RealFootball365:Redskins' recent WR acquisitions are questionable (MERGED & RETITLED)

[skinsman4u]

All i think that article is saying is this:

Redskins have small recievers

Small recievers get hurt

Randle El sux

David Patten sux

Boo Redskins Boo

I think this reporter is the one who will be in for a rude awakening come September

Okay and on any given Sunday, any receiver regardless of size can be slamed to China. Ask TO vs Marcus Washington 04 season, Philly at Washington, Sunday Night. I'm sure TO can tell you all about it; moreover, the receivers are not the reason why we're about to approach a 30yr SB win drought, I'll say it again, a SB win 30 yr drought. They'll be plenty of play-offs, but no SB. The receivers will have nothing to do with it and not any other Redskin players for that matter. Don't feed the jinx!

[BigRay]

One more thing to point out I really think this negative press works in their favor really I am sure they have heard and read some of this stuff these jerks writing and saying . I think they going to play with a chip on their shoulders especially all the criticism about Randle El. I really do believe he is going to have a bigger impact than these so call experts and even fellow skin fans may think. If anyone I think is really going to have to prove himself it is Antwaan so it will justify the contract he is getting. I'm sure he will do just fine. People keep saying look at his numbers with the Steelers those numbers really do not tell the whole truth the Steelers is a running team so of course his numbers aren't going to be great. This kid is a keeper I have followed him all through his college and nfl career.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

I guess this guy forgot about Chris Cooley...

[ouvan59]

After their recent free agent frenzy the Washington Redskins' offense has gone from an afterthought to the marquee attraction. They've got a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in Clinton Portis. They've got a Pro Bowl-caliber receiver in Santana Moss. They just signed a circus-catch specialist with Pro Bowl potential in Brandon Lloyd, and they just signed one of the most versatile wide receivers in the league in Antwaan Randle El.

Here is their take from last week's article.

[chaser]

Someone needs to tell this guy that there is no such thing as cap hell and the 'Skins dont overpay for players because of our creative contracts and great team management.

[usc35]

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Originally Posted by THEHEREAFTER

C'mon.. I think you're wwaaaayyy too sensitive on this one. This is just really objective criticism.

If he had written an article that ripped the Cowboys for signing Terrell Owens because he is old and hasn't played a full season in 3 years I am certain you might find some issue with it especially if they had suggested he would be a great pickup for another team in an earlier article.

Yeah, Right On !!

[skinstzar]

Fortunately for us we can also throw the ball to two pretty good tight end/ h backs. For this "writer" (I couldn't use that term any more loosely) to ignore the addition of Fauria and the presence of Cooley is truely ignorant. Of course we aren't going to throw the ball to our recievers on every play. When we need five-ten yards we call on Cooley. If he is covered we throw to the tight end. Then once teams start crowding the box to stop portis and the short pass, we hit them deep. It is really simple. Joe Gibb's and Al Saunders schemes make football pretty easy. They make you give them what they want. For this d bag to ignore that and ignore the three super bowls that Joe Gibbs won with similar talent is pretty stupid on his part.

To suggest that players are bigger and faster is only one side of the story. The league was less watered down when Gibbs won his Superbowls. In the time span of Gibbs I only 5 unique franchises represented the NFC in the Superbowl. Joe Gibbs was coaching in the greatest coaching era and greatest player era in the history of football. He has now taken this team to the playoffs when everyone thought they wouldn't win 5 games. I still have yet to see one article that gives Gibbs the accolades he deserves.

Is there media bias or disdain for the Redskins? No doubt 100%. This perpetuates the way football fans outside of the Redskins fan base feel about this organization. It is going to be just desserts when the parade marches down 14th street again and guys like this can eat a bag of ****.

[Art]

As we've discussed in previous threads about the size of receivers, we are no longer in the era of big receivers. You don't need guys who can box someone out and get the rebound at that spot now. Contact rules have altered the game. It is now a game about quickness. Big guys who are quick will be superstars. Little guys who are quick will also dominate. With limitations on the contact, you need guys who can quickly develop their routes and come in and out of breaks at speed. Most teams will move to smaller quicker receivers for a while.

