JC Detractors: time to step up.

[heyholetsgogrant]

I've been vocal about how I think Campbell isn't the answer, so here's what I think:

First off, give Campbell the rest of this year to show something.

If he improves greatly by the last game, I'm ok with keeping him another year and hoping he turns into a good one.

If he is still playing the same, then I think we need to bring in competition for him this offseason. From where? I have no idea. Free agency, the draft, I don't know. Like I've said elsewhere... it isn't an easy question. If it was, then all 32 teams would have good QB's instead of just a few.

It is very difficult to find a good QB in the NFL, but if Campbell isn't improving by the end of the year, then it's time for us to start trying to find one.

Let Campbell continue to fight for the job and if he wins it, then fine. But if we have some decent competition for him and that guy wins the job, then sit Jason down.

Just because he's a first round pick with a "pedigree" (lord how I hate that word)... doesn't mean that we can't find an Anderson to compete against him.

I just don't want to see us stick with a guy who isn't good enough for 3 years or something. Just get some competition in here.

That's what I'd suggest. Finding that guy will be up to the Redskins.

Bottom line is Campbell gets one more season, after that his career is up in the air. The beauty of NFL quarterbacks, you know within the first 2-3 seasons on whether they will be starting in the league or not.

-Grant

[skinfan2k]

I think they used 3 picks to get Campbell.

They forwarded a first round pick 1 yr in advance and gave up 2 additional picks 3rd and a 4th

[Veretax]

In 2006 we were 2-5 under Campbell with everyone healthy on offense minus CP. We had a 1000 yard back in Betts. I believe his QB ranking was near last.

Jansen was down in one game, and Moss was down the last two games I believe. We also had Defensive issues last year. The guy did not get hardly any snapps until the Bye week I believe. Not to surprising how he did that year.

In 2007 we are 5-7. Yes, we are hurting at the offensive line but once again we will have another 1000 yard rusher. He has been put in to a position by the coaches to win almost every game. It's not like JC doesn't have a supporting cast.

Moss has been hurt and inconsistent. ARE has been consistent when he's played but he is now hurt. Lloyd is out with an injury. James Thrash is out for the Season. 2/3 of the Oline has been out for several games this season. Note to get to 1000 yards you only need 62.5 yds per game, nothing to brag about in my opinion.

I would of drafted Brady Quinn last year. He or Anderson may be available because the Brownies won't be able to keep both. Either are worth a look if they don't cost us too much. Washington has always been well known for it's QB controversies, why change now? Even if either of the Brownies QBs are not the answer, I would look to bring in some sort of competition.

Wow, and if you had done that what do you do, what if you dont' sign him. We'd not have landry if we had drafted Quinn, who would be at Strong Safety? Ugh :/

What's your point? It's obvious you are trying to make one.

My Point is that its one thing to say we deserve better, most people will say yeah we want better, but its another to put it on the line and Say X is the player we need. I've not heard any QB yet mentioned that would be a sure solution to the problem. Anderson has played well, but I doubt Cleveland lets him go even if they let Quinn play next year.

Apparently it will be something along the lines of "Even if JC isn't great, he's the best we can get right now."

Well excuse for thinking that is loser talk.

No its not loser talk. There are 11 positions on the field at any given time. Only 1 out 33 positions or so is the QB. Now is it an important cog in the works of course it is. Noone here is denying that, but to say that our Season is a reflection on JC alone is ludicrous.

I've already explained the point. The search should continue instead of pretending JC is the answer. Who the other alternatives will be involves a whole litany of contigencies that we can't really predict it. You apparently think we should just commit to him as a franchise QB because we don't have a clear alternative now. I say you will waste this franchise by sitting around hoping he pans out and committing seasons to him. We must continue the search.

But you can go fly a kite if you think it is a legitmate argument to say "Shut up about JC because there isn't an obvious alternative."

As I said in my first comment, the absence of a clear alternative is no indication of the sufficiency of JC. He is not the answer. Not knowing who the answer is does not make JC the answer. It just makes him be the current placeholder until the answer is found.

What makes you think they aren't evaluating the situation? But having a search is one thing, if your a Manager, and you know you need a better player at a position you got to look and see who you can get. So WHO would you look at? Don't just tell me to Search give me a ball park. You can send a team of Search and Rescue specialists into a wilderness, but if you don't have some clue of where the missing persons are, they won't find them without a whole LOT of luck. We haven't re upped JC yet, we don't have to yet as I believe. As for who your alternatives are you can't predict? Good grief, if you don't have a name or two at least than shut up about it. I want names, I'd love to know who you think we should get, I'd even go look at game tapes if you convince me a guy is worth it, but I'll be honest I don't think you can name too many folks even though I listed a few because your more interested in griping than actually answer my question. How would you "Fix the problem" I want specifics.

