WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Was that a joke? Seriously, I really don't understand. Read the post above this one and allow me to enlighten you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Again, the one constant in our now four year offensive struggle is Joe Gibbs. All the problems we have now we had BEFORE Saunders was hired. That said, we have had some major injuries to our o-line that have no doubt scared Gibbs. I still think this offense could come together pretty nicely as the season progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Again, the one constant in our now four year offensive struggle is Joe Gibbs. All the problems we have now we had BEFORE Saunders was hired. That said, we have had some major injuries to our o-line that have no doubt scared Gibbs. I still think this offense could come together pretty nicely as the season progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Look at the O-line Saunders had in KC. The same doubts that are being cast on Larry Johnson right now could easily be said about Al. I am certain that Al knows what he is doing, though, and wants to run a modern offense in Washington, but, the current o-line is less than HALF of what he had to work with in KC in that regard. We may not even see Saunders real offense until 2008 assuming the O-line is Samuels/Kendall/Rabach/Thomas/Wade or Jansen or Heyer. To answer your question more directly: No, I don't think Saunders is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Look at the O-line Saunders had in KC. The same doubts that are being cast on Larry Johnson right now could easily be said about Al. I am certain that Al knows what he is doing, though, and wants to run a modern offense in Washington, but, the current o-line is less than HALF of what he had to work with in KC in that regard. We may not even see Saunders real offense until 2008 assuming the O-line is Samuels/Kendall/Rabach/Thomas/Wade or Jansen or Heyer. To answer your question more directly: No, I don't think Saunders is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Two things before I pull my hair out at all the idiocy:1) It is SAUNDERS who made it so that our running backs had huge holes last year (once the offense got its feet under them.) It's why Betts had over 1,000 yards. Like ANY offense, they DO need healthy and quality offensive linemen but it's clear what Saunders brought in the running game. 2) Though Saunders may have some flaws (which KC fans might be able to tell us about,) overall production is NOT ONE OF THEM. What you see here is a product of poor QB play (Brunell) or inexperience (Campbell) or injury (uh, nearly our entire O-line.) He was able to have offenses that featured no receivers of any great height or weight (outside of TE, of course) and they were always near the top. The people critical of Saunders are, almost without exception, way too attached to 2005, when they mistakenly believe that somehow Gibbs had found his stride. He didn't. OUr offense stank when it counted most, partly due to injury (running Portis into the ground because the passing offense stank) but mostly due to Gibbs' choices in personnel or playcalling. We were an Antonio Brown return TD away from blowing 2005 too. We won 5 games in a row over mostly very inferior opponents, some without their starting QB (Philly, StL, I can't remember if Arizona was one also.) Yes, we killed Dallas but that was because the defense put the offense in GREAT positions and it was a rivalry game for which the team was pumped up. Awesome post, Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Two things before I pull my hair out at all the idiocy:1) It is SAUNDERS who made it so that our running backs had huge holes last year (once the offense got its feet under them.) It's why Betts had over 1,000 yards. Like ANY offense, they DO need healthy and quality offensive linemen but it's clear what Saunders brought in the running game. 2) Though Saunders may have some flaws (which KC fans might be able to tell us about,) overall production is NOT ONE OF THEM. What you see here is a product of poor QB play (Brunell) or inexperience (Campbell) or injury (uh, nearly our entire O-line.) He was able to have offenses that featured no receivers of any great height or weight (outside of TE, of course) and they were always near the top. The people critical of Saunders are, almost without exception, way too attached to 2005, when they mistakenly believe that somehow Gibbs had found his stride. He didn't. OUr offense stank when it counted most, partly due to injury (running Portis into the ground because the passing offense stank) but mostly due to Gibbs' choices in personnel or playcalling. We were an Antonio Brown return TD away from blowing 2005 too. We won 5 games in a row over mostly very inferior opponents, some without their starting QB (Philly, StL, I can't remember if Arizona was one also.) Yes, we killed Dallas but that was because the defense put the offense in GREAT positions and it was a rivalry game for which the team was pumped up. Awesome post, Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEGSKINS Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 no , al is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEGSKINS Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 no , al is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I don't think Saunders is the whole problem. I think Gibbs needs to let Saunders do his job by himself. If it weren't for Gibbs, I think the Arizona game would have been more far spread out. Changing the offensive philosophy because of the defensive play is just stupid. Keep the offense on the field as long as possible even if that means not pounding the ball on the ground. Fact is though, we are 4-2 and hopefully we can get a win out of our trip to NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I don't think Saunders is the whole problem. I think Gibbs needs to let Saunders do his job by himself. If it weren't for Gibbs, I think the Arizona game would have been more far spread out. Changing the offensive philosophy because of the defensive play is just stupid. Keep the offense on the field as long as possible even if that means not pounding the ball on the ground. Fact is though, we are 4-2 and hopefully we can get a win out of our trip to NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RideorDieChic Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 talking about our coaches is a touch subject. I love and respect Coach Gibbs and his