DaRock Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Why in the world are you coming on here comparing defenses? Do some research before you open your mouth. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?sort=ypg&stat=team&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005 2005 Defense: Redskins 9th Giants 24th Huge Gap! In the words of Carlos Mencina (derh derh derh)... That's all that needs to be said, go bother another messageboard in your free time. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 ok so you are discrediting our season by taking out our star?? of course Tiki helped us win a lot of games, he is the best RB in the NFC. thats like saying "the 49ers wouldnt have won all those SBs without montana. amd were Elis stats bad in the first half of the season since "they are always horrible"? and the All time winning record? who cares?!?! its all about now.... we are the defending nfc east champs no matter how you cut it..... Well right now is offseason or are you too ignorant to realize that. I don't care what happened last year, that was last year. I care about this up coming season. What do you think is going to happen if Lavar tries to blitz us? He's going to get his fat ass planted or when he tries to cover anyone, he's going to get burned. Antonio "The Mouth" Pierce won't be able to help you guys win by telling you how we play and practice. The O will be different. That was your ONLY advantage last year. This year he'll have to actually play well against us. You like other teams will not be able to load the box with 8 if you do you will be burned over and over again. You and other teams won't be able to double up on Moss, you do and Lloyd and Randel El will be waiting to eat your secondary alive. Your O line? hahha please I've seen stronger chains on wallets. Eli will be spending most of the day played against us looking up thinking "I should have stayed with San Diego" Your only hope is Tiki. Shockey can't do squat against us. Plastico? Springs, Carlos, ST will take care of him.. What's that leave you? Tiki.. Who knows maybe we stack the box near on the gnats. They've got nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Another stat to consider regarding Portis & Barber. This was brought up in a much earlier thread (but I'm too lazy to go find it). Portis is only one of 5 RB's - IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL - to rush for 1,500+ yards in 3 of his first 4 seasons in the league. The rest are either in the HOF or waiting for their inductions. I'll take that any day of the week. Not to take anything away from Tiki but he is getting close to that thirty-something wall that has afflicted the likes of Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes, Terrell Davis and other players who seemed to disappear after setting the NFL on fire for a season or two. Besides the Giants real problem is Eli. He'll never get out of his brother's shadow. Even with all of the weapons at his disposal - Tiki, Plax, Toomer, Shockey - he and the rest of the Giants came up small in their biggest game last season (they also disappeared down the strectch as demonstrated in the second game against the Skins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santana4prez Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Besides the Giants real problem is Eli. He'll never get out of his brother's shadow. Even with all of the weapons at his disposal - Tiki, Plax, Toomer, Shockey - he and the rest of the Giants came up small in their biggest game last season (they also disappeared down the strectch as demonstrated in the second game against the Skins). Yeah Eli really is a bum. If his last name wasnt Manning people would already be calling for his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT was The Force Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Why are you on a skins site frist off, secondly the giants secondary SUCKS, the skins are gona eat the giants alive this season. Good luck stoping Cp,Sellers, Moss, Randel El, Lloyd and Cooly. U R wrong. We R Better. No more Stone Hands Allen, "SEE-ya. Buh-bye." Sam Madison, All-Pro, steps in. And Will Demps of the Ravens, compatriot of Ed Reed the Amazing, joins the Gmen. Plus RW McQuarters...the cowboy...whatever...we have overhauled. "With the 25th Selection in The First Round, The New York Giants select: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson, track star, (former Olympian?!!), 6'0 200 pounds...big...fast...tackler...the next Deion...psyche.