Thinking about this team makes me tired...

[Baculus]

And, I am telling ya, I have been tired, except for a few spots here and there, since 1999.

It appears that we can't have our cake and eat it too. Yes, yes, I support the team, Gibbs, its players and coaching staff, et al., But I admit, it does become a little tiresome *wishing* for a good, solid team instead of actually seeing one. Last year's second half team was probably the most solid we have seen this team since perhaps the second half of Marty's tenure with the Redskins, at least since the 1999 team, which unto itself was a bit inconsistent as well. But that's a "so what" moment - it does us little good to be solid in the past if we cannot continue the consistency.

Pride and consistency - that would go a long way to make me feel happy.

I watched Gibbs the first time around and I know of his capabilities. And the season ain't even half way finished. But, man, I sometimes wish that we had a team that was, first of all, actually *fun* to watch, as opposed to nerve wracking and stressful, which is enough to drive one to drink. Second, as mentioned before, a good, solid, consistent team would be swell, too; I'd rather watch the team get honestly beat as opposed to beating itself with a dozen penalties and foolish plays. What do we currently have? A depressingly inconsitent offense coupled with a depressingly consistent defense.

Rah, rah?

I know we have enough depressing threads on this board - I am not about to start another "let's start Campbell!" thread or "Gregg Williams sucks!" because it isn't needed and really does us little good. But, after feeling a bit blue after reading about my favorite football team, I just wanted to share some gripes and depression with my fellow fans.

I just keeping telling myself that the team will get better - we can't get worse. These guys are too good for that, and I can't believe that the coaching staff can't "coach them up" to play better ball. And, by mid to late season, I want to look at this post and my Redskins blues, and know that it was a road worth travelling to stand with this team and cheer them forward. But we'll see how the future unfolds!

HTTR.

[jwebst1]

Good post.

I think a lot of us come here to vent... I know I do... so thanks extremeskins for giving some of us that forum.

[pjfootballer]

I thought maybe all that typing made you tired. :applause: :laugh: Good post.

[MRMADD]

I just keeping telling myself that the team will get better - we can't get worse. These guys are too good for that, and I can't believe that the coaching staff can't "coach them up" to play better ball. And, by mid to late season, I want to look at this post and my Redskins blues, and know that it was a road worth travelling to stand with this team and cheer them forward. But we'll see how the future unfolds!

HTTR.

Did you watch the Broncos-Ravens game last night? Did you see how those defenses were flying to the ball, even late in the game when they were exhausted and their offenses had let them down time and time again? They just refused to quit. Hell of a game even without any scoring to speak of.

The Skins just don't seem to have that fire. Even against the Jags, they let the Jags back in the game. They don't seem to have the heart to put a team away -- or to stay in a game that's slipping away. Sad, really. They need a good kick in the ass.

I think this started back with Joe's disastrous decision to go easy on them during training camp. Minimize the two-a-days, rest the veterans. You play like you practice, and the Skins practiced SOFT. So they're soft. Don't blame the loss of Shawn Springs for the defense -- these guys won't tackle any better just because Springs is out there.

I hope Joe just absolutely eats them alive this week. But we'll see. The season ain't over. The Skins can lose 6 games and still make the playoffs. They've only lost 3. There's hope.

[skins4eva]

And, I am telling ya, I have been tired, except for a few spots here and there, since 1999.

It appears that we can't have our cake and eat it too. Yes, yes, I support the team, Gibbs, its players and coaching staff, et al., But I admit, it does become a little tiresome *wishing* for a good, solid team instead of actually seeing one. Last year's second half team was probably the most solid we have seen this team since perhaps the second half of Marty's tenure with the Redskins, at least since the 1999 team, which unto itself was a bit inconsistent as well. But that's a "so what" moment - it does us little good to be solid in the past if we cannot continue the consistency.

Pride and consistency - that would go a long way to make me feel happy.

I watched Gibbs the first time around and I know of his capabilities. And the season ain't even half way finished. But, man, I sometimes wish that we had a team that was, first of all, actually *fun* to watch, as opposed to nerve wracking and stressful, which is enough to drive one to drink. Second, as mentioned before, a good, solid, consistent team would be swell, too; I'd rather watch the team get honestly beat as opposed to beating itself with a dozen penalties and foolish plays. What do we currently have? A depressingly inconsitent offense coupled with a depressingly consistent defense.

Rah, rah?

I know we have enough depressing threads on this board - I am not about to start another "let's start Campbell!" thread or "Gregg Williams sucks!" because it isn't needed and really does us little good. But, after feeling a bit blue after reading about my favorite football team, I just wanted to share some gripes and depression with my fellow fans.

