Redskins have a DEFINITE plan.

[mark327]

WTH are you talking about?

It would seem that 007man doesn't like SprintXBombs thread

[skinfan31]

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories about hiding our strategy. But I do believe any move will not be made until draft day. None of the so-called experts ever pick the mock drafts right. I think it's safe to say there will be a few suprises. Hopefully for us they're good ones.

[sackfumble]

They have to figure out a way to get two defensive lineman in here who can contribute to the rotation THIS season.I don't care how they go about doing it-just get it done and guess right on both players.Is that too much to ask for? I'm not asking for pro bowlers.Just guys who can play and make an impact.

Replacing an average left guard or a blocking tight end is the least of our worries.How we address the DT/DE psitions in the next month is crucial to any real success on the field next season IMO.

This crew(FO) guessed right on two players with a high first rounder(Taylor-5th?) and a third rounder(Cooley-81st) who both came in and played well as rookies.I have faith that they can do it again.

[Bantu]

This is a rediculous thread. It is silly....this idea or concept that the Redskins are trying to use misdirection by not signing a defensive end or defensive tackle.

Do you really think that Buffalo or Houston or Cleveland is out there trying NOT to sign players because they don't want the Washingotn Redskins to know what draft pick they are going after? That's absurd!

Most rookies never even make an impact their first year, and some never even play. So why would a team plan their free agency around another teams selection of a rookie draft pick.

The Redskins may indeed have a plan but it does not revolve around what other teams are trying to do up in another city. The Skins know what they're weaknesses are, just like we all do. Anybody wih half a brain knows the Skins were the all time worst team in pass rushing last season. But the real reason they haven't signed pass rushers is because they have a different philosphy. They value cornerbacks more than pass rushers. Every year they go after corners or safeties in the draft or free agency, OR WIDE RECEIVERS. The history is there. Every year their priority is secondary or wide receivers. Otherwise they would have signed Joey Porter. He is a pass rusher and a great one. Better than anyone the Skins have. Otherwise they would have targeted Adalius Thomas. He is a pass rusher. He is better than anyone the Redskins have. They are not interested in pass rushers becauese it does not fit their philosophy. They go after cornerbacks and wide receivers...so don't expect any real improvement in the redksins sack totals this year.

But the Skins have a plan. Their plan, and it has NOTHING to do with what other teams are going to draft.

You need to go back to football basics my friend and start studying all over again.

Uhhhh, I agree that this thread isn't exactly highlighting a correct point. However, I don't agree with the philosophy portion of your argument. If we didn't value pass rushers, a guy like Carter wouldn't have gotten a huge deal to come here. They wouldn't have signed Griffin two years ago, either. They've acquired the same amount of starting CB talent as they have DE talent, i.e. Springs/Rogers and Carter/Daniels. Our WR spending spree is quite odd, yet it does not indicate a WR philosophy. That is an absurd observation. Getting Lloyd and ARE was a bit much I admit, and trading Coles for Moss was an isolated incident that needed to be remedied; however, it does not indicate an off-season philosophy as you imply.

As for the thread's original point, the 'Skins, as well as every single team in the NFL, has a plan. But, they also have a plan B, C, D, E and so on. Trust me, if they're perfect scenario doesn't work out then they have others to fall back on. I can't comment to say how good those plans are, but they are either in place and/or taking shape as we speak.

[bigyim]

But the real reason they haven't signed pass rushers is because they have a different philosphy. They value cornerbacks more than pass rushers. Every year they go after corners or safeties in the draft or free agency, OR WIDE RECEIVERS. The history is there. Every year their priority is secondary or wide receivers. Otherwise they would have signed Joey Porter. He is a pass rusher and a great one. Better than anyone the Skins have. Otherwise they would have targeted Adalius Thomas. He is a pass rusher. He is better than anyone the Redskins have. They are not interested in pass rushers becauese it does not fit their philosophy.

The players you used as examples are OLBs (which we already have starters at) in the 3-4 scheme (which we don't run).

The Redskins staff are not opposed to pass-rushers per se, because we wouldn't have signed Carter last year. They just have to fit the Cover 2/4-3/"46" hybrid defense that Williams runs.

I think you indirectly hit on why the Redskins didn't sign anyone on the DL, though, and it's mainly that there wasn't anyone of note that was available, that has a track record of performance.

