lovetoaster Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Do any of you guys think that if the old Shogun shows up saturday night he can win this fight? Or is Machida just too unstoppable no matter how good Rua looks? If the old Shogun shows up, this could be a great fight. If the old Shogun walks into the cage, I actually think he wins. But I don't know if that Shogun still exists, he has had some pretty major injuries over the last few years. Shogun has looked better in each of his fights since the injury. But it is a significant jump in competition from Coleman to Chuck to Machida. Machida is a great fighter, but he is not unstoppable. Anyone can get caught. If Shogun continues his improvement as he has from fight-to-fight he has as good of a chance as anyone to beat Machida. Now that I have talked in circles for a few paragraphs , right now, I think Machida wins in a very good fight, but I would not be surprised if Shogun wins. But if somehow, the old Shogun reappears, I give the edge to him. The more I think about it though, the more this fight really intrigues me. I am interested to see how agressive Shogun is and how Machida counters it. Machida is so incredibly tactical and it has not paid off for fighters to try and rush him. But I have to think that is part of Shogun's gameplan. Edited October 22, 2009 by lovetoaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) The more I think about it though, the more this fight really intrigues me. I am interested to see how agressive Shogun is and how Machida counters it. Machida is so incredibly tactical and it has not paid off for fighters to tey and rush him. But I have to think that is part of Shogun's gameplan. in every interview i've heard, Shogun has constantly talked about being patient in this fight. whether or not he's able to carry it out remains to be seen i think Machida will be perceived as unstoppable, until he isn't anymore. its going to take someone to convincingly win at least 1 round before Machida's aura is busted honestly i'm still not sold on Shogun being back. he looked like **** against Coleman, and gassed horribly. his cardio wasn't tested against Liddell, and although Shogun looked alot better in terms of movement (particularly his defense), it was still done against a shot fighter in Chuck on another note, Shogun is a massive underdog on the betting sites. so if you're feeling lucky........ Edited October 22, 2009 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) in every interview i've heard, Shogun has constantly talked about being patient in this fight. whether or not he's able to carry it out remains to be seen Yeah, that is probably the right plan, but I don't know if he will be able to do it. I don't know what is best to do with Lyoto. You can't sit back and wait for a mistake, because he is very patient and does not make mistakes. But if you rush him, he will dodge a punch or catch a kick and drill you, or trip you. honestly i'm still not sold on Shogun being back. he looked like **** against Coleman, and gassed horribly. his cardio wasn't tested against Liddell, and although Shogun looked alot better in terms of movement (particularly his defense), it was still done against a shot fighter in Chuck I am not 100% sold yet either. He did have a lot more spring in his movements against Chuck though, although the fight was too short to get a read on his stamina. The footage I have seen of his training shows some explosiveness that I don't think has been there for a while, and sure was not there against Coleman. That certainly was a underwhelming fight. I don't know, it might be more that I hope the old Shogun is slowly coming back, but I am seeing some of the explosiveness and athleticism back in his game. But he is going to have to be pretty close to the old Shogun to beat Lyoto, and I am not sure he is quite there yet. I like them both, and I am just hoping for a good fight, which I think it will be. Edited October 22, 2009 by lovetoaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StillUnknown Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 http://mmajunkie.com/news/16581/jon-fitch-likely-to-rematch-thiago-alves-at-ufc-107-in-december.mma Late Wednesday UFC welterweight contender Jon Fitch (19-3 MMA, 10-1 UFC) announced his UFC 106 fight had been canceled because of a knee injury suffered by opponent by Ricardo Almeida (11-3 MMA, 4-3 UFC). However, another bout – a rematch from 2006 – may be on the way. A source close to the UFC today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that Fitch is likely instead to fight fellow contender Thiago Alves (16-5 MMA, 9-3 UFC) in December at UFC 107; Alves' rumored opponent on that card, Paulo Thiago (11-1 MMA, 1-1 UFC), would instead be booked for another bout. The fight, though, is not official, and the UFC hasn't even officially announced the cancellation of the Fitch vs. Almeida bout. If the fight is booked, though, Fitch vs. Alves would be part of the main card of UFC 107, which takes