Redknight13 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wow freakin' unbelieveable! It's truly maddening that we hear the same story from two years ago and it still rings true today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I think the only problem i see with campbell being a young starting Qb is that he intends to go to Cooley and moss instead of spreading it out. Like the 2 INts he threw in the tb and dallas game that cost us, he tried to force it to santana moss in double coverage to a small WR. campbell needs to hit the open WR, once he starts doing that, hes gonna be a really scary Qb JC is no longer a "young starting QB." He has been in the league for 5 years, 4 of them as a starter. Giving him a pass as a 1st, 2nd and even 3rd year player was acceptable. If he hasn't learned how to find other options yet, it isn't likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operations Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Two years from now."Gruden just needs to unleash JC." "Give him time. It's only his second year in Gruden's system." "The line is terrible. No one could score 20 points a game behind it." "I can't believe Vinny missed on another receiver. What are the odds?" "He's still young. Barely 30." That is my worst nightmare! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prufRock Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 JC is no longer a "young starting QB." He has been in the league for 5 years, 4 of them as a starter. Giving him a pass as a 1st, 2nd and even 3rd year player was acceptable. If he hasn't learned how to find other options yet, it isn't likely to happen. Agree... From Steinberg's blog a few weeks ago. The number of starts each starter in the league has had (as of two weeks ago) and where Campbell ranks. He's right in the middle of the league. I don't think he can be considered an inexperienced quarterback any more. 1. Brett Favre 273 2. Peyton Manning 180 3. Kerry Collins 168 4. Tom Brady 115 5. Drew Brees 110 6. Kurt Warner 104 7. Marc Bulger 90 8. Jake Delhomme 84 9t. Eli Manning 75 9t. Ben Roethlisberger 75 11. Carson Palmer 69 12. Philip Rivers 52 13. David Garrard 50 14. Tony Romo sits to pee 43 15. Jay Cutler 41 16. Jason Campbell 40 17. Kyle Orton 37 18t. Derek Anderson 28 18t. Matt Schaub 28 20. Trent Edwards 27 21t. Joe Flacco 20 21t. Aaron Rodgers 20 21t. JaMarcus Russell 20 24. Matt Ryan 19 25. Matt Cassell 18 26. Shaun Hill 14 27t. Seneca Wallace 14 27t. Mark Sanchez 4 29. Matthew Stafford 4 30. Kevin Kolb 2 31t. Chad Henne 1 31t. Josh Johnson 1 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/teammates_want_campbell_to_unl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 You have to be kidding me. Look at the times they have let him loose and let him call his own plays, etc. Those have been the times he has moved the ball very well, spread it out and looked comfortable. Do you really think Gibbs or whoever calls the 4th down plays says to him "just do whatever"? I doubt it. If you're talking about the one specific draw play that was criticized he did the draw based on what coverage the defense was showing. I'm 50/50 on that play. It would have been a very good call on 2nd down given the coverage but on 3rd they could have tried for the pass anyway. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. And how do you know how many passes out of shotgun could have been draws? You make it seem like every time he is in shotgun he calls a draw play or whenever he has the authority to call the plays he just hands it off when it is actually the opposite. Yes he has tried to force plays and thrown untimely INTs but pretty much every young QB goes through that learning process. The play calling was apparently holding him back. Just look at his numbers in trash time when he was "let loose". But things must be different now: Dunno, he didn't look like a scared rookie when he was running the no huddle and driving the team down the field. Maybe we should just take Zorn out of the equation. He can sit on the sidelines and look at his playsheet and act medium. It was Gibbs, now Zorn. While this is true, remember that there were quite a few passes at the end of the 1st half and near the end of the game that were hurry up from the gun. I think what we need is using shotgun more in regular playcalling during normal gametime. Pretty much every QB will go no huddle shotgun in a hurry up offense. He is so good in shotgun in trash time, let's do it all the time. Deja vu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I love how ItalianStallion and Darrelgreenie still jump in without shame. So, NewCliche21 isn't a Jason defender but here he is two years ago with the same garbage AND he's been proven wrong in that time (because we went to the playoffs clearly with that line and won four in a row and did pretty well on offense.) Revenge is a dish best served cold. Some people seemed POd that Collins did well, rather than happy the Skins won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Revenge is a dish best served cold. Some people seemed POd that Collins did well, rather than happy the Skins won. This thread is after the Bears game. The hate gets pretty loud as the winning continues, but there is no point in over feeding them in one day. There is plenty of material cooling in the fridge. Someone won't think they are too "sizzling" soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How many threads do we need to have bash Jason Campbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How many threads do we need to have bash Jason Campbell? This isn't a new thread. It's about holding people accountable for their illegitimate opinions that are already getting to be three seasons aged and showing why they might be wrong now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor4Life Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How many threads do we need to have bash Jason Campbell? :secret: Psst... Check the date of the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How many threads do we need to have bash Jason Campbell? This one is worth it. I don't think it's even a bash of Campbell, more an eye-opener on the Campbell supporters. I'll always support Jason, because he wears a Redskins Uni. But do I think he can get it done? No. You can't tell me you watch other QBs play, and make great reads/throws and not wonder, "Would Jason have the presence of mind to make such a decision?" It's funny this thread showed up because I was mentioning to someone that in that Bears game when Collins hit Betts on a great read for a TD, I immediately wondered if Jason would have been smart enough to read the defense and make the same play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Very telling, years later, same problem/issue very little improvement if at all. Similar excuses. While I don't think Jason was exactly put in the best situation to succeed, he's had enough that if he were even a decent QB he'd have more success than he's had. He's below average, couple that with issues with play calling, a weak oline, etc and it's what you have and have seen the past few weeks. Same ol, different toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnTigersFan Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Nice article in the Post today, but a 3rd rounder for Jeremy Jarmon is going to be painful come draft day... Speculation that other teams would have taken him in the 4th, but some claim he wouldn't have been taken at all... Jared Gaither several years back was a home run for the Ravens... Otherwise, just another draft pick we will be without in April... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wow, talk about attempt at disruption. What the hell does the Jarmon "story" have to do with this thread, Mr. "AuburnTigers"? More importantly, Jarmon seems to have real talent, I'm not going to complain about him yet. And again, what the hell is that but an attempt to derail the thread about your boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonian Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I think this is a very important thread for people to see. The excuses made for Campbell today are nearly exactly the same as they were in 2007. Needless to say, it'll be interesting to see how the rest of this season plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 this was the best bump of the season so far. mistertim is still bringing the lols. im not even sure if hes typed a new thought, or he has just been copying and pasting his own quotes from this thread into the current campbell debate threads. extremely telling though, and just further proves that campbell is getting the exact same excuses now that he was 2 years ago. same ****, different year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 what an awesome thread, lol... all true too... 2 different head coaches, same excuses... dont think the team got healthier with Todd Collins... you tell me what happened, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Nice article in the Post today, but a 3rd rounder for Jeremy Jarmon is going to be painful come draft day... Speculation that other teams would have taken him in the 4th, but some claim he wouldn't have been taken at all... Jared Gaither several years back was a home run for the Ravens... Otherwise, just another draft pick we will be without in April... the thing with Gaither is that he came in the supplemental draft... when he left UMD, I was begging for the Redskins to take him... they didnt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I like how some JC defenders couldn't even figure out this thread started in 2007. They just jumped in and started blindly defending him without realizing they could have just cut and pasted excuses from two years before. Me? I just hope we're not bumping this thread two years from today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I like how some JC defenders couldn't even figure out this thread started in 2007. They just jumped in and started blindly defending him without realizing they could have just cut and pasted excuses from two years before.Me? I just hope we're not bumping this thread two years from today. Not only can you do that, but I did replacing Saunders/Gibbs with Zorn and a different receiver or two. I did the same thing last year in 2008 as well. Exactly the same comments, 3 years straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Bump of the decade. :applause: But the point will probably fall on deaf ears as people still, 2 years on, unbelievably try to defend the un-defendable. :doh: Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 this was the best bump of the season so far.mistertim is still bringing the lols. im not even sure if hes typed a new thought, or he has just been copying and pasting his own quotes from this thread into the current campbell debate threads. extremely telling though, and just further proves that campbell is getting the exact same excuses now that he was 2 years ago. same ****, different year. Is it the same ****y line? Same ****. Same OL. If you want Campbell to go based on his play, I'm guessing you want Samuels, Dock, Rabach, Thomas, and Heyer gone too, cus they're far worse than Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 His biggest problem is fear. When the game is on the line, he doesn't want the ball. When he is able to call his own number to run on 4th and short, he hands the ball off. When he can change to a pass from a draw, he hands it off to someone else. Winners want the ball. He either runs away from the responsibility or chokes when the the ball is in his hands with the game on the line. Maybe he'll improve, but there is absolutely no reason to think so at this point based on performance so far. Pretty much nailed it 2 years ago. Nothing changes. When we get near the redzone he'd rather hand off to Betts on 3rd and 8, or on the final play of the game throw to the 20 instead of in the endzone. He consistently throws to the guy short of first down. Refuses to throw into the end zone. He doesn't want to be "the guy". Maybe thats why Zorn called the HB pass on 3rd and goal weeks ago. Campbell won't try to win so Zorn lets Portis go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 ];6899165']Is it the same ****y line?Same ****. Same OL. If you want Campbell to go based on his play' date=' I'm guessing you want Samuels...[/quote'] WHOA! Stop right there. Shut your ____ filthy mouth. Samuels is an elite LT, even when he's all messed up he's still in the top 10. Campbell and his career are not fit to lick the shoes of Samuels and HONESTLY, not Dockery, Rabach (who had to take over line calls from Jason) or Thomas (who gave up his body for this team) or anyone else. Only Heyer is as bad at his position and that's generally run blocking. I love it, even when it's shoved in your face you still bash the entire team to protect your Lord and Savior. Will you check his buttpads for benchmarks after he gets the hook and rises again, I wonder (off the waiver wire) ? And on the third day, the Raiders did sign him from the waiver wire...where he was still beaten out for the starting job. But just as man does not live by bread alone, so too does a team not live by touchdowns, points, big plays, victories or playoff appearances but by every checkdown from the hand of the Lord. Thus spoketh JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Janky Spanky Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 We will never know exactly how good Campbell could have been. Danny and Vinny brought in a coach and an offense that was completely unsuited for Campbell's strenghts. If Danny knew the first thing about football and based his decisions on his knowledge rather than an itch to use flashy wide receivers more, then he wouldn't have hired a WCO coach given that Campbell is much more suited for the vertical passing game, as drafted by Gibbs. So, Campbell may or may not be the QB of our future, but because of the mismatch between scheme and personnel, he will be leaving at the end of this year and we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.