I am not saying you need to Shut Up about pointing out when Jason Does wrong, I too have said he's made some mistakes. The fumbling issue is a MAJOR concern and needs fixed. I agree with you on that, but to say he needs replaced as after this season, Okay who do we go and get. I want to know who. If JC Is not the answer, you can sit around for the Second Coming of Sammy Baugh or Sonny J, or Joey T or whoever and never find it. So you have to be realistic here who do you think the Skins should target. Who do you think could be better for us long term to be worth giving up on JC, I just would like to know what you think. Not just that you think JC is crap. :/

I'm not opposed to bringing in a mid to late rounder, Brunnel is likely gone after this year, if not him then Collins so we need a 3rd QB somewhere.

[skinfan2k]

In 2006 we were 2-5 under Campbell with everyone healthy on offense minus CP. We had a 1000 yard back in Betts. I believe his QB ranking was near last.

Remember that team that was #31 on defense or 2 games where Betts coughed up the ball to lose the game!

In 2007 we are 5-7. Yes, we are hurting at the offensive line but once again we will have another 1000 yard rusher. He has been put in to a position by the coaches to win almost every game. It's not like JC doesn't have a supporting cast.

Portis yardage this year have come in bunches or nothing.. It has been against the bad run defenses early and now with the banged up offensive line

I would of drafted Brady Quinn last year. He or Anderson may be available because the Brownies won't be able to keep both. Either are worth a look if they don't cost us too much. Washington has always been well known for it's QB controversies, why change now? Even if either of the Brownies QBs are not the answer, I would look to bring in some sort of competition.

Choke Job Brady Quinn, what did he show in college? NO growth what so ever.

[PorkSkins]

Please refer to my previous post on how the NFL draft is an investment and we aren't living in Madden world right now. You don't give up on a first round QB after seven games. Draft Brady Quinn? No offense, but I'm very glad you are not our GM.

Also, why change now because of our QB controversies? Because we aren't living in the Sonny Jurgensen/Billy Kilmer times and we actually have a salary cap and FA. Plus the fact that QB controversies haven't gotten us anywhere since FA was established.

OK, you don't hang on to a Blue Chip Stock if it is losing you money. You trade it while it is still worth something. Another down season will only cause this stock to plummet to where it will be completely worthless.

I'm glad you're not a stock broker either.

[Bacon]

Lousy offensive line.

Undersized, underachieving WR corps.

Weak running game, due to lousy offensive line.

Any opinion I may have on JC at this point would be influenced by the above factors, so I think it would be unfair of me to bash him at this juncture. Let's get the line straightened out, and maybe JC will become a star.

[Veretax]

OK, you don't hang on to a Blue Chip Stock if it is losing you money. You trade it while it is still worth something. Another down season will only cause this stock to plummet to where it will be completely worthless.

I'm glad you're not a stock broker either.

Okay so we get to the point. You'd like to Trade JC, okay lets talk dirty. Who or what would you trade him for? How much would you want, would you want picks, players, what?

[skinfan2k]

OK, you don't hang on to a Blue Chip Stock if it is losing you money. You trade it while it is still worth something. Another down season will only cause this stock to plummet to where it will be completely worthless.

I'm glad you're not a stock broker either.

This is not the stock market where you can just buy and trade. Free agency is sorta of like the stock market!!! Buy quick, and sell quick.

You get .25 on the dollar if you trade him now, if teams know you want to trade him, you get no value:doh:

[drowland]

They forwarded a first round pick 1 yr in advance and gave up 2 additional picks 3rd and a 4th

Yeah, that's 3. The 1 they actually used to select him, plus the 2 to move up.

[PorkSkins]

Jansen was down in one game, and Moss was down the last two games I believe. We also had Defensive issues last year. The guy did not get hardly any snapps until the Bye week I believe. Not to surprising how he did that year.

Moss has been hurt and inconsistent. ARE has been consistent when he's played but he is now hurt. Lloyd is out with an injury. James Thrash is out for the Season. 2/3 of the Oline has been out for several games this season. Note to get to 1000 yards you only need 62.5 yds per game, nothing to brag about in my opinion.

