Any 5 percenter's on ES (Gods and earths)?

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Always been a big fan of hip hop artists and it wasn't until I read up on a lot of 5% stuff that I really understood what they were talking about.

I'd like to know more.

All I know is that the nation of gods and earths broke off from the Nation of Islam and there is a lot of acroynms.

B.asic

I.nstuctions

B.efore

L.leaving

E.arth

A.rm

L.eg

L.eg

A.rm

H.ead

P.ower

E.quality

A.llah

C.'s

E.verthing

I'd like to know more. I know there is a lot of stuff dealing with number's and the letters of the alaphabet.

Also, correct me if im wrong, but 5% comes out of the belief that 5% of the people are righteous and have wisdom. 85% of the people are mentally dumb, deaf, and blind. 10% of the people are wise but keep the 85% from that knowledge and deceive the masses.

[HOF44]

I think I'm an 85 percenter!

[jrockster21]

Arm to the leg leg, arm to the head.

Not a 5%er, that just reminds me of a Gravediggaz song. :laugh:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'm definitely a believer of the 85% part. That's actually pretty funny. Me and Who Del were talking awhile back and trying to figure out what percentage of the population was stupid as ****. The number we finally agreed on after some discussion was 85. I didn't know that's what 5 Percenters believe as well.

[Stophovr6]

Huh? I must be part of the 85 percent because I don't understand 85 percent of this thread.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Arm to the leg leg, arm to the head.

Not a 5%er, that just reminds me of a Gravediggaz song. :laugh:

RZA dropped that in Wu-Tang song too... I think it was Triumph, if I'm not mistaken.

And obviously, GZA had a song called B.I.B.L.E. in which the hook was Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

Although, I have to say, I think you can make an acronym out of anything if you really tried.

ACRONYM - A Clever Rhyme Or Name Yielding Meaning

[jrockster21]

I'm definitely a believer of the 85% part. That's actually pretty funny. Me and Who Del were talking awhile back and trying to figure out what percentage of the population was stupid as ****. The number we finally agreed on after some discussion was 85. I didn't know that's what 5 Percenters believe as well.

Its not the % of population who is literally stupid - its the % of the population who are ignorant to what's really going on. At least that's what I've always heard. If 85% of our population were literally dumb and deaf, we'd be in bad shape.

[Ghost of]

5 percenters make the Nation of Islam seem grounded and normal.

And I'm always a big fan of racial supremist cult religions, who isn't?!

Fortunately, I don't really view RZA and the like as seriously believing in it, at least not anymore. It is interesting, if really, really goofy.

The Moorish Science Temple is another one to read up on.

Or read up on the much smaller and more vile Yahweh ben Yahweh cult.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Arm to the leg leg, arm to the head.

Not a 5%er, that just reminds me of a Gravediggaz song. :laugh:

Me, the RZArectecter ressurect the mental dead!

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

The Moorish Science Temple is another one to read up on.

I had a roommate in the Army who was Moorish. He was from DC too. ****ing insane ****. He would give me all sorts of literature to read. I forget a lot of it but I remember being scared to go to sleep.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

If 85% of our population were literally dumb and deaf, we'd be in bad shape.

We're not?

And ignorance is kinda what we meant by "stupid as ****."

[Metalhead]

Wow, I have no clue what's going on in this thread, so pardon my ignorance. What is the 5%? Is this some religious or hip-hop thing?

I'm just really curious. If anyone feels like explaining the acronyms or what "%" stands for, that would be great.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Wow, I have no clue what's going on in this thread, so pardon my ignorance. What is the 5%? Is this some religious or hip-hop thing?

I'm just really curious. If anyone feels like explaining the acronyms or what "%" stands for, that would be great.

I believe % stands for percentage, which is a form of measurement. It can commonly be found in such things as sports standings, graphs, and taxes. Don't quote me on that though.

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

WVA,

I cracked up when I saw this.... ya know the 5 Percenters didn't really get to DC...

Anyone wanting information listen Erykah Badu - On-n-On. (Actuallly, naaahhhhh, that will confuse you even more!)

Hey, any of you remember Yahweh ben Yahweh?????

Most people thought they NOI (Black Muslims) they used to sell Incense and Go-Go tape up and down 7th st/ Georgia Ave.....

They REALLY funny thing is that Yahweh ben Yahweh was 'preaching' from Jail.

here's their site --> http://www.yahwehbenyahweh.com/

enjoy!!

