boobiemiles Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I'm wondering if some one can tell me how the ideas of God, good, and evil, Satan and hell, came from? I know how the Earth was formed, I know Adam and Eve where made up as a creation myth, all cultures have one. But where did the very notion of an idea, where did that come from. In short the idea that something spawned all of this and put in motion makes me believe there is a God/goddess, some form of imponent consciousness made all of this happen. So where did it come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Well, since, this isn't dealing w/ the mass of the Universe, it isn't beyond my knowledge base, but I would have to kill you if I told you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I know Adam and Eve where made up as a creation myth, all cultures have one. How do you know? Are you certain? What is this knowledge you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Consciousness? Where have you been--philosophers solved that problem in the 18th century! Oh wait. No, they haven't. No one has in human history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 It is the only rational explanation that bridges the gap in our understanding of the infinite universe. Thinking that our universe is infinite is not rational, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNSTONE Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I'm wondering if some one can tell me how the ideas of God, good, and evil, Satan and hell, came from? I know how the Earth was formed, I know Adam and Eve where made up as a creation myth, all cultures have one. But where did the very notion of an idea, where did that come from. In short the idea that something spawned all of this and put in motion makes me believe there is a God/goddess, some form of imponent consciousness made all of this happen. So where did it come from? What came first the chicken or the egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 What came first the chicken or the egg? Case in point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Having a conception of an infinite universe is irrational, but having a conception of an infinite Creator isn't? Oh wait--are you the guy who argues that the existence of pi proves that there's a Creator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Having a conception of an infinite universe is irrational, but having a conception of an infinite Creator isn't?Oh wait--are you the guy who argues that the existence of pi proves that there's a Creator? Something can not come from nothing. Oh wait-- are you the guy who argues that nothing is something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Something can not come from nothing.Oh wait-- are you the guy who argues that nothing is something? Sorry--I just read my last post and realized that it came across as awfully condescending and flippant. I didn't mean for it to be. I don't think that nothing is something. I just want to point out that everyone has a conception of the infinite. And it was an honest question--were you the "pi" guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 How do you know? Are you certain? What is this knowledge you speak of? Zguy, are you admitting to being agnostic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 And it was an honest question--were you the "pi" guy? What is the circumference of a circle with a radius of 10 cm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK9973 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Except not everyone has a consciousness. Pschopaths don't. And in different cultures, consciousness is different, telling me that it can be changed based on enviorment. (I.E - Making a young child work long hours. Not consciousable to me, but in some countries...). So perhaps consciousness is just a evealutionary trait to help confirm to society. Those that are able to quickly understand and except societies norms and rules, and to belive in them, obviously survive and reproduce. Those that never do, are ussally outside of society and will die off. To be honest -I didn't say it, but to me, the exsistance of pi to me is a better argument for God then consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 What is the circumference of a circle with a radius of 10 cm? Yup, i thought it was you. Was that two years ago? My how time flies...and yet nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Zguy, are you admitting to being agnostic? You wish! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Except not everyone has a consciousness. ... I think you're talking about conscience here rather than consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Except not everyone has a consciousness. Pschopaths don't. And in different cultures, consciousness is different, telling me that it can be changed based on enviorment. (I.E - Making a young child work long hours. Not consciousable to me, but in some countries...). So perhaps consciousness is just a evealutionary trait to help confirm to society. Those that are able to quickly understand and except societies norms and rules, and to belive in them, obviously survive and reproduce. Those that never do, are ussally outside of society and will die off. To be honest -I didn't say it, but to me, the exsistance of pi to me is a better argument for God then consciousness. I think you might be confusing conscience with consciousness. Or maybe the opening poster is? :whoknows:EDIT: man, you aussies are fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 What came first the chicken or the egg? The egg. Evolution explains how the egg came first, or you can take a 'chicken' on faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Except not everyone has a consciousness. Pschopaths don't. And in different cultures, consciousness is different, telling me that it can be changed based on enviorment. (I.E - Making a young child work long hours. Not consciousable to me, but in some countries...). So perhaps consciousness is just a evealutionary trait to help confirm to society. Those that are able to quickly understand and except societies norms and rules, and to belive in them, obviously survive and reproduce. Those that never do, are ussally outside of society and will die off. To be honest -I didn't say it, but to me, the exsistance of pi to me is a better argument for God then consciousness. You're talking about conscience (as in a sense of right and wrong). I think he's referring to consciousness (as in self-awareness). *EDIT* I never edit to reflect that another poster got there first, so don't expect me to start now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 This explains EVERYTHING: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 The egg.Evolution explains how the egg came first, or you can take a 'chicken' on faith. Evolution did not "lay" the first egg.........or create the first chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Somebody needs to PM PeterMP that he has another thread to monitor... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Somebody needs to PM PeterMP that he has another thread to monitor... :laugh: I got this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Evolution did not "lay" the first egg.... Ah, but evolution explains how a chicken can come from an egg laid by a non-chicken. ........or create the first chicken. No we've already established that the egg did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I'm wondering if some one can tell me how the ideas of God, good, and evil, Satan and hell, came from? My serious answer is that these things came from God, and we know about them because He told us. I just thought that someone should get that out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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