I just keeping telling myself that the team will get better - we can't get worse. These guys are too good for that, and I can't believe that the coaching staff can't "coach them up" to play better ball. And, by mid to late season, I want to look at this post and my Redskins blues, and know that it was a road worth travelling to stand with this team and cheer them forward. But we'll see how the future unfolds!

HTTR.

It's hard right now to be positive. With the expectations--I agree, I was really hoping we'd build off of the success of last year. I just wish Gibbs would lay down the law with this team.

[LiveStrongSkins]

Being a Redskin fan is very frustrating. Why can't we just have a consistently good football team week in and week out? To at the very least were competitive in division games. It's because each year we bombard the roster with free agents and by the time all the excuses are finished, we are in a hole already. We throw away the draft and start over from scratch with chemistry in key areas such as the secondary where cohesion is very important. I guess we will finally be good when someone finally realizes 4 or 5 free a gents a year isnt always a good thing and we actually need our draft picks. Sometimes you might luck out and get pro bowl production out of a young guy instead of having to make somoene the highest paid at their position every year..

[MikeB]

Being a Redskin fan is very frustrating. Why can't we just have a consistently good football team week in and week out? To at the very least were competitive in division games. It's because each year we bombard the roster with free agents and by the time all the excuses are finished, we are in a hole already. We throw away the draft and start over from scratch with chemistry in key areas such as the secondary where cohesion is very important. I guess we will finally be good when someone finally realizes 4 or 5 free a gents a year isnt always a good thing and we actually need our draft picks. Sometimes you might luck out and get pro bowl production out of a young guy instead of having to make somoene the highest paid at their position every year..

BINGO! The draft (or non-draft) is KILLING this team each and every year. Take the Eagles... polar opposites of the Skins... don't bring in many free agents, heavy, heavy draft team that has about 10 or more pick in each and every draft. They also spend many of those picks on the lines... they build line out. The Skins on the other hand have what, 2-3 picks a year. We bring in 4-5 pricey free agents (along with their egos) and many of them are at the skill positions (a place of heavy turnover for this team) who take too long to gel. By the time they gel with the team it's too late and we are bringing in another crop of free agents... it's a vicious cycle.

Unfortunately this is the mentality of this team. It's what you get when the owner insist on owning the offseason. It just doesn't work that way. Again take the Eagles... Jeff Laurie and Andy Reid are on the same page, and that team rocks year in and year out...

We flop year in and year out...

So sick of it.

[mangan]

With the amount of raw and polished talent this team has....it is extremely disappointing that we are not more consistent. We are loaded on the offensive side of the ball....and we put up 3 pts last week...........WTF???? Sometimes I wish I never got into football......I get so pissed off, I bet I have taken 5 years off my life expectancy due to the stress I cause myself prior to, during and after the games..........for the sake of my health......we better start winning.............

[GSF]

Good post from a veteran poster that I think really describes how a lot of us feel. I'm too tired to be overly pissed off. I stopped watching last week after the 4th and 1. First time I didn't watch the whole game in as long as I can remember.

It's been quite a roller coster ride since Coach Gibbs returned. As "tired" as some of us feel, I hate to think how Coach Gibbs feels. I still believe in the Coach, but I don't believe in Brunell, who I believe is the root of the Skins' struggles on both sides of the ball.

[Mooka]

Good post Bac.

Just for once I would like our team to win a big game as the favorite. Tired of being the underdog...

[bubba9497]

BINGO! The draft (or non-draft) is KILLING this team each and every year

:doh:

your allowed 53 players, no matter where they come from draft, trades, FA

We have many drafted players on this team

anone who thinks we lost to the Giants because we don't drat enough players is ..... well I won't say

Funny how many forget, most of the Redskins greastest players were never drafted by the Redskins

[MONTEY]

And, I am telling ya, I have been tired, except for a few spots here and there, since 1999.

It appears that we can't have our cake and eat it too. Yes, yes, I support the team, Gibbs, its players and coaching staff, et al., But I admit, it does become a little tiresome *wishing* for a good, solid team instead of actually seeing one. Last year's second half team was probably the most solid we have seen this team since perhaps the second half of Marty's tenure with the Redskins, at least since the 1999 team, which unto itself was a bit inconsistent as well. But that's a "so what" moment - it does us little good to be solid in the past if we cannot continue the consistency.

Pride and consistency - that would go a long way to make me feel happy.

I watched Gibbs the first time around and I know of his capabilities. And the season ain't even half way finished. But, man, I sometimes wish that we had a team that was, first of all, actually *fun* to watch, as opposed to nerve wracking and stressful, which is enough to drive one to drink. Second, as mentioned before, a good, solid, consistent team would be swell, too; I'd rather watch the team get honestly beat as opposed to beating itself with a dozen penalties and foolish plays. What do we currently have? A depressingly inconsitent offense coupled with a depressingly consistent defense.