I ask anyone reading this to give me a list of players available this year that you could say would have "solved" our pass-rushing issues on the DL.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Has andyman posted at all during this FA period? Maybe something is wrong? Get well soon andyman....and give us some info :laugh:

[Thirtyfive2seven]

WTH are you talking about?

I re-read his thread and I understand what he's talking about.

Recap: He doesn't think that teams plan free agent acquisitions based on who they are going to draft.

That's how I understand it anyway

[bigyim]

FYI, Pastabelly listed his top 50 UFAs this year...only 5 are Def. line:

DE Kearney--signed w/seahawks for almost $20 million (?!@) in guaranteed money.

DT Robaire Smith--still unsigned, but getting up in age

DT Ian Scott--still unsigned

DE Dewayne White--signed w/Lions 5 yrs, $29 Million ($12 mil. guaranteed)

DT Anthony Adams--Still unsigned

So, this year's FA trend seems to inducate:

1. Good starters on the D line are off the market

2. of the ones there, the DEs are signing early for big money (and, I would argue, overinflated contracts)

3. the DTs are unsigned, so they aren't getting the money they expected, or teams aren't making it a priority

As for DE Bobby McRay...even though he got 10 sacks last year, he doesn't even Start w/JAX, and his total # of tackles for his 3 yr. career equals Carter's tackles for last year alone. He's a situation specialist, nothing more. How much do you pay him if you're the Redskins?

[honeydont]

Yes a plan like giving up TWO first round picks for an average looking Jason Campbell. Yes they have a plan-That is scary to behold.

[JLU44]

Once all the information has been gathered, evaluated and scrutinzed a hundred different ways, you can rest assured, the Redskins are going to make their decision count......I seriously gotta believe they already know they could possibly get an "impact" player with that #6 pick. The key word here is "impact" and not just someone who can fill a void, but someone who's going to make a difference for the next few years. Having said this, the next question is; who's that player going to be and subsequently, we can determine what that pick (or player) will be worth. I like WR Calvin Johnson - Georgia Tech and it's intriguing just envisioning the combination of Campbell to Johnson over the next 10 years, but all indications are there are 9 other good receivers in this draft, not to mention a few other variables. Besides who's to say this kid Johnson doesn't turn out to be another Kellen Winslow, much less an "impact" player. Nope, I gotta believe, they're going defense with their #6 pick.....Of course, you can make an argument for OT Joe Thomas - Wisconsin, since there's only 5 good offensive tackles in this class, but Gibbs wants a definite defensive stud (maybe....DE Gaines Adams - Clemson, or DT Alan Branch - Michigan....I heard this kid's a beast in the middle!) and if, he doesn't find that definite stud out there, early in the draft, make no mistake their #6 pick will be dealt for a series of draft picks. The Redskins will then resign themselves to dropping back, possibly in the first round, and filling a few other needs. I'm sure they'll make the right decision..........and remember, In Gibbs We Trust!

[tone_dubbz]

yeah, we need a DE to get pressure on the QB. But we also need a DT to clog the wholes in the middle, because teams were running all over us last year.

[SHYSTER411]

We need 2 drafts....

[D-Day]

That is why they have a draft BOARD filled with all of the available players in order that they want them. That way, when a player is drafted by an other team, they just move to the next available on their board.

That is the reason we don't have a 2nd this year, because we did trade ahead and another team picked a unexpected player, so we got a player we could have had at our original pick with the loss of a second rounder.

[NewCliche21]

The Redskins always have a plan.

It's just, for the most part, always been a bad one.

[[[ghost]]]

yea reading between the lines on a couple rumors i think its safe to say we have some draft day scenario's all planned out.

Makes you kind of proud, doesn't it?

Like, back in the day, Danny boy would just ignore draft day, and spend the big bucks. And now he's matured, and holding himself pat, and actually somewhat showing a little respect towards teh draft.

[Aston]

The players you used as examples are OLBs (which we already have starters at) in the 3-4 scheme (which we don't run).

:applause:

To the original poster, my only concern with the Redskins "plan" is that it will inevitabley focus too much on this season's success and not enough on the future of the organization.

I dig the way Danny Boy does business and have nothing but respect and admiration at his ability to make and spend money. He clearly wants to win and no amount of money will slow him down from trying.

