companies that hire Vets O I like this one a lot.

Giving the military a raise X

Increasing health care to vets X (health care realted to issues that are the result of their service).Agreed

Reforming the VA X

Ending the requirment of vets, to give up retirement benis for disability pay (don't know enough to comment)

Copied from his site

One of the most shameful ways our veterans are mistreated is in the area of concurrent receipt benefits. Existing federal rules force disabled veterans to give up their military retirement pay in order to receive VA disability benefits. Every VA disability dollar paid to a veteran is deducted from his retirement pay, effectively creating a “disabled veterans tax”. No other group of federal employees is subject to this unfair standard; in every other case, disability pay is viewed as distinct from standard retirement pay.

Tax credits to solar and wind energy X (already being done though)Not enough

Reducing subsidies and repeal regulations on Nuclear energy O

Using property rights, to reduce pollution X (but it isn't enough. Property rights are in place. It doesn't deal w/ issues where identifying the actual pollutant isn't a trivial issue). True, but i'm a bit of an envo nut.

Keeping your guns X (you can keep the guns, but I'm taking the bullets)

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SnyderShrugged

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Here is the million dollar question...........When will Ron Paul Supporters admit that he's done? What actually needs to happen to put this guy to bed?

He will stay in the GOP Nom race until the majority of actual (this is an important distinction, btw) Delegates are for someone else officially.

What many dont realize that much of the delegate figures that are reported via the old media, are not real yet. They are estimates based on caucus straw poll finishes.

Currently, I think I've read that Mccain has roughly 8% of solid delegates, despite his perceived lead.

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Koolblue13

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Once the LSD wears off.
There ya go. Back to the insults. Why can't you go answer my questions. Peter did and look how well that worked out and he probably like Paul less than anybody (except maybe Blitz). Yet, a rational conversation happened, without insults. I'de do it for your canidate. I flat out hate Clinton (almost as much as Rudy), but I don't start ragging on her every chance I get.

Or are you only capable of insults and the jokes of a ten year old?

I have to go to work in a bit, but I promiss to answer back, any questions you might have about things, as soon as I can.

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