Randle El counts $13.5 million against the cap over four years or five years with the last year or two being dead if he doesn't work out. It's hard to say he's been overpaid. He got overpaid in bonus. He got underpaid in base. In the end, he's happy because he has more guarantees than he normally would, but, he's ALSO making LESS than he would in a typical three-year deal like one signed by David Givens. Year 4 then becomes the time you balance his worth and decide whether to keep him at cost, spread it out or release him.

I hated Randle El as the primary No. 2 receiver for us. I thought he was ill-suited for the outside receiver spot. But, in the roll he played for Pittsburgh as the slot guy, matchup problem, I love having him.

[Art]

If he had written an article that ripped the Cowboys for signing Terrell Owens because he is old and hasn't played a full season in 3 years I am certain you might find some issue with it especially if they had suggested he would be a great pickup for another team in an earlier article.

Nah, he'd have been ok with it because all that's actually true .

[SteelerSkins]

the guy isn't necessarily irrational, it's just that the game isn't so cut and dry as he makes it out . . . people forget who is coaching the washington redskins . . .

[akorn22]

These are all valid points that this guy makes, but none of them good points. First of all he has to realize that the reason we payed so much for Randle El isn;t based on past production, but probably more based on the fact that we wanted him signing with us. Im sure there were good reasons to go after sim and make sure we get him. I have a feeling that Gibbs and Saunders looked at his speed an verastility and said to themselves "hey, our system would be a good match for this guy." I feel confident that if Our coaching staff went after Randle Ed so intently even after the Lloyd trade, they probably have something up their sleeve. I also feel confident that our coaching staff and their system can make both Randle El and lloyd more productive then they have been in the past. And like the writer also said, this should make patten try harder; that's a good thing.

He also makes the arguement about bigger sized corners these days. Well all I have to say to that is....that's what every analyst said last year and look how that turned out.

[akorn22]

Plus, no corner, no matter what the size can defend against the kind of catches that Lloyd can make

[GaryClark4Canton]

And everyone seems to forget how productive the posse of old was with Monk, Clark and Sanders each logging 70+ catches and 1000+ yards each in one season. It is possible to get similar production out of 3 receivers. There are enough balls to go around when a team is coached correctly.

Another guy mentioned it already in this thread, that everyone points to Randel El's production of last year not taking into consideration the role that he was asked to play.

Same things were said about Moss when he first arrived in DC. "Look at his production in NY, what are the skins doing?? BLAH BLAH BLAH"

HTTR :logo:

[smitty71]

The main argument I have with this article is towards the end when he comments on Receiver Size. Size is such an overrated quality for a receiver. As long as a guy can get open he can catch the ball!

The 3 guys we have now are speedsters and have great athleticism. We HAVE improved at this position with these acquisitions despite what these bandwagon bashing reporters say. It is the "In thing," to rag on the Skins since Snyder bought the team and although I am sick and tired of these hack writers, we will probably have to put up with them until we win the Superbowl - sooner than later.

11-5 This season and Superbowl appearance.

[SkinsGuy]

No animosity?

"It seems like a classic case of Dan Snyder vastly overpaying for the wrong players. Only time will tell how this will turn out. However, if it doesn't work out, don't say I didn't tell you so."

He's just another moron under the assumption that Snyder is still making the calls regarding free agents. We know that's not the case any longer. Gibbs don't play that!!!

I agree with you that he made a lot of mistakes, contradicted himself, and even used the media's "Snyder mantra" as well.

I just didn't see the nastiness in it like we see from the more notorious national sports columnist that are known here.

I don't think it was a personal article... just a badly mis-informed one.

[pvkeeper19]

The thing that really irks me is that throughout the season, the media praise players like Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle-El, and Steve Smith for their continuing contributions to their teams and their obvious playmaking ability. But as soon as the season ends and we pay Randle-El the big bucks, he's too small and it's a bad idea. Look around the league at some of last season's top receivers: Smith, 5'9"; Moss, 5'10; Joey Galloway, 5'11"; Terry Glenn, 5'11"; Chris Chambers, 5'11"; Deion Branch, 5'9". Are any of them "too small"?

Our top three receivers are 5'10", 6'0", and 5'10". Does anyone else remember another group of three wideouts who, two seasons ago, each put up over 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns? Their names are Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Brandon Stokley, and not one of them is taller than 6'0".

