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  1. I have a Redzone pass and 2 tickets in section 105. Maybe we can work something out.
  2. Section 105. Row 8. Seats 19 and 20. $100 for both and I will throw in the Redzone Pass. The Redzone is where the Extreme Skins tailgate is held. Or make an offer.
  3. Friend canceled out at last minute. Section 105. Row 8. Seat 20. I will be sitting next to you. A few rows behind Pez and Huly. $100. If you buy the ticket I will throw in the Redzone Pass for $10. The Redzone is where the Extreme Skins tailgate is held. Or make an offer.
  4. Wow. Did anyone see that FSU Seminoles commercial? We need a sponsor. Black & white. A Seminole on a paint horse with a spear and war paint. "A sprit roams these parts, a spirit of respect, competition and academic greatness." I chatted with a Cherokee dude last night who wasn't raised on a reservation. He said that his grandmother does live on a reservation. When he was a boy she explained to him that a warrior was more than just a soldier. A warrior took responsibility in the community and respected women. A warrior was a man, and that's what it took to be a man.
  5. I'm on record for keeping the name and disassociating the team from American Indians, which I have justified in other posts. One thing that I am noticing here and posts in the Washington Post is that when I say that American Indians don't have red skin, or even reddish skin, the conversation seems to come to a dead stop. The perception that Indians have a natural red tint to their skin is so ingrained that folks on all sides of the Redskin issue just don't know where to put the notion that Indians are naturally brown skinned and that the only time their skin is red is when they color it red or stay out in the sun too long. In her paper Nancy Shoemaker dispels every historical instance that she found where someone described Indians as having natural red skin. Her conclusion is that many Indians colored their skin red for various reasons related to deep beliefs about the origination of the first man and characteristics believed about the color red. I assume that old Western shows and movies have implanted the idea that Indians have natural red skin in the minds of almost all non-Indians. It definitely changes the conversation when I bring it up. If any conversation needed a change it is this one about the Redskin name regardless of where it leads, so I'm really curious about what others think about it.
  6. The perception that the name references skin color, although widely accepted, is not the real meaning of the word. Hollywood and John Wayne may have done more to advance that notion than anything else but it is nowhere to be found in the historical documents. In her filings in the trademark case Amanda Blackhorse clearly states "we do not have red skin". The misperception that that "redskin" is a reference to natural skin color is the starting point of the controversy. Real resolution won't be possible until this is recognized. The best source that I have found is a paper, "How the Indians got to be Red", written by Professor Nancy Shoemaker published in 1997. Ives Goddard used her research in writing his often cited paper for the Smithsonian. The Indians who first came into contact with Europeans never claimed to have natural red skin and the Europeans never described the Indians as having natural red skin. They did comment though on the practice of some tribes of dyeing their skin red. Indian tribes in the Northeast did not describe themselves as being red, rather it was the tribes of the Southeast that referred to themselves as "redskins", "red people" and "red men". She theorizes that the self identification with red may simply have been to distinguish themselves from Europeans who referred to themselves as white and referred to Africans as black. But that doesn't explain why they chose red instead of some other color. She attributes that to several "origination" beliefs by various Southeastern tribes that had God creating the first men and women out of red clay. It is as if the Indians aspired to be red because of what the color represented. They painted their skin red for ceremonies, as medicinal treatments and for war. What I have found in researching cultures around the world is this same affinity for the color red. (If you go to page 239 post # 9522 you will see what I mean.) At the end of her paper Shoemaker acknowledges that "redskins" and other terms for the Indians were turned into derogatory terms by the Americans, but that the origination of these terms came from the Indians themselves and only became derogatory when conflicts occurred. By the same token she informs us that the Cherokees referred to white people as "the white nothings", "the ugly white people" and "white dung-hill". Creating denigrating terms for one's enemies is a common human trait, but it does not change the history of the origination of the term redskin. Unfortunately the Indians strong desire to bond themselves with the color red for deeply spiritual reasons, and the term "redskin" have created the misimpression that Indians actually have red skin. "Redskin' is not a reference to the natural skin color of Indians. It is a reference to rituals of painting and dyeing the skin red which the American Indians shared with cultures and warriors all over the planet for deeply spiritual and universal reasons that apparently are part of the human psyche. In that context it is not racist at all.