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

Here's the 5 Percenters web-site

http://www.allahsnation.net/

and more info below....

5%

Nation of Gods and Earths/Five Percent FAQ (frequently asked questions) 1.) What are the Nation of Gods and Earths (Five Percent?)

The Five Percent began as an offshoot of the NOI (Nation of Islam) back in 1964 by Clarence 13X who was a minister in Mosque no. 7 under the tutelege of Malcolm X. The movement was started because Clarence 13X rejected the notion that Wallace Fard was God Incarnate (see NOI). He began teaching that the black man himself was god. Five Percenters also depart from NOI in their teaching of the Supreme Alphabet and Supreme Mathematics, an arcane system devised by Clarence 13X wherein each letter or numeral denotes a concept with an accompanying parable. "A" stands for Allah, "B" is Be or Born, "C" is See and so on. This process is known as "dropping science".

Supreme Mathematics - teaches that numbers 0-9 means:

1 - Knowledge

2 - Wisdom

3 - Understanding

4 - Culture/Freedom

5 - Power/Refinement

6 - Equality

7 - God

8 - Build/Destroy

9 - Born

0 - Cipher

2.) Why do they call themselves members of the Nation of Gods and Earths or Five Percenters?

Clarence 13X taught that eighty-five percent of the population is made up of ignorant, unlearned and uncivilized people who need to be led (mostly churchgoers). This eighty-five percent are believed to have no "knowledge of self". Ten percent of the population have some knowledge of self [i.e. the real truth], however, they use this knowledge to wield control over the eighty-five percent vs. "liberating" them [most baptist preachers, including Rev. Jesse Jackson are believed to be in this category]. Lastly, he considered the remaining five percent to be those who thought/believed like himself and his followers. The "poor, righteous teachers", the ones who do possess knowledge of themselves, their origins, and the way the world system really is -- and additionally, the way in which the new world order will come about. Their job/mission is to educate the eighty-five percent to what this hidden or veiled knowledge really is. [in the last few years, they have preferred to be called the Nation of Gods and Earths. The men are referred to as "gods" and the women are referred to as "earths"] - I have been informed recently by a member that Allah "The Father" , Clarence 13X, said that after 1967 they would no longer be known as the 5% Nation of Islam, but as Allah's Nation of Gods and Earths.

3.) How did this message spread?

This message was delivered as a street rap that mesmerized New York City youth. They won converts by the hundreds. Today the group numbers in the tens of thousands in NYC alone. This message was also well-timed, as the 1960's were obviously a time of great struggle for blacks in America. This was a message [very similar to the black supremacist doctrines of the NOI] that made black youths feel superior in a world where they were viewed as wholly inferior.

4.) How popular is it?

Well it is popular among many African-American male youth, especially in poor, urban areas. However, this thinking is also embraced by well off individuals. Its popularity is helped along by many R&B/Hip-Hop artists. Erykah Badu, Nas, Common, Wu-Tang, Busta Rhymes, and countless others have their lyrics laced with 5% doctrine. In addition to using these beliefs in their music some rap artists like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Lakim Shabazz have used the 5% flag on their album covers. Their numbers are believed to be in the hundreds of thousands, however they personally claim many more members. The concentration of Five Percenters is believed to be the highest on the East Coast, not coincidentally to be the location of the birth of rap and hip hop music. The major cities that boast the largest African-American populations can be known to have a significant number of Five Percent adherents. These cities include: New York, New Jersey, New Haven, Washington D.C., Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Baltimore and Atlanta (to name a few). This belief system has been embraced by some internationally as well.

5.) What are the requirements for membership?

The requirements of "official" membership in the Five Percent are unclear. They do not have organized affiliation. A Five Percenter will frequently say that they simply came into knowledge of self, or better yet, the "fact" that the "Asiatic Black Man" is God... It is more a way of life and they would shun any reference to them being a "religion". They do refer to "knowledging 120" (120 refers to their lessons which are virtually identical to the Supreme Wisdom originated by Elijah Muhammed and W.D. Fard). This question of whether they have knowledged (mastered/understood) these lessons appears to be rather important because often you will hear them say: "I knowledged 120 in [plug year in here]". In many dialogues or "builds" among themselves, disagreements are usually met with challenges to a member's knowledge of 120.

Suffice it to say that this step of absorbing the lessons likely separates the babies from the seasoned, and at the same time can expose a perpetrator. As indicated on a section of their homepage, they appear to really keep up with the rap artists level of commitment to their teachings, regardless of whether or not they pepper their lyrics with their lingo.