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 U R wrong. We R Better. No more Stone Hands Allen, "SEE-ya. Buh-bye." Sam Madison, All-Pro, steps in. And Will Demps of the Ravens, compatriot of Ed Reed the Amazing, joins the Gmen. Plus RW McQuarters...the cowboy...whatever...we have overhauled."With the 25th Selection in The First Round, The New York Giants select: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson, track star, (former Olympian?!!), 6'0 200 pounds...big...fast...tackler...the next Deion...psyche.... You sir are a babbling Jersey idiot Speak some English. And stop signing over the hill probowlers like Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Not only do you get shut out in the playoffs you were playing at home. You didn't deserve to win the division and you still stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT was The Force Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 You Redskin fans like showing that image of Terrell Owens as a 49er (as a bloody 49er whom any self-respecting NFC East GM who puke to see...) but I tell you what, ur gonna bring that wrath down upon you man. Terrell Owens is gonna be stompin all over your Snyder Logo at Fed Ex Field, dancing & prancing on yhour 50-yard line! As will Plaxico Burress, another Nightmare coming your way. (What music would you like him to dance to? You can make a request of Plax) Washington is on the way down, New York, the way up. Psyche You sir are a babbling Jersey idiotSpeak some English. And stop signing over the hill probowlers like Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafly Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 You Redskin fans like showing that image of Terrell Owens as a 49er (as a bloody 49er whom any self-respecting NFC East GM who puke to see...) but I tell you what, ur gonna bring that wrath down upon you man. Terrell Owens is gonna be stompin all over your Snyder Logo at Fed Ex Field, dancing & prancing on yhour 50-yard line! As will Plaxico Burress, another Nightmare coming your way. (What music would you like him to dance to? You can make a request of Plax) Washington is on the way down, New York, the way up. Psyche No they wont. We have a significant deterrent for such disrespectful behavior. And his name is Sean Taylor. He makes your 'Nightmares' look like a wet dream in comparison. I guarantee you, if they pull any ****, he will pancake their ass into early retirement. They'll WISH he had spit on them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I don't know why people bother responding to the incoherent type Giants fans that have arrived lately. They don't respond to facts or logic, they just post ellipses, non-sequitors and wishful thinking. Ignore them and they'll eventually wander off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoIn2Shock Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 It'll be a sight to see when #26 runs through Lavar on OCT 8th, if his knees are still intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santana4prez Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 You Redskin fans like showing that image of Terrell Owens as a 49er (as a bloody 49er whom any self-respecting NFC East GM who puke to see...) but I tell you what, ur gonna bring that wrath down upon you man. Terrell Owens is gonna be stompin all over your Snyder Logo at Fed Ex Field, dancing & prancing on yhour 50-yard line! As will Plaxico Burress, another Nightmare coming your way. (What music would you like him to dance to? You can make a request of Plax) Washington is on the way down, New York, the way up. Psyche 1.I like seeing the clip of Sean Taylor knocking out Owens in a game 2 years ago then Owens looking like a baby on the sidelines. 2.Owens never did **** vs the Skins when he was in Philly and he wont do **** in Dallas either. 3.Teach plax how to catch a ball before you tall **** like that. Nice drop in Washington last year Plax you really do suck. 4. The Giants arent **** and when yall are in last place after this season I will come to your Giant board and say hi im santana4prez fan of the World Champion Washington Redskins!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvin Walton's Mohawk Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 The Giants signed 3 DB's to help the secondary (Madison, McQuaters, and Demps) QUOTE]A friend of mine who is a Giants fan sent me this link for Will Demps and even HE agrees that the guy must be a homo..... check it out: www.willdemps.com Seriously, who does this guy think he is??? He is a friggin average nickelback and his site provides a calendar so that you can find out "when I might be in your area". What a joke. He probably uses this site as a vehicle to pick up other gay men.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvin Walton's Mohawk Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yards are the worst way to rank defences. PPG is the right way to do it, and when you do that. The Giants had the 14th best D in the NFL. . Until the end of the year the Giants D was not half bad. Add LA to it and re roll the please stay healthy for a year dice and the Giants should have a top 10 D next year. Yards are the worst way to rank defenses????? Are you kidding? That's exactly how defenses ARE offcially ranked. PPG can be misleading because defenses may be put in bad positions due to offensive turnovers. Obviously, both statistics are important, but YPG show just how efficient and consistent a defense is at stopping offenses from moving the ball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portis4President Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Portis4President, How does it feel to be a Redskin fan in Steel city? Hey, sorry I missed this question. It feels fine. I have a mild fondness for the Steelers because so many of my friends are die-hard fans. Of course, I'd lose all of those friends if the Steelers ever met the Skins in the big game, regardless of who won. P.S. Sorry for jocking yr president username. Total accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTiki21 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Another stat to consider regarding Portis & Barber. This was brought up in a much earlier thread (but I'm too lazy to go find it). Portis is only one of 5 RB's - IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL - to rush for 1,500+ yards in 3 of his first 4 seasons in the league. The rest are either in the HOF or waiting for their inductions. I'll take that any day of the week. Not to take anything away from Tiki but he is getting close to that thirty-something wall that has afflicted the likes of Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes, Terrell Davis and other players who seemed to disappear after setting the NFL on fire for a season or two. That is an impressive stat of Clinton Portis', but I think it's somewhat pointless to compare Portis' first 3 years with Barber's. Tiki Barber only had 50-60 attempts in 2 of his first 3 years. I'm not saying he would have rushed for 1500 yards. Just thought thats somewhat of an important factor in that argument. Also due to this, he is continuing to have success into his 30s since he did not take the pounding when he first came into the league. Will he eventually succumb to his age? Of course. I just don't see it happening as soon as most think. I can't ask anything more of a running back then to continously improve himself as the seasons go on. Tiki Barber has done just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFC Beast Posted April 26, 2006 Author Share Posted April 26, 2006 hey , check out this article on TIKI: Offseason workouts a big help for Giants Barber By ERNIE PALLADINO epalladi@lohud.com THE JOURNAL NEWS Related news from the Web Latest headlines by topic: • Sports • Tiki Barber • NFL Football • New York Giants • NFL Players Powered by Topix.net (Original publication: April 26, 2006) A full-on picture of Tiki Barber finishing his electrifying 41-yard touchdown run against Kansas City last season sits on the corner of Joe Carini's desk at Sports U. Its inscription, penned by Barber to Carini in black Sharpie, reads "Never stop until we reach our goal." Barber won't say what that goal is, but one can bet it has something to do with a 2,000-yard season and a Super Bowl title. Whatever, the offseason physical work that will take the Giants' running back to his own promised land happens just a few yards from that picture. It happens among a cluster of weight machines in this state-of-the-art sports facility in Fairfield, N.J., right across from a basketball court where vigorous teenagers participate in a camp; right across from the batting cages and AstroTurf area, and a sprinting strip where Barber will wind up his one hour of torture. It is a necessary exercise. At 31, Barber needs to be ever sturdier to guard against the nicks and bruises of a long season. The benefits of the high-weight, low-repetition and — just for the record — zero-drug lifting program the 47-year-old Carini lays out for him now will carry Barber to the end of the schedule. Carini, a former national powerlifting champion, said Barber already is 15 percent stronger at this point than he was all last season, according to the tonnage the running back pulls, pushes, and hoists over his workouts. "It's only April," Barber said. "We just got started, and I'm already hitting my maxes from last year. "The thing is, once you get used to hitting high loads, your body doesn't forget it. That's why I've stayed healthy. You build up so much muscle mass that you can overcome things when you get into compromising positions." None of this comes from sitting in a chair and idly shooting the breeze with the affable but intense Carini, of course. The secret is in the machines and how the personal trainer employs them. Some, like the leg and squat machines, can be found in any conventional gym. Most lifters Barber's size don't leg press 1,030 pounds in one shot, though. Nor do they squat 650. Others are contraptions of specific pain Carini thought up himself. Take, for instance, a little number Barber calls "The Yoke." It's a 260-pound frame and adjustable crossbar with flanges for weights at the bottom. On this day, Barber threw an additional 180 pounds on that bad boy and carried it, on his shoulders and then across his folded arms, down the sprint strip for 10 yards. Its subtle forward-and-back and side-to-side swaying as he walked forced Barber