  7. Yo brother. I'm next to you in section 105. I just try to have fun on game day. If having fun is dependent on what happens on the field then I'll stop going.
  8. I assume that you know that there is no dictionary conspiracy. They do a good job of serving some basic functions but quickly get out of their element when they try to make judgments, especially regarding social issues. If the dictionaries were trying to be informative they might try: Redskins: A reference to skin dyes used by Native Americans. Sometimes used as a derogatory term. This informs the reader that the association of red skin with Native Americans has it's source in rituals related to dyeing their skin red. With a little research the reader then at least has a chance of understanding that the only time that Native Americans have red skin is when they paint it red, or they have been out in the sun too long just like anyone else. They may also, if they are paying attention and stick with it, come to realize that referring to a group of people based on a ritual that they shared with people and cultures from all over the planet going back thousands of years in human history could not possibly be a racist or derogatory term, unless the speaker intended it to be. In usage the meaning of the term then is based on each speaker's level of knowledge and intent. The last speaker's knowledge and intent doesn't determine what the next speaker means when he uses the term. Unless dictionary folks who are in over their heads try to change the definition of a term based on their social opinions.
  9. Usually folks that bring up that ridiculous argument are folks who buy into the dictionary definition of redskin because they are not capable of thinking for themselves. So I point out that neither of the words blackskins or whiteskins are in their precious dictionaries, and why would any team pick a name that wasn't even a word? Other fun questions for dictionary jihadists: How is it that "white man" is defined as "a man who is white", and "black man" is defined as "a man who is black", but "red man" is defined as "a derogatory term for native Americans"?? The credibility/consistency of the people who write the dictionaries is sketchy at best.
  10. You and I have the same disease. When I started seriously researching the topic months ago I was willing to be persuaded either way based on whatever I was able to find out. As I wrote to Bang the other day, when it became apparent to me that certain Indian leaders have no interest in the truth I kind of lost patience with the whole lot of them.
  11. If we are hoping that polls of Indians are going to carry the day we are dreaming. The money and political pressure within the Indian community one day will flip those polls. At a minimum we shouldn't blindly depend on the belief that it won't. That is why I never cite polls of Indians.
  12. Thanks for the link Grego, I'll add it to my collection. There is no mistaking that there are multiple underlying conflicts in the Indian community. If you read the comments sections of various Indian on-line publications you often can pick up on it. Who is considered to be a card carrying member of a tribe and who is denied their card is a big issue. Most tribal leaders are elected. After winning office some will try to kick the people who didn't support them out of the tribe. If that is endemic then it would explain why it takes an act of courage sometimes for a card carrying tribe member to support the Redskins if their leadership is against the name. I suspect that some gambling money from Oneida and other tribes goes to the NCAI (National Congress of American Indians) and is distributed to the tribes that support their positions. That would explain why recently when Chris Cooley had a nice visit with a tribe somewhere but later the Chief of that tribe would only say that he supported NCAI positions. My thoughts are all conjecture but I don't underestimate the ability of the NCAI to put pressure on individual tribes to support their anti-Redskin agenda. You probably already have this but if not:
  13. Bang, I can understand why you thought that I was questioning your patriotism and I apologize for not expressing myself clearly. I was assuming your patriotism but was questioning the basis of your loyalty to Indians because honestly I've gotten pretty fed up with some Indians. Pretty angry actually. My aggressive questioning had nothing to do with patriotism, it was directed at all of our positive assumptions about Indians. One day a few months ago after spending weeks researching the topic I came to the conclusion that The folks leading the fight against the Redskins, Susan Harjo, Amanda Blackhorse, Clyde Bellecourt and Ray Halbritter are all self centered liars who are just interested in pumping up their own egos and status within the Indian community. The integrity, bravery and honor that Redskin fans have believed are the hallmarks of Native American warriors are absent in these people. I realize that they may not be representative and that there are plenty who disagree with them but they seem to be gaining a voice, a voice that keeps repeating lies in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary. Do I want my football team associated with these people? They at least have a case to make based on the truth, and at a minimum they have an opportunity to shine a light on real problems that their people face. Instead they have chosen to poison the day with lies and unfounded accusations of racism directed at anyone who disagrees with them. Once again I would never question anyone's patriotism. It's too personal of a thing, which probably makes your point that having a football team try to be themed on honoring the military is not a good thing. I live in Virginia Beach which is dominated much more by the military than D.C. is. My wife works for the Navy and comes from a Navy family. I don't question anyone's patriotism. I'm just really irritated with some Indians. I used a false choice between honoring the military versus honoring Indian warriors when I should have just explained my recent conclusions about some Indian leaders. Sorry for the confusion.