There are also, Parliaments and Schools that the members attend, which are rallys/meeting places where lessons are distributed and members can listen to speakers and meet others.

6.) Do they have a holy book or some by-laws?

NGE/Five Percent concepts are often circulated as lessons. They are made up of the following:

The Supreme Mathematics

The Supreme Alphabet

The Student Enrollment (1-10)*

The Lost Found Muslim Lesson No.1 (1-14)*

English Lesson C-1 (1-36)*

The Lost Found Muslim Lesson No.2 (1-40)*

The Actual Facts*

<li>The Solar Facts

*Lessons marked with an asterisk can be found here: Supreme Wisdom.

Additionally there is an emphasis on knowing the history of the Five Percent, having an understanding of the Nation's flag and being aware of Clarence 13X's legacy. Another lesson, Teachings for the Civilized, is also of some interest. There is an underground newspaper that is offered by subscription only. I have also discovered a newsletter called The Black 7. You can download a pdf version of it here. (warning: potentially long download depending on your connection). The lessons and paper have a wide circulation in prisons, where the Five Percent have mounted a significant outreach campaign. Underground books are circulated as well. Common terminology that originated with the Five Percent: "Break it down", "droppin' science", "sup G [God]?", "word", "peace", "word is bond", and "represent".

[jrockster21]

We're not?

And ignorance is kinda what we meant by "stupid as ****."

:doh: There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

[commyderm2]

5 percenters make the Nation of Islam seem grounded and normal.

And I'm always a big fan of racial supremist cult religions, who isn't?!

Fortunately, I don't really view RZA and the like as seriously believing in it, at least not anymore. It is interesting, if really, really goofy.

The Moorish Science Temple is another one to read up on.

Or read up on the much smaller and more vile Yahweh ben Yahweh cult.

Oh yes, because how can we expect to others to express independant and free thought.

It cracks me up that people complain about getting persecuted for ideas like religion and speech and yet persecute others for theirs..

If you do any real research besides the obvious controversies and corruptions, particularly from their "prophet" Master Fard and the assassination attempts on Malcolm X and Clarence the 13th. Before the real collapse into obscurity, the NOI and NOG&E's were the only real legit and uplifting resource of power or anything productive in the slums back in those days besides street gangs. The source of their anger and hatred were a result of the MANY injustices provoked by the racist government and police force that ran things back then. Your living in a dream world if you don't believe that these organizations were a direct blowback of discriminatory laws and low hanging glass ceilings and constricting glass walls. The NOI taught against drug use, alcohol abuse, a poisonous diet, violence, corruption, greed, and unfaithfulness. Unfortunately the hypocritical leaders were the ones who couldn't hold up their ends of the bargain.

Now, the be fair, I am a long time presbyterian Christian, and I am white. So I do not consider myself an expert on these matters.

[Kosher Ham]

I knew a few guys that were 5%ers when I lived in Atlanta. Used to run ball with 'em, and just shoot the ****.

They were very good people within the community. I have some knowledge, but as someone who is not a follower, I just like to learn.

[KDawg]

If more people join their cause, will they be called 10%ers? Or 20%ers?

[Ghost of]

commyderm, thanks for the history lecture but it doesn't matter what 'good' a sect did.

You do recall that Malcolm X turned away from NoI and it's racist views, right? That would indicate that even in the 'context' of that time and it's 'positive' work, even a member saw some issues with it.

If the KKK did 'good work' no one would care. And that's because the overt racism and kookery of their beliefs would nullify that.

Glad to know you're white and Presby. I'm mixed black/white and agnostic and actually had contact with Muslims, both orthodox and "cultist offshoots" and had to often walk by the "Black Hebrew" preachers screaming their genocidal hate. I also had friends who were, at least, sympathetic with the views of Farrakhan and other groups without being full-fledged believers. So, I think I might have some grounding in the subject, though I don't consider myself an expert.

And as I may have hinted at, lots of people affiliate themselves with different organizations and beliefs but don't necessarily swallow everything. For that they are to be commended, to some extent.

Oh yes, because how can we expect to others to express independant and free thought.

This is absurd. Religions are one thing but when you're taking English transliterations of words and then turning them into acronyms, it's silly. And beyond that, because they have the RIGHT to believe what they wish (all should have that right) doesn't mean they are free from criticism. By that logic, because there were pagan mystical aspects to Nazism, I should refrain from criticizing them. Or were you just being a paternalist white liberal who holds blacks to a lower standard?