Rah, rah?

I know we have enough depressing threads on this board - I am not about to start another "let's start Campbell!" thread or "Gregg Williams sucks!" because it isn't needed and really does us little good. But, after feeling a bit blue after reading about my favorite football team, I just wanted to share some gripes and depression with my fellow fans.

I just keeping telling myself that the team will get better - we can't get worse. These guys are too good for that, and I can't believe that the coaching staff can't "coach them up" to play better ball. And, by mid to late season, I want to look at this post and my Redskins blues, and know that it was a road worth travelling to stand with this team and cheer them forward. But we'll see how the future unfolds!

HTTR.

Tell you what. That was the best post for me so far this season. Many thanks Baculus. :helmet:

[#98QBKiller]

Did you watch the Broncos-Ravens game last night? Did you see how those defenses were flying to the ball, even late in the game when they were exhausted and their offenses had let them down time and time again? They just refused to quit. Hell of a game even without any scoring to speak of.

The Skins just don't seem to have that fire. Even against the Jags, they let the Jags back in the game. They don't seem to have the heart to put a team away -- or to stay in a game that's slipping away. Sad, really. They need a good kick in the ass.

I think this started back with Joe's disastrous decision to go easy on them during training camp. Minimize the two-a-days, rest the veterans. You play like you practice, and the Skins practiced SOFT. So they're soft. Don't blame the loss of Shawn Springs for the defense -- these guys won't tackle any better just because Springs is out there.

I hope Joe just absolutely eats them alive this week. But we'll see. The season ain't over. The Skins can lose 6 games and still make the playoffs. They've only lost 3. There's hope.

I agree. I love Joe Gibbs, but I don't think he's hard enough on his players. I'm not saying we need a Mike Ditka out there grabbing guys by the facemask and screaming, but a happy medium seems to work the best. Guys like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick who are calm on the sidelines, but light a fire under their team's ass behind closed doors. :2cents:

[pgitta]

Yes...good post.

I think the hardest part for me is the yo-yo effect. Just when I think "here we goooooo,,,"!! (last week) wham! right in the gut.

Sometimes I think it would be easier to see losses one after another than this.

8-8 is as good as 0-16 anyway.

[MikeB]

:doh:

your allowed 53 players, no matter where they come from draft, trades, FA

We have many drafted players on this team

anone who thinks we lost to the Giants because we don't drat enough players is ..... well I won't say

Funny how many forget, most of the Redskins greastest players were never drafted by the Redskins

Every team loses games, and tactically you can pick a reason or two why those occured. This team, for years, has been inconsistent and erratic. We've gone through multiple coaching staffs, and multiple different rosters, all with the same net charateristics.

It's not that we don't draft enough players. It's that the draft is a COMPLETE afterthought to this team. It's like calling it quits after a long night at the casino, you have a few chips left in your pocket you need to get rid of, so you simply throw them on black. This team drafts, but only because they have to.

So instead of young talent that is bred to be a Skin, you are picking the leftovers, the castoffs, the excess from other teams. You throw it all together and the recipe just doesn't work. It never does. You need fresh, raw ingrediants to make a good dish. You need the same to make a good team.

It's the overall strategy this team employs, and continues to even under Gibbs mind you (master chef with table scraps), that will keep this team from ever being great. Sure, there will be the good year here and there, but overall you will just never know what you are going to get... just like a trip to Applebees.

So you can say that anyone who thinks the draft is the reason this team lost is an idiot (since you must know the answer then, right?) But the draft, and how and who this team acquires, is absolutely the reason this team doesn't win.

[hail2skins]

Good post Bac.

Sometimes I think us in the DC area buy into the hype too much about how great our players are. I'm honestly not convinced that we have any more talent than the majority of the other teams in the league.

Its too early in the season to make a full assessment, but if this season continues with the Skins slogging around the .500 mark before getting knocked out of the hunt with about 2-3 games left, you'll have to wonder if this season will be more of a disappointment than the 2000 season was. The 2000 team was more hyped up for sure and did have a 1-2 start, but the 5-game winning streak to go to 6-2 at least temporarily gave us the illusion that it might be a special team midway through the season.

We've got to get over the .500 hump pronto beginning with a win vs Tennessee and then upsetting the Colts. If not, I think its going to be too late to salvage playoff hopes.

[skins4eva]

Every team loses games, and tactically you can pick a reason or two why those occured. This team, for years, has been inconsistent and erratic. We've gone through multiple coaching staffs, and multiple different rosters, all with the same net charateristics.

