DirtySkin21 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 helll no, who said anything about draft picks... put that word back into your pocket this is if he's cut due to cap room issues. then we will pick him up.. No one even brought up that word but you. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 If he's released, 1 of 2 things will happen: 1) He will sign with someone else or 2) He will sign here for way more than he deserves Those are the only options.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21ppg=superbowl Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 i'll take any help we can get on the dline - it needs to get better somehow before the season starts. getting rice for a short-term contract at a low price would be great, but i'm not sure if that's even possible. i think he'd be looking to get paid pretty good by somebody with guaranteed money. and if we're talking about spending big cash or signing long term contracts, i'll go window shopping, too. i want aaron schobel from the bills. ... beastly and underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 We'll pass on him. Spend the money else where. We have enough people in camp to compete for playing time. Let's see what we got in the locker room/camp before worrying about a 33 year old Rice. There's 6-8 DE's ready to battle for playing time. One of the young one's might surprise. Not to mention that Rice will be more concerned about his Sack totals than playing the scheme. And that will get us into trouble. I say stand pat and use what we have on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 so some people DON'T want a 33 year old Sam Adams who can take up blockers with his size, but DO want a 33 year old Simeon Rice who's skill requires speed and quickness?If we can find a third down rusher out of one of the young guys signed in the off-season (Jamal Green, Hickman, Sykes), Daniels will be fine for 1st and 2nd down - and he's good against the run. Not me. I don't want either, unless we suffer an injury, then maybe. I've said it a million times now that the Redskins shouldn't be taking players off the scrap heap, but instead developing the young ones we acquire (which is why holding onto draft picks is important). Let the old guys like Adams, Rice, Favre, Keyshawn, etc. eat up someone else's money. Enough of the "hired gun" philosophy that never pays off (when the "guns" are in their mid thirties or so). Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I heard from a couple of ground hogs that the Chargers were going to let go of Shawn Merriman maybe the Skins should sign Merriman to a 2 year contract or maybe the ground hogs to a scouting job. Sorry, but we arent interested in Merriman. He gets far to many sacks to be effective, and considering all the sacks he gets, he probobly is weak against the run(plus, sacks arent important). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 helll no, who said anything about draft picks... put that word back into your pocketthis is if he's cut due to cap room issues. then we will pick him up.. No one even brought up that word but you. haha I have in over a dozen threads involving Rice. If we traded a late round pick to the Bucs, who will cut him anyway, we won't get into and possibly lose a bidding war for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I'll repeat as I've said before, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 and yeah, griffin is already in the middle. that's why i said.....Originally Posted by DirtySkin21He could be opposite carter and have griffin in the middle. because I would rather have an Old simeon rice rather then an old philip daniels. No you wouldn't. Daniels is very very good against the run. Thats why he is a strong side end. If we didn't have a run stuffer on the edge, it would hurt us. Rice takes running plays off, we need him to hold his blocks. The guy is know to have a bad additude and not be a team player. Not what we need. That being said, i've always been a big fan of his and I think Williams could find a use for him. Our LB's are good upfield players who might be situationally able to handle some of his duties and let him attack. I used to be very into this idea and tryed to start the get him rumor going before the draft, but now I don't like it so much. I'de rather see us trade a high pick for Schobel or Betts for Kampman or just leave it alone and hope Daniels stays healthy and a young guy steps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsniper1 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The guy had 2 sacks when he was 32, he is 33 now, how many can he "rack up" now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 What? And not take a shot at someone for not hearing news when it comes out? That is all some people do on message boards. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 No you wouldn't. Daniels is very very good against the run. Thats why he is a strong side end. If we didn't have a run stuffer on the edge, it would hurt us. Im not so sure Daniels is as good against the run as people maintain he is. I think a lot of that opinion stems from him NOT being good against the pass, and still being the starter(plus hes a vet), so therefor, he must be good against the run. I watched the Dallas at Skins game this week. Decided since id seen it so many times, id watch the DLine. Mind you, it was only one game, but if other games during the season were similar, Daniels looked pretty dang bad. Against the pass, not only was he failing to get pressure, but when the QB rolled to his side, and nobody was between him and the QB, he was slower than molasses in winter, going uphill. Griffin was BLOWING past him trying to get to the QB. Against the run, he didnt fair much better, he was getting blown up on plays, and getting pushed completely out of position. In one play, hes the strongside end, the Cowboys throw a pitch to his side(hes the only DLinemen out that far), and the TE(didnt get help from anyone else) just blocks down on him and shoved him so far back inside he looked silly. A second later, the RB is running outside for a nice gain, and Daniels is standing where the QB was, behind center. If you run a toss play, and the TE takes the DE on that side 10 yards out of the play, you are going to have some big gains running the ball. Im just not so sure hes as good against the run as people say he is, ive yet to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileCoyote Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Unless he becomes cheap then don't bother considering it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 No thanks, he's too old IMO. I'd rather draft someone next year than take TB's leftovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 A team must manage its cap sapce wisely if it's going to go to the paloffs. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Let the old guys like Adams, Rice, Favre, Keyshawn, etc. eat up someone else's money. Enough of the "hired gun" philosophy that never pays off (when the "guns" are in their mid thirties or so). Adams wouldn't be a "hired gun", but rather be added to a rotation and would probably come for reasonable money. Not to mention knows and likes Williams' system. - He would bring value. Rice or Keyshawn will expect starting jobs and starters money - neither of which we are looking for or need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatSkins27 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 vet min plus incentives...even if he is just 3rd downs and situational pass rush he would help out in certain "packages" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit 33 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The guy had 2 sacks when he was 32, he is 33 now, how many can he "rack up" now? Rice only played in 8 games last year. In those 8 games he was not at full strength. The four years previous to last year Rice totaled 56 1/2 sacks. If the Skins can get him a reasonable dollar amount, the Skins should get him. The skins need D-line help, but some of you insist the Skins do not. Skins get D-line help, but do it in a cost effective way. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justsomeguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Rice will not sign for Vet minimum. Just wait till June so we know who is availible and how many offers we would have to out bid before we make any even partial decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 After june 1, there may be several DEs that could help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 After june 1, there may be several DEs that could help us. I'd rather have Sam Adams!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins3000 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 :applause: ....oh I mean :laugh: ... was that supposed to be funny? because I was being dead serious. I'm sorry I go to college full time and have a job and i can't save every reference I read an article from. What article was this already discussed in because I havent seen it? Or since that it's already been discussed no one is allowed to answer my question? because i still dont know, tahts why im asking. I wasn't asking for smart ass remarks. I'm getting tired of the some of the responses a lot of you little punks who have a smart ass little computer mouth and run it constantly online. I thought we were all family in here, why so much hostility and snobbyish towards my question/comment? I dont understand it, some of you act like cowboy fans Point being, this is only a rumor from an unreliable source. For all we know, Rice may renogiate his contract. Secondly, everyone with informative news typically post links not information they paraphrase from a Bucs website. Do you actually think people are going to trust hearsay? For all we know, you might be a Bucs fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Im not so sure Daniels is as good against the run as people maintain he is. I think a lot of that opinion stems from him NOT being good against the pass, and still being the starter(plus hes a vet), so therefor, he must be good against the run.I watched the Dallas at Skins game this week. Decided since id seen it so many times, id watch the DLine. Mind you, it was only one game, but if other games during the season were similar, Daniels looked pretty dang bad. Against the pass, not only was he failing to get pressure, but when the QB rolled to his side, and nobody was between him and the QB, he was slower than molasses in winter, going uphill. Griffin was BLOWING past him trying to get to the QB. Against the run, he didnt fair much better, he was getting blown up on plays, and getting pushed completely out of position. In one play, hes the strongside end, the Cowboys throw a pitch to his side(hes the only DLinemen out that far), and the TE(didnt get help from anyone else) just blocks down on him and shoved him so far back inside he looked silly. A second later, the RB is running outside for a nice gain, and Daniels is standing where the QB was, behind center. If you run a toss play, and the TE takes the DE on that side 10 yards out of the play, you are going to have some big gains running the ball. Im just not so sure hes as good against the run as people say he is, ive yet to see it. I was watching that too. I was paying attention to the backfield more then the line, funny huh. The biggest thing I saw was Lemar getting blown up on every running play. You might be right about Daniels, but he was hurting all year and the whole team played poorly. Next time they replay a game from 05 or so, watch him. I'de love to replace him, but it isn't looking like it'll happen, not with any real impact players. The main point I was trying to make is the "type" of DE we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failing2BOptimistic Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I heard from a couple of ground hogs that the Chargers were going to let go of Shawn Merriman maybe the Skins should sign Merriman to a 2 year contract or maybe the ground hogs to a scouting job. .Are they also handing out gold nuggets too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2k2ndc Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I dont knwo about him, he not that young, and i dont care how old u are, if your good a team will keep you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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