place Dec. 12 at the FedExForum in Memphis, Tenn. The pay-per-view event features a main event between UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn and challenger Diego Sanchez. Fitch and Alves first met in 2006 at UFC Fight Night 5. Both competitors were in the first year of their UFC careers and actually competed on the night's un-aired preliminary card. Fitch scored a second-round TKO and used a vicious upkick to force a stoppage via subsequent punches late in the round. That victory was part of a 15-fight win streak that Fitch posted from 2003 and to 2008, when – after a then-record eight straight UFC wins – he dropped a unanimous decision to UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre. He's since re-emerged as a top contender with recent unanimous-decision wins over Akihiro Gono and Paulo Thiago. Alves, meanwhile, looks to reclaim a title shot after failing to win the belt in his most recent appearance. Alves got his title shot at UFC 100 in July but dropped a unanimous decision to St-Pierre. The loss was Alves' first since the TKO loss to Fitch that snapped his seven-fight win streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) http://mmajunkie.com/news/16581/jon-fitch-likely-to-rematch-thiago-alves-at-ufc-107-in-december.mma Excellent, I was not expecting that. I thought Hughes would be facing Fitch. Edited October 22, 2009 by lovetoaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) This is probably the biggest landslide from "pros picks" there's been: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/pros-picks-machida-vs-shogun-20493 Pros that picked Machida: 21 Pros that picked Rua: 2 The two that picked Rua: Roland Sarria: I think Shogun will win with a donkey-bong punch in the third round. Robin Black: When you hear a guy talking about defending his title five times, then fighting Brock Lesnar, you could be forgiven for thinking he’s looking past his opponent. Hell, probably everyone is looking past Shogun. His in-your-face style is tailor made for The Dragon’s near mythical lightning counter fighting. But don’t just arbitrarily count Shogun out. He’s a proud, explosive athlete who’s been training for his title shot. And this is the UFC. Anything can happen. I’m going out on a limb -- and being mocked by my training partners here at Xtreme Couture Toronto -- and picking Shogun by TKO. Edited October 23, 2009 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 http://mmajunkie.com/news/16581/jon-fitch-likely-to-rematch-thiago-alves-at-ufc-107-in-december.mma I think the rematch will end quite the opposite this time. This is probably the biggest landslide from "pros picks" there's been:http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/pros-picks-machida-vs-shogun-20493 Pros that picked Machida: 21 Pros that picked Rua: 2 The two that picked Rua: Roland Sarria: I think Shogun will win with a donkey-bong punch in the third round. Robin Black: When you hear a guy talking about defending his title five times, then fighting Brock Lesnar, you could be forgiven for thinking he’s looking past his opponent. Hell, probably everyone is looking past Shogun. His in-your-face style is tailor made for The Dragon’s near mythical lightning counter fighting. But don’t just arbitrarily count Shogun out. He’s a proud, explosive athlete who’s been training for his title shot. And this is the UFC. Anything can happen. I’m going out on a limb -- and being mocked by my training partners here at Xtreme Couture Toronto -- and picking Shogun by TKO. Wow, I'm surprised that only two people picked Shogun. I know that Machida is heavily favored but honestly, if Shogun is for real 100 percent, he's got a pretty good chance at taking this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I think the rematch will end quite the opposite this time.Wow, I'm surprised that only two people picked Shogun. I know that Machida is heavily favored but honestly, if Shogun is for real 100 percent, he's got a pretty good chance at taking this fight. I agree on both accounts. But I will believe that Shogun is 100 percent when I see it in the cage. I sure hope he is, because that could really provide a big boost to an already very competitive division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Machida just has that Last Dragon glow around him right now people haven't seen him lose a single round, let alone come close to losing a fight. until that happens, people will continue to think he's unbeatable on another note, Spike TV is showing the Pat Barry/Antoni Hardonk & Ryan Bader/Eric Schafer matches before the PPV starts poor Okami, can't even get a guaranteed televised fight on the spike TV portion of the prelims. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 poor Okami, can't even get a guaranteed televised fight on the spike TV portion of the prelims. lol That is crazy, since it could be a relatively important fight in the division. He is a very good fighter, but not all that exciting. But I am happy they are showing the Hardonk-Barry fight. That should be a fun one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 If the old Shogun shows up, this could be a great fight. If the old Shogun walks into the cage, I actually think he wins. But I don't know if that Shogun still exists, he has had some pretty major injuries over the last few years. Yeah that's why I posed the question... because I was thinking along the same lines. The more I think about it though, the more this fight really intrigues me. Shame that the general public has no idea who either of these guys are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Weigh Ins are at 7pm ET/4pm PT, watch it here: http://www.ufc.com/live/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 http://mmajunkie.com/news/16595/dream-pulls-paulo-filho-from-sundays-dream-12-card-manager-says-fighter-ok.mma The ongoing drama of Paulo Filho's recent fight career began a new chapter earlier today after officials pulled the former WEC champ from Sunday's DREAM.12 card and claimed they can't locate the fighter. Filho (18-1) was slated to fight Yoon Dong Sik (4-7) at the event, which takes place Oct. 25 at Osaka Castle Hall in Osaka, Japan. Ed Soares, who represents Filho, today confirmed to MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the fighter won't compete on the card but declined to go into details. However, he wanted to reassure fans that Filho "is OK." Although not officially announced, Filho reportedly has been replaced on the card by Tarec Saffiedine (7-1). It's been a rough couple years for Filho, who was once regarded as the world's top middleweight fighter behind Rich Franklin. However, after running his record to 16-0, which included a victory over Joe Doerksen for the vacant WEC middleweight belt, Filho posted a controversial technical submission victory over Chael Sonnen, who objected to the referee's decision to halt the bout. The Filho vs. Sonnen rematch was postponed after Filho said he entered treatment for depression and substance-abuse problems. He eventually returned more than a year later, failed to make for the fight (which was changed to a non-title affair), and then dropped a unanimous decision to Sonnen in a bizarre November 2008 performance in which Filho appeared distracted and sluggish. Filho, though, appeared to right the ship with a July submission victory over Melvin Manhoef and a September unanimous-decision win over Alex Schoenauer. However, today's no-show is certainly another setback. they need to keep him away from everything until he gets his head right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Yeah, Filho is just waiting to grace MMA with his Oliver Mccall impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 UFC 104: Shogun vs. The English Language picks: Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida: I'll go ahead and coin a term which has probably already been coined many times before (just let a man revel in his perceived creativity once in a while) - This is a classic submitter's chance here. See there? No going out on a limb on this one: if Yoshida doesn't want a relapse of the Koscheck Fight, it's clear what he should attempt to do. Johnson's striking is taking strides every time we see him, and Yoshida has the edge on the ground. The most probable key to this here fight is Yoshida's ability to close the distance and utilize his Judo against the formidable wrestler. I think Johnson ends this with a right hand from Georgia near the end of the first round. Johnson, KO, round 1. Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher: Joe Daddy throws heavy hands and has a submission game to speak of (the so called "guillotine" that has more of a "neck dislocator" look to it), but I think Fisher is seasoned enough to not fall in to one of those traps. This might be the second fight in a row where takedowns are the key. Joe can snatch rounds with methodical G&P (ahem...lay and pray) but I think Fisher is too scrappy for this particular fight to stall on the ground. Joe has a lot of heart, and Fisher is tough as nails. Split decision, Fisher. Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer: I'll go ahead and say Neer, while right around gatekeeper status, is an underrated fighter. On the ground he's a guy that can fend off and even possibly mount an offensive against the jiu jitsu practitioner in Tibau. Neer will keep the tempo high and Tibau should be game. Another close call, Split Decision, Neer. Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell: Velasquez's ground control after scoring takedowns, as in the Kongo fight, might again be the X-factor here. However, we have to imagine Rothwell (or anybody for that matter) can get out of ground situations a little better than Cheick Kongo. Velasquez's punches against the punching bag, if you caught either one of the Countdown shows he's been a part of, are a tad on the frightening side. However, I can't recall him throwing one of those missile-shots in a fight. Call it what you will, but I think Cain is still learning to apply what he does in the gym to the octagon. I think he's still too ripe to win this one. The guy has a ton of hype, and perhaps it's warrented in some peoples' minds, but it has people overlooking Ben Rothwell. I think Rothwell's power, experience and finisher's mindset will be the key to a TKO victory. Rothwell drops him and finishes with G&P in round 2. Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua: Machida has the most subtle style in MMA. Quick, incredibly hard to see, even for a spectator. From beginning to end, the final 30 seconds of his fight against Rashad had Machida displaying some of the most fluid striking the sport has ever seen. Disecting that small portion of their fight is fascinating. The absurdley sharp nature of his striking puts him a step ahead of every opponent he faces. His knack for following up quick-snapping kicks with a very short straight punch is a technique that keeps fighters unwilling to commit to anything. Whether or not Machida lands his punches, he will often attempt a few differet kinds of trips that are also hard to notice. However, there are two things that could be a crack in Machida's armor. The first has to be the most talked about question mark - his jiu jitsu hasn't been fully tested. Is Shogun Rua the one to test it? One thing is for sure, I'm not making a decision based on an estimation that Shogun will be sharper on the ground - especially since Machida grapples with the Nog brothers all the time. Don't be surprised if it's Machida who has the better overall ground game. The second possible weakness in Machida stems from his style of Karate. As a lot of people know, the major goal within that style is to pounce on mistakes and score the first punch. And as rare as it's happened, we've seen that pouncing style backfire on him before. Rashad and B.J. Penn both landed the same overhand right when Machida was unsuccessful with his attack. The counter puncher essentially got counter punched due to an overcomittment. He wasn't knocked down, but a little more juice on those strikes and you may have seen otherwise. Look for Shogun to land that exact punch. With all of that being said, the rarity of which Machida gets hit has to be put in perspective - it's essentially a puncher's chance for Rua, even with Shogun being such a fluid and graceful striker. Machida will keep Shogun off balance and make it a game of cat and mouse. Shogun's cardio has to be coming back to him at this point, but it still might not be enough for a championship fight. Shogun will get sloppy late in the fight and Machida will drop him with punches and secure another arm triangle choke in the fourth. Machida, arm triangle, round 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Machida just has that Last Dragon glow around him right nowpeople haven't seen him lose a single round, let alone come close to losing a fight. until that happens, people will continue to think he's unbeatable When you get hit by the least power punches in the entire UFC and you land the second highest percentage of punches (spider Silva is first) people are going to favor you. Shogun is a lot of things but he's never been good enough to say "I can knock you out, and you might not even be able to hit me"... there are two fighters in the UFC that can say that, The Dragon and The Spider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 When you get hit by the least power punches in the entire UFC and you land the second highest percentage of punches (spider Silva is first) people are going to favor you. Shogun is a lot of things but he's never been good enough to say "I can knock you out, and you might not even be able to hit me"... there are two fighters in the UFC that can say that, The Dragon and The Spider. Tribute to Tito Ortiz that he's the one so far that came the closest to beating Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Tribute to Tito Ortiz that he's the one so far that came the closest to beating Machida. after watching all of Machida's fights, Tito came closest to finishing Machida. ironically BJ Penn has probably put up the most competitive battle against him, which is a testament to Penn's greatness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 after watching all of Machida's fights, Tito came closest to finishing Machida. ironically BJ Penn has probably put up the most competitive battle against him, which is a testament to Penn's greatness Oh yes, forgot about BJ too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Fighters missing weight back and forth. Tibau and Neer were both over and agreed with each other not to cut anymore weight...Anthony Johnson weighed in 6 pounds overweight. Edited October 23, 2009 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Anthony Johnson weighed in at 176 me thinks this will be his last "welterweight" fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) UFC 104: Battle of the Bulge picks: Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen: Sonnen's one skill is wrestling. Okami's a pretty decent wrestler himself and will manage to keep it standing. on the feet okami, while nothing special, has a clear advantage. another decision for Okami thats gets him no closer to being on TV Okami by Unanimous Decision Antoni Hardonk vs. Pat Barry: both are standup specialists, so inexplicably this fight will be fought on the ground. if they do stand, i think Pat is slightly better, with his speed being a deciding factor Barry by (T)KO, round 2 Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer: Schafer is a good gatekeeper. neither are particularly good standing, although Bader definitely has the power. Schafer is a good black belt, but is much more proficient from top position. fighting against Bader he can expect to be on his back most of the fight Ryan Bader by Unanimous Decision Gleison Tibau vs. Josh Neer: never been that impressed with Tibau. his biggest battles have come against the scale, which he lost again today. neer will have the edge standing, but i dont think he can stop Tibau from taking him down. tibau is a black belt, so he should be able to stay out of Neer's active sub attempts from the bottom. Tibau by Split Decision Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida: before the weigh-ins i was fairly convinced Rumble would another victim to highlight reel of knockouts. after coming in 6lbs overweight, i'm almost certain that if Yoshida can get out of the first round, he will be able to submit Rumble once he surely gasses. Yoshida by Submission, round 2 Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher: two gatekeepers fighting doesn't really interest me much. Stevenson is much better wrestler, and fisher has never been known for his takedown defense. on the feet, Fisher should be able to get the better of the exchanges, but it wont last on the feet for long Stevenson (T)KO, round 2 Cain Velazquez vs. Ben Rothwell: cain's a great wrestler, with horrible striking defense. rothwell is a decent striker with a bad takedown defense. if cain hasn't improved his striking defense, rothwell could end the fight standing. i have to imagine rothwell will have some better defense on the ground than what Kongo represented. i still like Cain in this fight, on the strength of his wrestling. Cain by (T)KO, round 3 Lyoto Machida vs. Shogun Rua: this comes down to a simple question, is Shogun capable of fighting a completely different style than the one that he has fought with his entire career? Shogun's aggression is his trademark, giving it up will not be easy, but it will be essential if he has dreams of winning this fight Machida is Floyd Mayweather like in his discipline & skill of waiting for his opponent to make a mistake then proceeding to punish them for that mistake. both are defensive minded fighters first, who are deadly accurate when countering. Shogun may have one unexpected avenue to win this fight though. he manages to take fighters down alot more than people talk about. he got chuck down, and almost nobody takes chuck down. the ground game is one area machida's never really been tested. i have no doubts its good, but Shogun's ground game is as good as any at 205. he damn near submitted Arona, which is next to impossible. if shogun can somehow get it to the ground and turn this into a grappling match, it may be to his benefit. look for early signs of Shogun gassing as well. his cardio looked horrible against Forrest & Coleman, which some will attribute to injuries, and maybe rightfully so. against chuck his conditioning wasn't tested, but he definitely looked alot more fluid on his feet. if he even looks like he's gassing should it go past the first, he will have no chance of winning this fight all that said, i expect Machida to stay out of Shogun's killzones and use his superior countering abilities to flatline Shogun and retain his title. Machida by (T)KO, round 3 Edited October 24, 2009 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacky McSlackAss Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 (edited) Prelim card for Fight Night 20 looks pretty good. * Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Gray Maynard * Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Mike Pierce * Welterweight bout: Rick Story vs. Jesse Lennox * Welterweight bout: Rory MacDonald vs. Mike Guymon * Middleweight bout: Chris Leben vs. Jay Silva * Middleweight bout: Tom Lawlor vs. Aaron Simpson * Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs. Nik Lentz * Lightweight bout: Kyle Bradley vs. Rafael dos Anjos * Lightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Evan Dunham I'm hoping that being on campus most of the time will be an advantage for me when buying tickets. Edited October 24, 2009 by Slacky McSlackAss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Anyone gonna hang in the thread during the fights tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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