to use the smaller muscles in his legs for balance. The increased strength in those will help him cope with the odd-angle hits that take other backs to the ground. "That's why I was able to break so many tackles," he said, referring to his team-record 1,860-yard performance that puts him in line this year to break the 10,000-yard career plateau. Awkward? Yes. Unorthodox? You bet. "I never question Joe," Barber said. "I just do what he asks me. I'm his little guinea pig." He's apparently a perfectly willing little piggy. Carini sold Barber on his power-based philosophy three years ago. Since then, Barber has put 25 pounds of muscle on his original 180-pound chassis. The emphasis Barber has put on weight training later in his career might be a regimen the backs taken in this weekend's draft would do well to follow right from the get-go. Barber and Carini focus on a different area each offseason. Last year it was bulking up the upper body. This year it's agility. "We're not only doing the strength stuff," Carini said, "but also some awkward movement to maximize his agility." But always, it's the weight. And it's all done without the support belt that helps competitive lifters really load up. It's pure body work. "Two days ago, he's doing a shoulder press we call the hammer press, and he's working out with 400 pounds," said Carini, who carries well over 300 pounds on his frame. "Now, he's 210, 212 pounds. Guys my size aren't doing that kind of weight. "Right now, the leg presses are over 1,000 pounds. Shoulder press? Last year, he did one rep of 300. This year, two reps of 325. His dead lift is much heavier than a year ago." The sounds stay the same, though. "Ar-r-r-r-g-uh!" Barber grunted as his shoulders hoisted 805 pounds on the quarter-squat machine. Such is the price of success. But it's only a partial tally. Remember, this is what he does on the side. A typical full week for Barber includes four days of lifting and running in the Giants' offseason conditioning program at Giants Stadium, and five sessions in Carini's little Chamber of Horrors. Nine weight workouts total. "All right, Tiki," Carini said midway through the workout. "Wanna do some squats?" "Yeah, sure," Barber said. "Like I have any choice." It's a wonder he has the energy to call "Walk!" over to the basketball-camp participants that catch his glance between reps. "It's needed," Barber said. "I'd always believed in being lean and cut. But football is played by big, powerful men. Early in my career, I was always nicked and hurt. Now I can play hurt and I don't lose a step." It's all part of making the man Carini calls, pound for pound, the strongest player in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 When we sign Arrington, will have the best LB corps in the NFL if they stay healthy. Are you high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santana4prez Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 hey , check out this article on TIKI: Hey check this thread on Portis..... EXTREMESKINS.com - Byner: Portis' Goal is 2000 yards I bet my RB reaches 2,000 yds before yours does.:nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Giants suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaK9Trainer Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 One message for the G- men.....BRING IT ON!!! We're Ready!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4481 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 OMG, after seeing www.willdemps.com I am totally convinced Will Demps is a closet homosexual! They have a section where it says "Ask Will" and I asked him "Why are you so gay?" I wonder if he'll respond lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT was The Force Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Whatever Pat, here's Demps' take on the 7 new DB's on the Blue Roster for 06-07. http://www.willdemps.com/commerce/inthenews/inthenews.asp?reqdate=3/31/2006&id_passed=6 Not so funny N-E mo, No? "I be in dat secondary, n I be kickin your @$$." The Giants signed 3 DB's to help the secondary (Madison' date=' McQuaters, and Demps) QUOTE']A friend of mine who is a Giants fan sent me this link for Will Demps and even HE agrees that the guy must be a homo..... check it out: www.willdemps.com Seriously, who does this guy think he is??? He is a friggin average nickelback and his site provides a calendar so that you can find out "when I might be in your area". What a joke. He probably uses this site as a vehicle to pick up other gay men.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4481 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dude, really I wouldnt be 'bragging' about my secondary if I were the Giants. Talk about Pierce, Arrington, Osi, Strahan but dont even dare go there(secondary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Giant fans are quickly catching up with eagle & poke fans on the lunacy chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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