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President Ahmadinejad Doubts The Holocaust, and Says Israel Should Move To Europe

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Iran leader: Move Israel to Europe

Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave on Thursday in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Historians say six million Jews were killed in the Nazi Holocaust. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift rebukes from Israel and Washington.

"This is not the first time, unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"He is not just Israel's problem. He is a worry for the entire international community," he added.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "It just further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."

Once allies

Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.

Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.

Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles which can reach it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed to be nuclear-armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a surprise election victory in June, said:

"The question is, where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

Jews trace their roots in Israel back to Biblical times.

Ahmadinejad concluded his remarks by reiterating Iran's proposal that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved via a referendum of all the inhabitants of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank as well as Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries.

"Whatever they decide will be accepted by all humanity. This is a clear democratic solution which is based on international principles," he said.

Copyright 2005 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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This guy is the biggest dumbass in the Middle East right now.

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Had Jimmy Carter helped the Shah of Iran we wouldn't be dealing with the mess that is there now.

Actually had we not caused a coup in Iran and INSTALLED the Shah of Iran in 1953, we would have a friendly, democratic Iran that would be very secular

The term blowback can be applied to the 1953 debacle

(Although the actual coup itself was brilliant)

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Had Jimmy Carter helped the Shah of Iran we wouldn't be dealing with the mess that is there now.

Better yet, had the CIA and Eisenhower not decided that the president of Iran was not a close enough ally back in the fifties, we would all be a heck of a lot better off.

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Better yet, had the CIA and Eisenhower not decided that the president of Iran was not a close enough ally back in the fifties, we would all be a heck of a lot better off.

Or if the Brits did not want all that oil

It was clearly a coup for oil. Read what British Petroluem says on its website about the coup, they call it "intense negotiations"

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Actually had we not caused a coup in Iran and INSTALLED the Shah of Iran in 1953, we would have a friendly, democratic Iran that would be very secular

The term blowback can be applied to the 1953 debacle

(Although the actual coup itself was brilliant)

Oh yeah it couldn't have been Carter's fault, and let me guess you believe Truman won the Cold War.

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Oh yeah it couldn't have been Carter's fault, and let me guess you believe Truman won the Cold War.

Please just stop, you clearly are out of your depth on this issue...and Truman did have a lot to do with Cold War policy and keeping us from falling behind the Soviets for a long time. Much of the foreign policy of the presidents after him was based on his and his advisor's strategies but only re-named.

He was not quite so successful domestically though, to put it mildly.

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Oh yeah it couldn't have been Carter's fault, and let me guess you believe Truman won the Cold War.

Considering I am a card carrying member of the vast right wing conspiracy, you are wrong :laugh:

I have just read a TON on the 1953 coup, including a great book called "All the Shahs Men"

Because of past policy, Carter really had his hands tied. Because the Shah was an incompetent boob, he lost his country

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If that's supposed to be an insult of somesort I'm sorry but I missed it, I've only been a member for a month so again, what is your point?

I just noticed a similarity in posting style between yourself and a former poster. Kind of an attack dog approach, combined with what appears to be a narrow historical view. Few people, even conservatives, feel that there was much Jimmy Carter could have done to prop up the Shah for very long. Even those that might think so would not get mad if someone disagreed, or then follow up with a dig at Harry Truman out of right field.

But AtlantaSkinsFan would have. Now you understand.

Maybe visionary has more credibility than I on this issue, since he is a known conservative. Or SkinsHokie.

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Considering I am a card carrying member of the vast right wing conspiracy, you are wrong :laugh:

I have just read a TON on the 1953 coup, including a great book called "All the Shahs Men"

Because of past policy, Carter really had his hands tied. Because the Shah was an incompetent boob, he lost his country

Doesn't it state in that book that Roosevelts(Teddy) grandson stage the second coup unauthorized? I don't recall reading the book, but I remember this for some reason(college maybe)? This is a question, not a sarcastic remark.

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Doesn't it state in that book that Roosevelts(Teddy) grandson stage the second coup unauthorized? I don't recall reading the book, but I remember this for some reason(college maybe)? This is a question, not a sarcastic remark.

Yeah they told him to get out because the situation was starting to detiorate

But Kermit Roosevelt was absolutley brilliant, and the way that he pulled the strings to make the coup happen is nothing short of genius

Rather then tucking his tail and taking off from Iran, he got the job done

Now its clear the policy that led to the coup was flawed, and the results of the coup are a failure, HOWEVER, the mechanics and the scheme of the coup itself is nothing but genius

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Just do a search for posts by Atlanta Skins Fan...all will be revealed. :)

On a side note... I tried doing a search on 'Wacky Ralph' earlier... and it didn't work.

I even found his profile and clicked on 'find all posts' and it said there were none... what's up with that?

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