[commyderm2]

commyderm, thanks for the history lecture but it doesn't matter what 'good' a sect did.

You do recall that Malcolm X turned away from NoI and it's racist views, right? That would indicate that even in the 'context' of that time and it's 'positive' work, even a member saw some issues with it.

If the KKK did 'good work' no one would care. And that's because the overt racism and kookery of their beliefs would nullify that.

Glad to know you're white and Presby. I'm mixed black/white and agnostic and actually had contact with Muslims, both orthodox and "cultist offshoots" and had to often walk by the "Black Hebrew" preachers screaming their genocidal hate. I also had friends who were, at least, sympathetic with the views of Farrakhan and other groups without being full-fledged believers. So, I think I might have some grounding in the subject, though I don't consider myself an expert.

And as I may have hinted at, lots of people affiliate themselves with different organizations and beliefs but don't necessarily swallow everything. For that they are to be commended, to some extent.

This is absurd. Religions are one thing but when you're taking English transliterations of words and then turning them into acronyms, it's silly. And beyond that, because they have the RIGHT to believe what they wish (all should have that right) doesn't mean they are free from criticism. By that logic, because there were pagan mystical aspects to Nazism, I should refrain from criticizing them. Or were you just being a paternalist white liberal who holds blacks to a lower standard?

wow, sorry i missed this. Glad I caught it.. these are strong words and a good point.. oh and sorry, i'm not a liberal, I'm actually a conservative and a republican, but thats besides the point.. but sorry if some of my words were painted in a way to make me seem sympathetic to their cause because I am not. I don't know if you fully read my post, but I did criticize them pretty heavily, particulary for their racism and hypocracy. However, you have to commend them for their positive influences in an area and time when there were no positive influences, just hatred, drugs, gangs and poverty. Also, the hypocracy is inexcusable, but you could look at any part of society, including your agnostics and find a great deal of hypocracy. Now, comparing their racism to the KKK's racism is hardly feasible. The KKK hates people who are not white for no other reason than that they look different, have bigger shlongs, run faster, tradition or God knows what. The NOI hates white people because of 400 years of oppression, intimidation, fear and oh yeah thats right, slavery. Its no wonder that they thought of us as the devil.

And a really big part of your argument that I disagree with is that it does matter what good a sect did. The fact is is that the NOI had more of a positive overall effect on society in the long-term than negative. That is very important. To ignore that is ignorance, not holding black people to a lower standard.

Again, I'm sorry I gave you the impression that I was liberal.. damn, i'm against affirmative action and welfare entitlements.. I guess speaking intellectually and reasonably is kind of liberal though..

[Oldskool]

Here's the 5 Percenters web-site

http://www.allahsnation.net/

and more info below....

5%

Nation of Gods and Earths/Five Percent FAQ (frequently asked questions) 1.) What are the Nation of Gods and Earths (Five Percent?)

The Five Percent began as an offshoot of the NOI (Nation of Islam) back in 1964 by Clarence 13X who was a minister in Mosque no. 7 under the tutelege of Malcolm X. The movement was started because Clarence 13X rejected the notion that Wallace Fard was God Incarnate (see NOI). He began teaching that the black man himself was god. Five Percenters also depart from NOI in their teaching of the Supreme Alphabet and Supreme Mathematics, an arcane system devised by Clarence 13X wherein each letter or numeral denotes a concept with an accompanying parable. "A" stands for Allah, "B" is Be or Born, "C" is See and so on. This process is known as "dropping science".

Supreme Mathematics - teaches that numbers 0-9 means:

1 - Knowledge

2 - Wisdom

3 - Understanding

4 - Culture/Freedom

5 - Power/Refinement

6 - Equality

7 - God

8 - Build/Destroy

9 - Born

0 - Cipher

2.) Why do they call themselves members of the Nation of Gods and Earths or Five Percenters?

Clarence 13X taught that eighty-five percent of the population is made up of ignorant, unlearned and uncivilized people who need to be led (mostly churchgoers). This eighty-five percent are believed to have no "knowledge of self". Ten percent of the population have some knowledge of self [i.e. the real truth], however, they use this knowledge to wield control over the eighty-five percent vs. "liberating" them [most baptist preachers, including Rev. Jesse Jackson are believed to be in this category]. Lastly, he considered the remaining five percent to be those who thought/believed like himself and his followers. The "poor, righteous teachers", the ones who do possess knowledge of themselves, their origins, and the way the world system really is -- and additionally, the way in which the new world order will come about. Their job/mission is to educate the eighty-five percent to what this hidden or veiled knowledge really is. [in the last few years, they have preferred to be called the Nation of Gods and Earths. The men are referred to as "gods" and the women are referred to as "earths"] - I have been informed recently by a member that Allah "The Father" , Clarence 13X, said that after 1967 they would no longer be known as the 5% Nation of Islam, but as Allah's Nation of Gods and Earths.

3.) How did this message spread?

This message was delivered as a street rap that mesmerized New York City youth. They won converts by the hundreds. Today the group numbers in the tens of thousands in NYC alone. This message was also well-timed, as the 1960's were obviously a time of great struggle for blacks in America. This was a message [very similar to the black supremacist doctrines of the NOI] that made black youths feel superior in a world where they were viewed as wholly inferior.

4.) How popular is it?

Well it is popular among many African-American male youth, especially in poor, urban areas. However, this thinking is also embraced by well off individuals. Its popularity is helped along by many R&B/Hip-Hop artists. Erykah Badu, Nas, Common, Wu-Tang, Busta Rhymes, and countless others have their lyrics laced with 5% doctrine. In addition to using these beliefs in their music some rap artists like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Lakim Shabazz have used the 5% flag on their album covers. Their numbers are believed to be in the hundreds of thousands, however they personally claim many more members. The concentration of Five Percenters is believed to be the highest on the East Coast, not coincidentally to be the location of the birth of rap and hip hop music. The major cities that boast the largest African-American populations can be known to have a significant number of Five Percent adherents. These cities include: New York, New Jersey, New Haven, Washington D.C., Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Baltimore and Atlanta (to name a few). This belief system has been embraced by some internationally as well.

5.) What are the requirements for membership?

The requirements of "official" membership in the Five Percent are unclear. They do not have organized affiliation. A Five Percenter will frequently say that they simply came into knowledge of self, or better yet, the "fact" that the "Asiatic Black Man" is God... It is more a way of life and they would shun any reference to them being a "religion". They do refer to "knowledging 120" (120 refers to their lessons which are virtually identical to the Supreme Wisdom originated by Elijah Muhammed and W.D. Fard). This question of whether they have knowledged (mastered/understood) these lessons appears to be rather important because often you will hear them say: "I knowledged 120 in [plug year in here]". In many dialogues or "builds" among themselves, disagreements are usually met with challenges to a member's knowledge of 120.

Suffice it to say that this step of absorbing the lessons likely separates the babies from the seasoned, and at the same time can expose a perpetrator. As indicated on a section of their homepage, they appear to really keep up with the rap artists level of commitment to their teachings, regardless of whether or not they pepper their lyrics with their lingo.

There are also, Parliaments and Schools that the members attend, which are rallys/meeting places where lessons are distributed and members can listen to speakers and meet others.

6.) Do they have a holy book or some by-laws?

NGE/Five Percent concepts are often circulated as lessons. They are made up of the following:

The Supreme Mathematics

The Supreme Alphabet

The Student Enrollment (1-10)*

The Lost Found Muslim Lesson No.1 (1-14)*

English Lesson C-1 (1-36)*

The Lost Found Muslim Lesson No.2 (1-40)*

The Actual Facts*

<li>The Solar Facts

*Lessons marked with an asterisk can be found here: Supreme Wisdom.

Additionally there is an emphasis on knowing the history of the Five Percent, having an understanding of the Nation's flag and being aware of Clarence 13X's legacy. Another lesson, Teachings for the Civilized, is also of some interest. There is an underground newspaper that is offered by subscription only. I have also discovered a newsletter called The Black 7. You can download a pdf version of it here. (warning: potentially long download depending on your connection). The lessons and paper have a wide circulation in prisons, where the Five Percent have mounted a significant outreach campaign. Underground books are circulated as well. Common terminology that originated with the Five Percent: "Break it down", "droppin' science", "sup G [God]?", "word", "peace", "word is bond", and "represent".

This sounds like a bad combo of Louis Farrakhan's numerology bull**** and the Bible code idiots.

[commyderm2]

This sounds like a bad combo of Louis Farrakhan's numerology bull**** and the Bible code idiots.

Farrakhan is actually NOI.. 5%ers are the less spiritual little sister of the NOI

[PleaseBlitz]

Holy **** am i confused.

Is this thread still about rap?