Wow, and if you had done that what do you do, what if you dont' sign him. We'd not have landry if we had drafted Quinn, who would be at Strong Safety? Ugh :/

My Point is that its one thing to say we deserve better, most people will say yeah we want better, but its another to put it on the line and Say X is the player we need. I've not heard any QB yet mentioned that would be a sure solution to the problem. Anderson has played well, but I doubt Cleveland lets him go even if they let Quinn play next year.

No its not loser talk. There are 11 positions on the field at any given time. Only 1 out 33 positions or so is the QB. Now is it an important cog in the works of course it is. Noone here is denying that, but to say that our Season is a reflection on JC alone is ludicrous.

What makes you think they aren't evaluating the situation? But having a search is one thing, if your a Manager, and you know you need a better player at a position you got to look and see who you can get. So WHO would you look at? Don't just tell me to Search give me a ball park. You can send a team of Search and Rescue specialists into a wilderness, but if you don't have some clue of where the missing persons are, they won't find them without a whole LOT of luck. We haven't re upped JC yet, we don't have to yet as I believe. As for who your alternatives are you can't predict? Good grief, if you don't have a name or two at least than shut up about it. I want names, I'd love to know who you think we should get, I'd even go look at game tapes if you convince me a guy is worth it, but I'll be honest I don't think you can name too many folks even though I listed a few because your more interested in griping than actually answer my question. How would you "Fix the problem" I want specifics.

I am not saying you need to Shut Up about pointing out when Jason Does wrong, I too have said he's made some mistakes. The fumbling issue is a MAJOR concern and needs fixed. I agree with you on that, but to say he needs replaced as after this season, Okay who do we go and get. I want to know who. If JC Is not the answer, you can sit around for the Second Coming of Sammy Baugh or Sonny J, or Joey T or whoever and never find it. So you have to be realistic here who do you think the Skins should target. Who do you think could be better for us long term to be worth giving up on JC, I just would like to know what you think. Not just that you think JC is crap. :/

I'm not opposed to bringing in a mid to late rounder, Brunnel is likely gone after this year, if not him then Collins so we need a 3rd QB somewhere.

And your point is? You didn't address the current season that JC has been put in a situation to win most of the games we have lost. I never said he is crap. I said he has a tendency to do the things I mentioned. Those issues haven't changed since last year. As for 1000 yard rushers, I wasn't referring to the 16 game schedule. Get your facts straight before you hit the send button. My last comment was to bring in some competition.

[skinfan2k]

Yeah, that's 3. The 1 they actually used to select him, plus the 2 to move up.

I dont thikn that way, this is the way i get out of the trade, If i want this talent now instead of waiting a year on another player who or who i may not want, then i am only mortaging 2 additional picks for him.

[terpskins10]

OK, you don't hang on to a Blue Chip Stock if it is losing you money. You trade it while it is still worth something. Another down season will only cause this stock to plummet to where it will be completely worthless.

I'm glad you're not a stock broker either.

Yep, you're right. I only have a basic knowledge of the market and do not want to have anything to do with Wall Street.

The fact is, though, that giving up on a QB after less than two years of real playing time is NEVER, EVER going to get your team anywhere. You say you want your team to be a winner right now? That's great. So do we all. But there are ways to get there. It's not a coincidence that 7 of the 8 division leaders have QBs who they either drafted originally or signed at a young age and had to deal with developing them. That's the way you win in today's NFL.

[Veretax]

And your point is? You didn't address the current season that JC has been put in a situation to win most of the games we have lost. I never said he is crap. I said he has a tendency to do the things I mentioned. Those issues haven't changed since last year. As for 1000 yard rushers, I wasn't referring to the 16 game schedule. Get your facts straight before you hit the send button. My last comment was to bring in some competition.

did you miss this:

Moss has been hurt and inconsistent. ARE has been consistent when he's played but he is now hurt. Lloyd is out with an injury. James Thrash is out for the Season. 2/3 of the Oline has been out for several games this season. Note to get to 1000 yards you only need 62.5 yds per game, nothing to brag about in my opinion.

Our WR Corp has been inconsistent and then injured. I blame that on Coaching and Management not on JC. JC Didn't cause ARE or Moss or Thrash or Lloyd to Get hurt, at least I've not heard anyone say that is his fault. Show me any team that loses theif 4 best Wide Receivers on the depth chart, and is still able to move the ball the way we have at times. Even Detroit with its "WR Pool" Has had issues at times. Mind you I'm not against bringing in some FA backup and letting him have an opportunity to compete, I just don't see how we get a Starter for 08 out of the situation. beyond 08 is debatable.