It's not that we don't draft enough players. It's that the draft is a COMPLETE afterthought to this team. It's like calling it quits after a long night at the casino, you have a few chips left in your pocket you need to get rid of, so you simply throw them on black. This team drafts, but only because they have to.

So instead of young talent that is bred to be a Skin, you are picking the leftovers, the castoffs, the excess from other teams. You throw it all together and the recipe just doesn't work. It never does. You need fresh, raw ingrediants to make a good dish. You need the same to make a good team.

It's the overall strategy this team employs, and continues to even under Gibbs mind you (master chef with table scraps), that will keep this team from ever being great. Sure, there will be the good year here and there, but overall you will just never know what you are going to get... just like a trip to Applebees.

So you can say that anyone who thinks the draft is the reason this team lost is an idiot (since you must know the answer then, right?) But the draft, and how and who this team acquires, is absolutely the reason this team doesn't win.

I've got to agree with this. Our personnel decisions have generally been utter crap. Sure, we had some good ones, but the wheels really came off this offseason. In fact, going back to the 2005 draft, where we selected 6 fullbacks and a 28 yr old linebacker. I keed...I keed...but this team is still being run like a fantasy football organization, except that Gibbs has a Ford Pinto running the offense.

All I've ever wanted from this franchise, since Synder purchased it was stability, continuity and direction. For whatever reason, even with Gibbs at the helm, these things seem impossible to acheive.

[PleaseGoForTheWin]

It is tiresome, especially when you see teams like Pittsburgh, Indy, New England, Denver, Philly perform well year after year after year.

[skins4eva]

It is tiresome, especially when you see teams like Pittsburgh, Indy, New England, Denver, Philly perform well year after year after year.

Very true...notice how those teams don't try and fill every hole with free agency. These are the teams we should be modeling our front offices after, but as long as Synder is the owner, we will never have a competent GM.

[ThomasRoane]

Yep; that pretty much explains how I feel too. I got tix for this Sunday. Got a friend who wants me to go to the game this week and I really don't have it in me. At least in the Dallas game we knocked the snot out of them. That crap vs the Giants was pretty bad. Our team played like scared ****es. Except for a couple.

Gotta love Sellers and Taylor though. If everyone had their intensity I think we'd be undefeated.

[Walking Deadman]

I have to admit that I'm also tired......it's one thing when we lose,

But when you feel that it was lack of execution and emotion in at least 2 of the games we lost. That I don't expect from a Joe Gibbs team. Nor the 2005 team that for the most part is the same team minus Clark, Ray Brown,Harris, Jacobs, Bowen, Royal and Mr. Nickles. Most of these guys weren't huge losses (Clark, Harris and Brown to me the biggest)

I have also grown really tired of the "we suck" stuff by our fan base. Being critical and venting is fine, but there are some posters who seem to revel in the loses just to rub it in our face about how the team or a player has played poorly.

That's not what Redskin fans should be. Frankly, if I want to have my face rubbed in the fact that the team isn't doing well, I can go to another team's board.

[NewCliche21]

This team makes you tired? It makes me suicidal.

Anyway.

All of this draft talk is really getting on my nerves. We used to draft. All the time. We barely ever signed free agents. Where did it get us? The playoffs! . . . once. In twelve years. Oh, but we used to do free agency, too! And where did it get us? The Super Bowl . . . four times.

"Yeah, but, what we're saying is that we need to draft WELL!" Um, okay. That's the same with every team. We sign really good free agents. If you take the number of busts that we've signed since Gibbs has returned versus the playmakers that we've gotten, Washington, Moss, Portis (Three All-Pros), then I think that we've done pretty well. And our draft? I don't know, that Cooley is all right. And that Taylor is pretty decent.

"But other teams draft well and build young talent!" Uh-huh. And? If you take the number of amazing free-agent signings that we've made and compare that with the impact of draft picks that other teams have made over the same span, then who do you think will come out on top? We will. The draft takes years and years and years and years to develop a team. And yes, we did do it for years (the aforementioned decade and a fifth). And we still got to the playoffs once.

In other words: The effing problem isn't how we get players; the problem is what we do with them. Get off of this draft vs. free agency thing. It's ridiculous and baseless and makes me want to throw rocks at you.

[Baculus]

Thanks for the responses, guys; each one made me feel a little better as well. It feels good to share one's pain with the folks that will understand!

[pjfootballer]

I agree with newcliche. Anyone remember Westbrook, Shuler, Desmond Howard? I would like to see us next off season, recoup some picks, make good sound picks, but only pick up 1 or 2 free agents. We need to use some of the pickups for the last 2 years as a base and just add here and there next year.