legacy; but aside from the multiple players injured, in terms of coaching Al Saunders playbook is not what ails us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RideorDieChic Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 talking about our coaches is a touch subject. I love and respect Coach Gibbs and his legacy; but aside from the multiple players injured, in terms of coaching Al Saunders playbook is not what ails us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I recall the chiefs running sweeps and screens to Priest Holmes behind the best line in football, not attacking deep. Be honest. How many Chiefs games have you watched over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I recall the chiefs running sweeps and screens to Priest Holmes behind the best line in football, not attacking deep. Be honest. How many Chiefs games have you watched over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 4. We'd be a pretty darn good team if Al Saunders would be more aggressive or Coach Gibbs took over the play calling. So you think it is Al Saunders not Joe Gibbs, who is too conservative? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 4. We'd be a pretty darn good team if Al Saunders would be more aggressive or Coach Gibbs took over the play calling. So you think it is Al Saunders not Joe Gibbs, who is too conservative? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrett Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 saunders isn't the problem, gibbs is the one who's overriding plays the last 2 plays of the giants game.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrett Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 saunders isn't the problem, gibbs is the one who's overriding plays the last 2 plays of the giants game.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Hines Ward, ARE and (before the SB year) Plaxico Burress wanted to say hello. . Wasn't one of the reasons Plax left was because he didn't like the offense(too run oriented)?? The Steelers only let Big Ben throw about 18-25 times a game and power rushed their way to the playoffs. It wasn't until the Denver game that Cowher allowed Whisenhunt to open the offense up. Hell, look at the Chargers of the last few years: run run run..throw it to Gates and run some more. To say a power running game doesn't work in this league anymore is flat out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Hines Ward, ARE and (before the SB year) Plaxico Burress wanted to say hello. . Wasn't one of the reasons Plax left was because he didn't like the offense(too run oriented)?? The Steelers only let Big Ben throw about 18-25 times a game and power rushed their way to the playoffs. It wasn't until the Denver game that Cowher allowed Whisenhunt to open the offense up. Hell, look at the Chargers of the last few years: run run run..throw it to Gates and run some more. To say a power running game doesn't work in this league anymore is flat out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviedude25 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 saunders isn't the problem, gibbs is the one who's overriding plays I admit that I missed the memo that said Gibbs was over ridding the plays that Saunders was calling. I've been basing my Saunders bashing on the premise that Gibbs didn't touch the play calling anymore but if that's inaccurate then I want to retract my previous statements here. The playing recently has been HORRIBLE and I was blaming Saunders for it but if Gibbs is the reason for this then I want him gone. I'm tired of this broken expirence of Gibbs 2. Since he returned nothings gone right and we've wasted years of playing time for our players we can't get back. I want a new coach if Gibbs is too stupid to get out of the way then I hope Snyder removes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviedude25 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 saunders isn't the problem, gibbs is the one who's overriding plays I admit that I missed the memo that said Gibbs was over ridding the plays that Saunders was calling. I've been basing my Saunders bashing on the premise that Gibbs didn't touch the play calling anymore but if that's inaccurate then I want to retract my previous statements here. The playing recently has been HORRIBLE and I was blaming Saunders for it but if Gibbs is the reason for this then I want him gone. I'm tired of this broken expirence of Gibbs 2. Since he returned nothings gone right and we've wasted years of playing time for our players we can't get back. I want a new coach if Gibbs is too stupid to get out of the way then I hope Snyder removes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 You're attacking the wrong coach. Blame Gibbs because he is the one not letting Saunders do his job. What's obvious to me is that Gibbs likes to run the ball first, whereas Saunders like to throw the ball. Back in the air coryell days, Gibbs too liked passing the ball more than running it. But when he became a head coach, his philosophy changed. He started relying on running the ball more and more. IMHO, Saunders is closer to Coryell in terms of offensive philosophy than Gibbs will ever be. Gibbs is the reason why our offense sucks. Since Gibbs became our head coach, our offense has just stunk. His offensive philosophy is outdated, period. Football has passed him by. He isn't that good anymore. I'm gonna say this. If Gibbs retires, and Gregg Williams becomes our coach and Saunders is our offensive coordinator, we'll win multiple superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 You're attacking the wrong coach. Blame Gibbs because he is the one not letting Saunders do his job. What's obvious to me is that Gibbs likes to run the ball first, whereas Saunders like to throw the ball. Back in the air coryell days, Gibbs too liked passing the ball more than running it. But when he became a head coach, his philosophy changed. He started relying on running the ball more and more. IMHO, Saunders is closer to Coryell in terms of offensive philosophy than Gibbs will ever be. Gibbs is the reason why our offense sucks. Since Gibbs became our head coach, our offense has just stunk. His offensive philosophy is outdated, period. Football has passed him by. He isn't that good anymore. I'm gonna say this. If Gibbs retires, and Gregg Williams becomes our coach and Saunders is our offensive coordinator, we'll win multiple superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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