However, over the last 7 seasons, our track record for taking big name FAs (and subsequent quick fix, must-win-it-all-this-season attitude) over building through the draft speaks for itself in our 54-58 record.

They have a plan alright. The plan's outcome is to win the Super Bowl in 2008 by whatever means necessary, rather creating a foundation on which to build a powerhouse franchise a la the New England Patriots of recent years.

And the Patriots success is simple - QUALITY DEPTH. Scott Pioli, New England's personnel guru and polar opposite of Vinny Cerato, is the unsung hero of their success and who Syner should really spend his money trying to get instead of another FA:

The primary objective of Pioli's personnel philosophy is to build a team, not to simply collect individual talent. As a result, the Patriots have been able to prosper despite the NFL realities of injuries and the salary cap, which have proven in the past to be impediments to long-term success in pro football. In each of the last three seasons, the depth and versatility of New England's roster helped overcome key injuries to win three straight AFC East titles. In 2005, the Patriots utilized 45 different starters, setting a postmerger NFL record for a division champion. In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion. In 2004, the Patriots employed 40 different starters as they won their second consecutive Super Bowl. Of the 53 players on the Patriots' final 2005 roster, 39 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001. In an era of NFL parity and economic balance, the Patriots' personnel philosophy has helped to consistently build championship teams that have been greater than the sum of their parts.

Finding the next Pioli should be the plan.

[DieselPwr44]

With the Arch, Lloyd and McIntosh moves as precedent ... there is no evidence or confidence that the Skins FO will do anything brilliant come Draft time.

Nice of you to convieniently leave out the Taylor,Moss,Portis,Cooley,Washington,Griffin,Springs and Betts moves.

Selective history at it's dead level best.

[NCskins06]

I agree, let's just hope it isn't getting worked over by the Broncos as usual.

[Johnny Condomseed]

im not too sure about what the skins are doing as far as free agents,,,but hopefully they can get it right this time around

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

not a clue why our FO hasnt talked with Ian Scott yet.

[RFKFedEx]

The Vinny sound bite they play on 980 is hilarious.

It goes a little something like:

"don't panic, don't worry folks, we have a plan and we know what we're doing".

I think he said it sometime during OBC's 22 months at the healm. 980 has been playing it for a few years now.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I don't doubt they have a PLAN. My serious concern is that the PLAN may be built on Jell-O rather than a nice solid concrete foundation.

[SPRINTxBOMB]

I believe they have a plan. I believe its a good one. I dont believe that Joe Gibbs will repeat past mistakes unless they are named Brunell. And even then, I can kinda see where he was coming from. Although the " super smart " thing was kinda aggrevating.

2 years ago when the Skins had a relatively quiet off-season ( Rabach and Patten were our big signs) and nobody knew we would win big on the Coles for Moss deal I think the feeling among the fans was that the FO had learned from past mistakes and opted for continuity and all was good in Redskins land.

Then we made the play-offs! (a blessing and a curse! )

A blessing because we enjoyed the hell out of it, and a curse because it meant that the team could not turn to the young QB we had just traded up to select in the 1st round.

And the fact that we were knocking on the door of the NFC championship ( especially when Alexander went out early with a concussion ) Brunells age became a real factor in the off-season.

The FO decided to " load up " for what they believed would be a real run at a title.

That didnt happen. So here we are right back down to earth and following a team that appears to be dedicated to fiscal responsability and charactor and winning, both long and short term.

I like the way this is playing out. And I have a really good feeling that the Redskins will emerge victorious this off-season and more importantly... ON THE FIELD!

[SPRINTxBOMB]

Wow... All of the immediate and incessant whining over my " Browns to the Superbowl " thread has somehow actually paid off for the countless " how dare you start a new thread " and the " I cant believe the Mods let you talk about poop "cry-babies around here... Unbelieveable.

It was a very legit thread. Not sure where in the rules it says that " Any and all humor will not be tolerated here at ES!!! "

Jeez... Lighten up guys.

[hamptonskinsfan]

all i have to say about this whole thing is ........ YES the skins have a plan (if not multiple plans) for the draft to address our needs. what alot of people are forgetting are after the draft we still have the june 1st cuts. so hear me out we pick up an impact player (or two) in the draft and pick up what else we need in free agency after the june 1st cuts. no need throwing money out there at people who want too much when you can get a june 1st casualty who usually will take a vet min contract because he is already getting paid by his former team.