jivelikenice Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I'm really glad to be reading that the Skins FO is considering holding onto Springs or at least trade him for some compensation. I have a few reasons: 1. We're already under the cap by 6+ million and have enough to go out and make 2-3 moves in free agency. This is before realeasing Hall, Patten, and maybe Collins opting out. 2. I we sign Smoot, then with him, Rogers, and Springs we have 3 capable startes at corner and this could also open up the opportunity for Springs to eventually move to safety. 3. We control his rights now. We either keep him or trade him to a team of our choice. If we cut him he can sign anywhere he wants and could come back to haunt us. 4. If we trade him we would get at least a 3rd rounder in my opinon, so why cut him for nothing when we can get something for him? If we trade down from #6 as well, there's a possibility of us actually have a full allotment of Day 1 picks....Either way we'll have to take the cap hit. My one question, if we trade him post June 1, is the impact of trading him identical to the impact of releasing him? 5. If we release him we're going to watse valuable resources that we don't have trying to replace what we already had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 if we get clements which i doubt... then we prob should release him or trade him i guess if we can get anything. problem is i don't think hes worth much. Hes old and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsDukes Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 if we get clements which i doubt... then we prob should release him or trade him i guess if we can get anything. problem is i don't think hes worth much. Hes old and expensive. I would normally agree, but then again Detroit did just manage to get two possible starters and a draft pick in exchange for Bly, so maybe the market for old corners is higher than I thought. That said, Springs contract certainly makes him somewhat less attractive to other teams and for the cap hit involved to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Smoot or Hood with Rogers and Springs would be a good CB group. Perhaps Eubanks and another rookie for depth. I agree that just cutting ties with a ProBowl caliber corner doesn't make sense. Esp with the accelerated CAP hit that goes along with it. I hope they hold onto Springs. It seems like he could be a natural FS with moving Taylor to SS. The secondary then would be a bunch of ballhawks, esp with the young defensive linemen I envision us drafting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I hope dont cut him, but it seems like tradition around here to get rid of our cbs. Now if was Carlos Rogers, I'd be all for getting rid of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I hope dont cut him, but it seems like tradition around here to get rid of our cbs. Now if was Carlos Rogers, I'd be all for getting rid of him sophomore slump, a horrible defense around him, he was told to play with a cushion. he's a physical CB, it's not his style to play off. he had trouble catching and I think he probably was trying too hard and thinking too much. he's learning from the best in Darrell Green this offseason. CB is a skill position and takes time to learn, give him a year or two and we will determine his worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm a little under the impression that we want Springs to take a paycut to safety level of pay rather than corner level, and he's pretty much scoffing at the idea. Didn't he say he'd like to play safety though if he thought it could keep his career going longer? What's his bargaining tactic in this even? He missed practically all of last year and was hurt frequently enough in 2005. I'd like the guy to stay since I think he's a good leader for the secondary but if he's just going to keep getting hurt what's the use of him sticking around? I hope dont cut him, but it seems like tradition around here to get rid of our cbs. Now if was Carlos Rogers, I'd be all for getting rid of him Oh this still. Yeah Rogers really sucks- I can't believe he gave away all those games for us! Wait, he actually didn't cause us to lose anything, the entire defense did, including the sorry scheming and pressure from the front 4. Funny how short the memory around here goes though when it comes to Rogers shutting down Drew Brees and the Saints like he did Drew Brees and the Chargers though (until LT finally showed up atleast), or Rogers taking Torry Holt and Steve Smith out of the game. Way too much unnecessary hatred for Rogers being carried around here, and I get the feeling that by this time next year a lot of those same people will be all over his bandwagon again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPG Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Why doesn everyone act like we alreafy signed Smoot. How do you even know we are looking at him? I know we need another CB but what makes you think it is him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 JLC - Washington Post writer seem to think the Skins are quite high on bringing him in. I and he is one of the few FA who have a meeting with the FO today or tomorrow i think....but other than that nothing really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I'd like to keep Springs. He's been very good apart from last year. If we're ten mil under the salary cap right now, then we don't even need to restructure him. Let's ride it out one year, if his skills or health continue to decline then part ways. The problem with upgrading is that the upgrade takes time to learn the system or takes time to learn the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCinOz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The Skins can't cut Springs right now because the dead cap hit of prorated bonus money of $7.451m will more than take out his base salary saving of $4.875m or his total 2007 cap hit of $7.358m. Besides the media are wrong on the cap number - we are only around $3.2m under the cap right now, but with plenty more ways to make space - including the thing the mediots keep missing - being able to guarantee $4.5m in roster bonuses and save around $3.