  14. There is a real difference in the perception of the meaning of the team name depending on where you sit. The Redskins are in the position where someone else is defining who they are. When GPM renamed the team and gave it a new logo, probably in concert with his new head coach, he didn't define what the name meant. I don't think anyone knows what he would have said, but his mission was to sell tickets. The new Washington Redskins would define themselves. Others will continue to debate what the old name meant, but the team would have moved on. The ancient mythology of War Gods include many deities with red skin or red physical features: • Mars was the red skinned Roman God of War. • Kwan Tai-the red skinned Chinese buddhist god of war was revered for integrity and loyalty. • Mixcoatl is an Aztec God of War and is represented with a black mask over his eyes and distinctive red and white “candy-cane stripes” painted on his body. • The Hindu God Mangala is painted red and represents drive and physical energy, self-confidence and ego, strength, anger, impulsiveness, heroism and adventurous nature. Mangala rules over blood, muscles and bone marrow and is associated with battle, war and soldiers. • In ancient Celtic religion, Rudianos was a war god worshiped in Gaul. The name "Rudianos" means red, reflecting the warlike nature of the god. • Guan Yu, a Chinese God of War, is portrayed as a red-faced warrior with a long lush beard. • Thor, the Norse God of War, was depicted with long flowing red hair and red beard. • Macha Mong Ruad, an Irish Queen and warrior literally means "red mane". According to medieval legend and historical tradition, she is the only woman in the List of High Kings of Ireland. Warriors of many cultures colored their skin red: • Roman generals and soldiers returning to Rome from triumphant campaigns painted their entire bodies red symbolizing their bond with Mars, the red god of war. • To Native Americans the color red symbolized war, strength, energy and power. In addition to using natural dyes to color their skin red they also painted their axes and spear-catapults red to endow the weapons with magic powers. • The ancient Egyptians began manufacturing pigments from red ochre in about 4000 BC. They associated red with victory and Egyptian men would color their skin red for victory celebrations. • Neolithic hunters and germanic warriors used to paint their weapons and even themselves in blood of slain animals. Wearing a red ruby was supposed to bring about invincibility. • Red was used to color statues and the skin of gladiators in ancient Rome. • In Central Africa, Ndembu warriors rub themselves with red paint during celebrations. • On the coast of South Africa, paleoanthropologists in 2000 found evidence that, between 170,000 and 40,000 years ago, Late Stone Age people were scraping and grinding ochre, a clay colored red by iron oxide, to color their bodies red. Warriors of many cultures employed red symbolism or red clothing: • A full Spartan soldier wore a red cloak. • Red was also a badge of rank. During the Chinese Song Dynasty (906–1279) red was the color worn by the royal guards of honor, • In the Middle Ages, a red flag announced that the defenders of a town or castle would fight to defend it, and a red flag hoisted by a warship meant they would show no mercy to their enemy. • Roman soldiers wore red tunics, and officers wore a cloak called a paludamentum which, depending upon the quality of the dye, could be crimson, scarlet or purple. • The vexilloid of the Roman Empire had a red background with the letters SPQR in gold. • The red military uniform was adopted by the British Army in 1645, and was still worn as a dress uniform until the outbreak of the First World War in August 1914. • The red poppy flower is worn on Remembrance Day in Commonwealth countries to honor soldiers who died in the First World War. The Indians tapped into the red warrior thing but they don't own it. Just because they don't teach some things to our children in school doesn't mean that we have to limit ourselves to that set of knowledge. The Redskins need to broaden the definition of the team name to a universal definition that credits the color red with character traits such as strength, courage, never quitting and success, just like it has been defined for thousands of years all over the globe. The military thing is obvious but not necessary. Those same exact character traits remind me of several folks I know who are fighting cancer. To be a Redskin is to be strong, have courage, never quit and enjoy your success, regardless of what you do. Define it, promote it and leave the past behind.