Mufumonk Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Originally posted by smsmith40 If anybody wants to read GOOD fantasy fiction then I recommend George RR Martin or Robin Hobb Ever read any R.A. Salvatore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouBrave86 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Neither has **** on R.L. Stine, he was a genius at writing 4th and 5th grade master pieces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gichin13 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black The first Potter book is a children's piece through and through. They don't get really good until the third one. I would suspend judgement if I were you until reading at least the third, fourth, and fifth. That said, my vote DEFINITELY goes to Tolkien. Hmm, why am I not surprised LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Next up: Charles Dickens vs. Jerry Bruckheimer .. who's the bomb? You decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Clive Barker is another that believe it or not, writes fantastic young adult novels. Surprising considering what he usually writes. The Thief of Always and the Abarat series are outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 You simply shouldn't be allowed to mention Rowling and Tolkien in the same sentence unless you are beginning a sentence like "Rowling owes much to....." Oh, come on. Yes, Tolkien would be my choice as well, but Rowling is truly brilliant and is clearly underappreciated( on this board anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Here's a piece of trivia--- The movie, Troll, which came out in 1986 featured a character named Harry Potter. Coincidence? You bet your sweet bippy it ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Originally posted by iheartskins I think it comes down to, without Tolkein, there is no Rowling. Tolkein (albiet arguably) created the genre. I'd buy that Tolkien brought the genre to its highest flowering, but he didn't create it. Check out the legend of King Arthur for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gichin13 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Originally posted by smsmith40 Phillip Pullman's Northern Lights Is that the trilogy with Amber Spyglass in it? If so, those books were really good. Of course, here I am pushing 40 and apparently liking kids books:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 yeh, Tolkein popularized the fantasy realm, and made different definitions to teh creatures (elfs, goblins, orcs, trolls, etc...). Rowling has written her books well, especially the 3rd one, that book is just genius, soo many things happen, and yet you keep thinking they are in another book due to all the events. I think Harry Potter holds a candle to Chronicles of Narnia, both are aimed for childrens readings, granted CS Lewis has written a lot of other stuff. However, Tolkein still takes the cake as he wrote for adults, and it was picked up by children, which I think is harder than adults picking up a kids book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsonny Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 come on!! The Lord of the Rings Movies are way better than the Harry Potter ones who has time to read - get busy and do something with your lives easy Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afkidd Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin Seriously though, isn't there a Ministry of Truth for something like this? 1984...awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Originally posted by redman I'd buy that Tolkien brought the genre to its highest flowering, but he didn't create it. Check out the legend of King Arthur for example. to be a complete smarta**: The Epic of Gilgamesh dates back to like 2100 BC maybe even earlier. sorry did an essay on it for an ancient history class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smsmith40 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Is that the trilogy with Amber Spyglass in it? That's the one. It is excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. S yeh, Tolkein popularized the fantasy realm, and made different definitions to teh creatures (elfs, goblins, orcs, trolls, etc...). Rowling has written her books well, especially the 3rd one, that book is just genius, soo many things happen, and yet you keep thinking they are in another book due to all the events. I think Harry Potter holds a candle to Chronicles of Narnia, both are aimed for childrens readings, granted CS Lewis has written a lot of other stuff. However, Tolkein still takes the cake as he wrote for adults, and it was picked up by children, which I think is harder than adults picking up a kids book. CS Lewis also wrote the Screwtape Letters, something I'm almost positive Rowling(whatever her beliefs) would be utterly incapable of creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I wish I could read so I could vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 You there! With the pointy ears! Have you ever kissed a girl before?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Originally posted by Gichin13 Is that the trilogy with Amber Spyglass in it? If so, those books were really good. Of course, here I am pushing 40 and apparently liking kids books:cool: I've read the first two of that trilogy, 'The Golden Compass' and 'The Subtle Knife', both of which were great reads. I haven't read the third one yet; I'll have to get on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin CS Lewis also wrote the Screwtape Letters, something I'm almost positive Rowling(whatever her beliefs) would be utterly incapable of creating. The Screwtape Letters? Overrated. Almost as overrated as the dreadful Space trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black The Screwtape Letters? Overrated. Almost as overrated as the dreadful Space trilogy. booooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gichin13 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin CS Lewis also wrote the Screwtape Letters, something I'm almost positive Rowling(whatever her beliefs) would be utterly incapable of creating. That theme of Christianity also runs underneath the Narnia books. I think Screwtape Letters is brilliant. I bought another similar book of CS Lewis that I have yet to read, need to get through that one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gichin13 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black The Screwtape Letters? Overrated. Almost as overrated as the dreadful Space trilogy. first time I have disagreed with you Ancalagon -- I really liked it, but I admit it has been quite a long time since I read it. I will agree, however, that his space books are annoying. I started trying to read a couple of them and could not get past the first chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by Gichin13 first time I have disagreed with you Ancalagon -- I really liked it, but I admit it has been quite a long time since I read it. I will agree, however, that his space books are annoying. I started trying to read a couple of them and could not get past the first chapter I read both Screwtape and the Space books when in elementary school and liked them lots. I pulled them out again freshman year in college to have a look and read through them all. Screwtape stood up better than the Space trilogy did, but not *much* better. I'm wondering if nostalgia is clouding yours or Ghost's judgement...or whether freshman aporeia was clouding mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by jrockster77 I've read the first two of that trilogy, 'The Golden Compass' and 'The Subtle Knife', both of which were great reads. I haven't read the third one yet; I'll have to get on that. The trilogy isn't called 'Northern Lights', though, its the 'His Dark Materials' trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReefa Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Bah to this whole thread. Tolkien's books are so incredibly boring, it's a labor to get through them. I know what I need to put here, a 50 verse song that adds nothing to the story! And he created the language elvish. Boy, that really makes a difference! The Harry Potter series is a remarkable demonstration of character development, its pacing is leagues ahead of anything Tolkien the Verbose ever wrote (a friend of mine put it best - sometimes a leaf is just a leaf), you actually give a crap about the characters, and rather than being a chore to read, is a joy. I actually get upset when I'm finishing a Harry Potter book, especially when it's the first time I've read it, because I know the story is coming to an end. When I got to the end of LOTR, I was relieved. Oh, and the 7th book, which will undoubtedly be the best, hasn't even come out yet. No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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