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoyaSkins28 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 we need to keep him unless we get nate clements, smoot and rogers would get burn, in this league you should have 3 good corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26fan4life Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I'm really glad to be reading that the Skins FO is considering holding onto Springs or at least trade him for some compensation. I have a few reasons:1. We're already under the cap by 6+ million and have enough to go out and make 2-3 moves in free agency. This is before realeasing Hall, Patten, and maybe Collins opting out. 2. I we sign Smoot, then with him, Rogers, and Springs we have 3 capable startes at corner and this could also open up the opportunity for Springs to eventually move to safety. 3. We control his rights now. We either keep him or trade him to a team of our choice. If we cut him he can sign anywhere he wants and could come back to haunt us. 4. If we trade him we would get at least a 3rd rounder in my opinon, so why cut him for nothing when we can get something for him? If we trade down from #6 as well, there's a possibility of us actually have a full allotment of Day 1 picks....Either way we'll have to take the cap hit. My one question, if we trade him post June 1, is the impact of trading him identical to the impact of releasing him? 5. If we release him we're going to watse valuable resources that we don't have trying to replace what we already had. trading him sounds reasonable but I still don't want to have to outbid teams with more cap space for clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The problem with springs is, his cap hit is about 3 times what he is worth. Idealy, id like to keep him, but at the tune of 7 mill a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 anyone who wants to get rid of carlos rogers is braindead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Keep Springs. He may be injure prone, but when healthy, he can cover almost anybody 1 on 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If Springs gets cut, it won't be until after June 1, since there is no benefit in cutting him now. Even so, considering his dead cap number is about as much as his salary, it still doesn't make that much sense to cut him even then. But, he might not be back next year. Certainly, not at these numbers. I think the renegotiations are for keeping him longer than just this year. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The Skins can't cut Springs right now because the dead cap hit of prorated bonus money of $7.451m will more than take out his base salary saving of $4.875m or his total 2007 cap hit of $7.358m.Besides the media are wrong on the cap number - we are only around $3.2m under the cap right now, but with plenty more ways to make space - including the thing the mediots keep missing - being able to guarantee $4.5m in roster bonuses and save around $3.5m. Doesn't your website say we are about 6 mil under the cap? http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salary%20Cap%20Position.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I'm really glad to be reading that the Skins FO is considering holding onto Springs or at least trade him for some compensation. I have a few reasons:3. We control his rights now. We either keep him or trade him to a team of our choice. If we cut him he can sign anywhere he wants and could come back to haunt us. Been thinking about that point. I can easily see the Giants or Cowboys pouncing on him -- both need corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCinOz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Doesn't your website say we are about 6 mil under the cap?http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salary%20Cap%20Position.html Not updated yet, will be shortly. That was assuming John Clayton had his "$4.3m under right a week or so ago" I;ve since found out he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Get it through your heads people.. Springs will NEVER.. EVER be a safety.... EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMAN7 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The Skins D Was So Much Better Last Year When Springs Was On The Field....the Problem Of Course Was That Was So Rare. I Would Demand He Take A Contract Based On Incentives, Including Playing Time. Paying A Guy Over 7 Mill To Stand Smiling On The Sidelines Is Nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Not updated yet, will be shortly.That was assuming John Clayton had his "$4.3m under right a week or so ago" I;ve since found out he didn't. So we were basically right up against the cap prior to the brunell renegotiation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCinOz Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Correct and we had some escalators kick in as well for a few players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Correct and we had some escalators kick in as well for a few players. Like Sean making the pro-bowl? I seem to remember his incentives based on pro-bowl appearances. Who had the biggest escalators, if you don't mind answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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