#21Taylor4Ever Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 How about Mario Williams and their 1st? I know it sounds crazy for them, but they NEED Quinn badly. We could then draft Jarrett with their pick OR trade down to get more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I can't believe I'm gonna say this....but it's starting to look like CJ could realistically be available at six. You guys are with me right? If he's available, you can't pass up on that unless you're getting an unbelievable trade, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I think Quinn might fall A LA leinart. But not as far if he gets to our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 i don't see how the browns could pass on Quinn When you have a GM and a coach on the hot seat, you dont select a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I can't believe I'm gonna say this....but it's starting to look like CJ could realistically be available at six. You guys are with me right? If he's available, you can't pass up on that unless you're getting an unbelievable trade, right? you should start a thread about this, itd be an interesting topic to debate. *stabs myself in face yet again* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 That makes sense because Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, who finally seems convinced that you can't buy a Super Bowl with free agents and actually have to invest in some draft picks once in a while, wants to slide down out of the No. 6 slot and amass extra choices. It is absolutely impossible to take Pasquarelli seriously as a writer when he insinuates that Joe Gibbs is stupid. This guy is the ultimate d-bag. Yeah, Gibbs has no idea how to win football games, it's not like he hasn't already won 3 of the Super Bowls that Pasquarelli speaks of. Meanwhile, teams like the Eagles, who Pasquarelli looks at like a roasted turkey dinner, come up short just like the oh so stupid Redskins. The saddest part is that he doesn't even seem to realize how much of a joke he is in the sports world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Oh pleeeze, pleeeze, PLEEEZE! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DWe'll take their 2nd round (39) pick in exchange, and STILL get who we want. OK, OK.... get our 3rd back. I was just dreaming there for a few seconds. The only way we get more then a #3 is if we get the Vikings involved in the negotiations. The Lions traded down I beleive 1 or max 2 spots for Winslow and got and additional 2nd round pick in return so it is possible to get more then the chart dictates. If not a 2nd, we might be able to recoup next years #4 that we lost in the Duckett deal or maybe an additional 5th this year. It should be interestiong....Hopefully the Vikings don't try to leapfrog up and get to Arizona's spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 hey BRANDON LLOYD JERKBAG. as things happen in free agency, different draft situations arise that weren't the case earlier. due to certain free agent acquisitions, i am saying don't do the trade with the texans if CJ is available, which up until recently, was very unrealistic. it was a valid message, and you're an idiot. an absolute moron. ban me for it, fine....but everyone on this board knows you're a jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I want to get another Day 1 pick so we can pick up Marshal Yanda in either the late 2nd or early 3rd. He isn't going to be a star but he is a sound technician who was coached by OLine guru Kirk Ferentz. If whatever old vet we sign is a bust , we could possibly just plug in the NFL-ready (just needs to add some strength) Yanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 That doesnt follow the draft value chart at all so no GM is going to give that much up in one year.Maybe get a pick next year as well as a 3rd this year but any more than that and you are kidding yourself. Hello, you do know the draft value chart is at best a baseline? What deal you end up with is based on how much the parties value the draft choice themselves. All trades are based on the value judgements of the parties involved NOT the value rules set by some chart! If some team who drafted after the Patriots had KNOWN what Tom Brady would become, do you not think they'd have sold the store to get in front of NE? The Redskins don't know who will be available at 8. Might the guy we're targeting not be available at 8? Could Houston be pretending they want Quinn when they really want the guy we're targeting? The answers to these and other questions modify the trade values for us. Houston has to think, what would be the risk to them if they stood pat (assuming they really want Quinn or they'd be happy with a lesser version of the guy they're targeting if they're bluffing)? If they pull the trigger before the 5th choice is made, will Quinn (or whoever their targeting) still be on the board? The answers to these questions may decrease or increase value or our pick to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hello, you do know the draft value chart is at best a baseline? What deal you end up with is based on how much the parties value the draft choice themselves. All trades are based on the value judgements of the parties involved NOT the value rules set by some chart! If some team who drafted after the Patriots had KNOWN what Tom Brady would become, do you not think they'd have sold the store to get in front of NE?The Redskins don't know who will be available at 8. Might the guy we're targeting not be available at 8? Could Houston be pretending they want Quinn when they really want the guy we're targeting? The answers to these and other questions modify the trade values for us. Houston has to think, what would be the risk to them if they stood pat (assuming they really want Quinn or they'd be happy with a lesser version of the guy they're targeting if they're bluffing)? If they pull the trigger before the 5th choice is made, will Quinn (or whoever their targeting) still be on the board? The answers to these questions may decrease or increase value or our pick to them. This is all true and the pick and the value is subjective from one team to another but nothing besides this article has said that the Texans are tight in the pants for Quinn to the point that they'd be willing to give this much up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 hey BRANDON LLOYD JERKBAG. as things happen in free agency, different draft situations arise that weren't the case earlier. due to certain free agent acquisitions, i am saying don't do the trade with the texans if CJ is available, which up until recently, was very unrealistic.it was a valid message, and you're an idiot. an absolute moron. ban me for it, fine....but everyone on this board knows you're a jerk. youre right. im a jerk because i dont want to draft a WR. haha and by the way, i like brandon lloyd jerkbag. if we draft CJ, ill change my username to that just for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 1 Oakland Raiders 2 Detroit Lions 3 Cleveland Browns All are in need of a franchise QB Then guess who still will be on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Then guess who still will be on the board. millen has already stated he doesnt want a QB. i wouldnt be shocked at all if they took "already in the hall of fame wide receiver boy" (his new name by the way). martz just wants to throw the ball. if it was up to him they wouldnt even have a runningback. 5 WR every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 hey BRANDON LLOYD JERKBAG. as things happen in free agency, different draft situations arise that weren't the case earlier. due to certain free agent acquisitions, i am saying don't do the trade with the texans if CJ is available, which up until recently, was very unrealistic.it was a valid message, and you're an idiot. an absolute moron. ban me for it, fine....but everyone on this board knows you're a jerk. enough of the name calling you disagree with someone argue intelligently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqq Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Too bad the redskins couldn't make a draft day trade with the redskins..then u know we would get a 2nd and 3rd rounder for moving down 2 spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 That would work out awesome for us. We'd still get an elite DL at #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 enough of the name callingyou disagree with someone argue intelligently he should be able to call me names if he wants, but regardless, weve been over the calvin johnson business more times than weve been over the lets trade portis business. if i had a beating a dead horse icon, id post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 sorry for getting mad at you BLC. if you change your name to brandon lloyd jerkbag, i would be honored. i don't a WR either, but more importantly i do want a playmaker, and CJ is the closest thing to a guaranteed playmaker that there is in the draft. i'm not really interested in developing talent...i want a joe gibbs super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supadrummer Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 he should be able to call me names if he wants, but regardless, weve been over the calvin johnson business more times than weve been over the lets trade portis business. if i had a beating a dead horse icon, id post it. I'd have to agree with you. We have to work on defense first. after that is straight we could draft calvin. Unfortunately I think he will be gone in the first round. It would be nice to complete the offense though. We have to stop someone to out score them any way, so defense first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 sorry for getting mad at you BLC. if you change your name to brandon lloyd jerkbag, i would be honored.i don't a WR either, but more importantly i do want a playmaker, and CJ is the closest thing to a guaranteed playmaker that there is in the draft. i'm not really interested in developing talent...i want a joe gibbs super bowl. any player is a gamble in the draft and while were gambling we might as well gamble on the side of the ball that set records in NFL HISTORY for SUCKAGE. calvin johnson is a luxary, not a necessity. when our WRs start setting records for suckage, then we'll talk. and no need for an apology, i like a little fire on a boring day like today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supadrummer Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 sorry for getting mad at you BLC. if you change your name to brandon lloyd jerkbag, i would be honored.i don't a WR either, but more importantly i do want a playmaker, and CJ is the closest thing to a guaranteed playmaker that there is in the draft. i'm not really interested in developing talent...i want a joe gibbs super bowl. The thing is all this Superbowl now talk is why we are in the problems with not having draft picks and Salary Cap issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 That doesnt follow the draft value chart at all so no GM is going to give that much up in one year.Maybe get a pick next year as well as a 3rd this year but any more than that and you are kidding yourself. If the FO was better at negotiating, I'd say getting something like a 3rd and 4th or 5th this year would be possible. But being the Redskins FO, I could certainly see their 8th overall, 3rd round this year, and maybe a 3rd or 4th next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Whats the difference in draft value between the 6th and the 8th? Im sure if they throw their second pick in with the 8th for our 6th, our FO would bite, but is that too much compensation to move up 2 spots? This trade would require at very least their 8th this year (obviously), probably either their 3rd this year and a middle to late round pick next year, or a second round pick this year and a sixth or a seventh next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqq Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 If the FO was better at negotiating, I'd say getting something like a 3rd and 4th or 5th this year would be possible. But being the Redskins FO, I could certainly see their 8th overall, 3rd round this year, and maybe a 3rd or 4th next year. R u kidding me?? I hope your joking...If the redskins could get thier 1st, 3rd round this yr and a 3rd next yr for moving down 2 spots that would great trade..It would be a great trade in any organization. The draft value chart says that the value of moving down from 6-8 is worth a 3rd round pick so anything more than that would be a steal. Now if they get anything worse than a 3rd round pick then we should pissed as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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