SkinsNatsFan Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Since the Redskins now have only Landry to work with regarding a contract prior to training camp, I looked for more information about his agent. Obviously I would really like to see Landry make it in for the first day of camp so that he doesn't have a holdout working against him as he works towards getting into the starting lineup. It appears to me that holdouts, especially long holdouts, often seem to be agent related rather than team or player related. This is a little info about Segal's history and recent history with regard to first round picks and contracts/holdouts from an article about Reggie Bush's potential holdout on the day the Saints were to report to training camp... http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-24/1153982848142040.xml&coll=1 Since Segal negotiated his initial contract for a first-round draft pick in 1993, his clients have experienced holdouts from zero to 25 days. Segal has represented 13 first-round draft choices. Of those first-round picks, four have not missed any camp time, successfully coming to terms by the time of their team's first practice. One, John Copeland, one of Segal's first clients, missed a total of 25 days -- virtually all of the Cincinnati Bengals' 1993 training camp. Bush held out 2 days.Others he represents ... http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070529/cltu099.html?.v=45 An impressive roster of NFL clients will join Segal in the move to Blue Equity, including Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush, Quarterbacks Jason Campbell and Tarvaris Jackson, rookie standout Marques Colston, Pro Bowlers DeAngelo Hall, Muhsin Muhammad, Darren Sharper, Will Smith and Michael Vick, as well as three 2007 first round draft picks Levi Brown (#5), LaRon Landry (#6) and Craig Davis (#30). Segal was the only agent to have two picks in the top ten in this year's draft. Strictly from an agent's history point of view it seems like a long holdout is unlikely, although there was definitely a lot of posturing prior to Bush signing. But I do wonder how Segal representing the both 5th and the 6th picks this year will help and/or hurt the chances of Landry being able to report to camp on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 *in a monotone voice* Give my client his money, or else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 LaRon is a bust, who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 ^ is this guy really braggin about having a thread mentioned on Riggo's show? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hate holdouts. They are rookies. Prove yourself before you hold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hate holdouts. They are rookies. Prove yourself before you hold out. If Sean Taylor held out, he would have received a much better deal. We don't have a strong history of paying our own players that out perform their rookie contract. Cooley being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 LaRon is a bust, who cares? :laugh::laugh::laugh: I love good jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuraitengai Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hate holdouts. They are rookies. Prove yourself before you hold out.my thoughts exactly...just be glad someone wanted you in the first place. then go out and play with a chip on your shoulder and make people want to get in a bidding war over your services come free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 my thoughts exactly...just be glad someone wanted you in the first place. then go out and play with a chip on your shoulder and make people want to get in a bidding war over your services come free agency. They're usually more agent related than player related. It's usually that the agent wants more for his 3% cut than the initial offer so he holds his client out in order to make his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I think the Skins and Landry will hammer out a deal right before camp begins. I think Coach Williams and Coach Gibbs know its important to have LL in camp to get down the Defensive scheme. I think a deal will get done with no holdout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 ^ is this guy really braggin about having a thread mentioned on Riggo's show? :laugh: What thread was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 LaRon is a bust, who cares? do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer5500 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Holdouts are really crappy things to pull. You signed a 4 year contract, so play for 4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA SKINS! Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 They're usually more agent related than player related. It's usually that the agent wants more for his 3% cut than the initial offer so he holds his client out in order to make his money. Very good point! Sadly its all about the money, both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideshow24 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I think the Skins and Landry will hammer out a deal right before camp begins. I think Coach Williams and Coach Gibbs know its important to have LL in camp to get down the Defensive scheme. I think a deal will get done with no holdout. :hammer: :hammer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hate holdouts. They are rookies. Prove yourself before you hold out. i agree, but the reality of the situation is that rookies get paid good money right out of college, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. this is the one area the NBA has right. rookie contracts are already in place, and capped off. never once do you hear stories of NBA rookies holding out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant15fromNJ Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Landry better be signed by training camp he needs to get used to our defense and our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 We don't have a strong history of paying our own players that out perform their rookie contract. Cooley being one. Has it been annouced that we're not re-signing Cooley? If not, then this statement makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappun2007 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 LaRon is a bust, who cares? Someone obviously wants some attention. Because that is a idiotic statement. Especially when the guy hasn't played a snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 One note to all that is that extended holdouts often end up costing the player in the long run. From the goodwill of the fanbase which equates to marketing potential to the reduced ability to play at a high level out of the gate in the NFL. Holding out simply rarely pays off in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 ^ is this guy really braggin about having a thread mentioned on Riggo's show? :laugh: I > You Riggo > Me > You :laugh::laugh::laugh: I love good jokes. I think we all do, yet everyone will think I'm serious do you mean by that? http://www.answers.com/bust&r=67 Someone obviously wants some attention. Because that is a idiotic statement. Especially when the guy hasn't played a snap. He was trash and college, he'll be the same in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hate holdouts. They are rookies. Prove yourself before you hold out. That's a terrible idea IMO. They shouldn't just let the teams they play for take advantage of them like that. They pretty much know how much they are worth, and they should get as much as they can. The only thing I would have a problem is would be if they're asking too much, which is probably more of a fault of their agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 The only worrisome thing is the later first round picks haven't begun to fall in line since Olsen signed with the Bears. We'll need to see a lot more picks get signed before Landry so he knows how good his deal looks. We are at the mercy of the rest of the league to get their picks signed as to whether he will holdout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit 33 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i agree, but the reality of the situation is that rookies get paid good money right out of college, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.this is the one area the NBA has right. rookie contracts are already in place, and capped off. never once do you hear stories of NBA rookies holding out exzactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 some of us fans look at holdouts as player greed when really its just a matter of perception. lets say you make 20 dollars an hour. one of your fellow employees (who is not as good at his job as you are) just signed a 10 year contract for 40 dollars and hour with a huge signing bonus. the company you work for doesnt want to let you go so they make you there franchise employee guaranteeing you 45 dollars an hour with no bonus but for only one year and if you get hurt or your performance drops you are out on your ass. I for one would want the long contract and would probably holdout for it. now people are gonna say but thats different these guys are making millions but like i said its a matter of perception, the guy who works at burger king making minimum wage would probably call me a greedy s.o.b. for not being happy making so much more than he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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