And yeah Portis is a better than normal back so yeah he's done okay this year against some bad defenses. We still mathematically could make it to the play offs, but I'm like you in some ways, I'd rather be confident about it than hanging on edge every single week. It really does drive a man to drink

[PorkSkins]

Yep, you're right. I only have a basic knowledge of the market and do not want to have anything to do with Wall Street.

The fact is, though, that giving up on a QB after less than two years of real playing time is NEVER, EVER going to get your team anywhere. You say you want your team to be a winner right now? That's great. So do we all. But there are ways to get there. It's not a coincidence that 7 of the 8 division leaders have QBs who they either drafted originally or signed at a young age and had to deal with developing them. That's the way you win in today's NFL.

Thanks for the insight. Your opinion is well taken.

[wysknz1]

Everyone is saying great things about Cutler. Well, what's Denvers record? O-LINE, give Jason an O-line and it will be very different.

Also if we get another college QB who knows what we get. How many "great" college QB's have been a wash out.

I vote give JC a chance. 1 year is impossible to judge.

[PorkSkins]

did you miss this:

Moss has been hurt and inconsistent. ARE has been consistent when he's played but he is now hurt. Lloyd is out with an injury. James Thrash is out for the Season. 2/3 of the Oline has been out for several games this season. Note to get to 1000 yards you only need 62.5 yds per game, nothing to brag about in my opinion.

Our WR Corp has been inconsistent and then injured. I blame that on Coaching and Management not on JC. JC Didn't cause ARE or Moss or Thrash or Lloyd to Get hurt, at least I've not heard anyone say that is his fault. Show me any team that loses theif 4 best Wide Receivers on the depth chart, and is still able to move the ball the way we have at times. Even Detroit with its "WR Pool" Has had issues at times. Mind you I'm not against bringing in some FA backup and letting him have an opportunity to compete, I just don't see how we get a Starter for 08 out of the situation. beyond 08 is debatable.

And yeah Portis is a better than normal back so yeah he's done okay this year against some bad defenses. We still mathematically could make it to the play offs, but I'm like you in some ways, I'd rather be confident about it than hanging on edge every single week. It really does drive a man to drink

I agree with most everything you said. The things that keep sticking in my head recently is the throw to Newman against the Cowpukes and the two throws at Tampa Bay to Barber and Kelly. As far as the fumbling problem I recall Rypien had the same problem the year before his SB win. I believe during that SB season he was sacked only 8 times. I wish we could repeat that effort.

[Forever21]

I hope he sures up his turnover problem, I like JC and really want him to be the QB here for a long time, it is at the moment very iffy whether or not he can be =| ... only time can tell and I hope he gets it together

I agree. I want to believe in JC because that is what I feel as a fan I have to do. But this season I haven't seen any real progression. No regression either mind you. Time will tell.

[#98QBKiller]

I'm going to go out on a limb at say that Jason Campbell will be a pro bowl QB next year and I fully believe this is the guy that will be looked at as the example of what a good QB will be.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're right

[Long-Time-Fan]

All JC needs is a better handle on the ball.

Assuming any of you JC haters have actually watched the games and not just basing your opinions on stats after the game.

JC drives down the field like a HOF but bad play calling/bad ball control is the only thing hurting him.

[ramirez415]

We need no other QB, JC will be a star. All he needs is a healthy OL and a legitimate big #1 WR. All the great QB's Manning, Palmer, Romo sits to pee, Brady, etcs have great WR's.

[SkinsFan48]

JC is our QB of the future for this team..Hes doing just fine...Im mean when was the last time we had a good QB...I can tell you this its been a long time.

[terpskins10]

Thanks for the insight. Your opinion is well taken.

I think we just have to agree to disagree at this point. Obviously you WANT Campbell to step up and be the guy as do we all. We'll know in a year or two where we stand at the position.

I think he'll definitely get one more season as the unquestioned starter. Beyond that, I'm not sure. If he doesn't show improvement then we might have a muddled QB situation. However, as a big fan of his dating back to his days at Auburn, I think he will be fine.

[pgitta]

you all screamed for him. I remember it like it was yesterday. practically was yesterday.

now you scream for someone else.

I am so glad I am me, and not you.

[terpskins10]

you all screamed for him. I remember it like it was yesterday. practically was yesterday.

now you scream for someone else.

I am so glad I am me, and not you.

ROFL, Yep people sure are changeable.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think you have to give Campbell one more year. But if he is still the same player in Week 13 of 2008 as he is in Week 13 of 2007, it's time to start looking around.

The answer to every question about Campbell is simple: Campbell needs to play better.