After Randy Moss took the league by storm, everyone went out looking for that protoypical big. How did that work out for teams like the Lions, who drafted height three times in a row in Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams? My point is, playing wide receiver in the NFL has a lot less to do with height and a lot more to do with athletic ability and versatility than most people assume. Moss and Randle-El have proven that they are highly driven players who will do whatever is asked of them and put forth continuous effort to win, which is why they have had success. I think in an environment like that, Brandon Lloyd can be the same kind of player, despite whatever criticisms of his work ethic may have been made in the past.

Further, on the issue of Randle-El's stats, it's not fair to compare him to other #2 wideouts. In Pittsburgh, where their #1 caught only 69-975-11 last year, I think it's fair to say that he wasn't given the opportunity at as many catches as other #2's.

[Critz1407]

Everyone complains that small recievers are bad. Look at Moss and Smith last year, and the patriots offense for the past few years, there were no huge recievers. Once the season is over and the Redskins have prevailed the NFC East champions we will see what the press says then.

[photo4u]

I have to say that I agree with the article. We spent way too much money on these players, but wouldn't keep the players that we had to continue the chemistry. Sure we needed a receiver, but Brandon would have been fine. Now you give Randle El all that money to be a number 3.......doesn't make sense to me. Is this what everyone had to restructure for???

As far as Patten, half the time Brunell didn't even look his way to get thrown the ball last year. We sat in our seats at FED EX and saw him running open and Brunell tried to get the ball to Moss, sometimes it worked a lot of times it didn't.

Gibbs must be trying to go back to the fun bunch era or something.

[MossFan89]

Just found this article, I did not see it posted anywhere here.

This guy sounds like a Lenny P. wanna be.

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/washington-redskins-receivers230306.php

this is the reason i love bein a skins fan :dallasuck :gaintsuck :eaglesuck

[jdfountain]

No animosity?

"It seems like a classic case of Dan Snyder vastly overpaying for the wrong players. Only time will tell how this will turn out. However, if it doesn't work out, don't say I didn't tell you so."

He's just another moron under the assumption that Snyder is still making the calls regarding free agents. We know that's not the case any longer. Gibbs don't play that!!!

I think it's more like Gibbs is picking the players and Snyder/Cerrato are working the money side of things. I find it to be a valid argument that we overpaid for Randle El and it's true that only time will tell if he earns his money. I don't think the guy is biased. Every reporter that doesn't agree with a football teams moves is not neccessarily bashing. Every reporter that picks the Skins as the NFC champs are "great reporters" and the ones with a difference of opinion "sucks". The good thing about sports is that it will all be settled on the field. Unfortunately, all of those "sucky" reporters have been right for the past 13 years with the exception of last season. HTTR

[B.A.M.F.]

What I don't get is how he starts off saying that we look really good, but WAIT... we overpaid. Hmmm, does it matter if we paid to much for him? If he improves the O at all, doesn't that mean we improved? Then he goes on to say that getting 2 WR was overkill, but the problem with them being small is they could get injured... better to have depth then no?

The fact of the matter is that ARE could be the difference in any number of games, not by putting up huge stats, but by providing back-breaking plays. The Colts' WRs put up huge numbers, did they win the superbowl? There is more to players than just the stats, and I'm glad our coaches know that.

[BleedBNG]

Just found this article, I did not see it posted anywhere here.

This guy sounds like a Lenny P. wanna be.

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/washington-redskins-receivers230306.php

I stopped reading when I got to "As a matter of fact....."

Sounds too much like "Case in point...."

If they like playing GM for the Redskins, and 'ALL' I read is negativity, then I KNOW we're on the right track.

If they agreed most of the time.... THEN I'd worry.

:yawnee:

[Sinclair]

he is entitled to his opinion...but how can people get off talking about how 4 small receivers are a bad thing...we went to the 2nd round of the playoffs with only 1(patten was hurt of course) oh well..we shall see..

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

and why was it too convenient for the guy not to mention the addition of Al Saunders???

[ChiefPowhatan17]

That is real funny how the haters have to doubt anything that is done at the Park. I think this guy is a real bozo. I think that we will utilize all the receivers, plus Al Saunders had a great deal to do with who we brought in. It's not just Gibbs. I think that Randle El contract is high, but we do need a consistent return man on punt and kickoff.:logo: