El Mexican

It is? Data obtained directly from NFL.com, friend. Those two guys are on top with the minimum of 100 pass attempts.

Hey, I try to keep an open mind about future QBs around here. Either that or I would have lost my mind 20 years ago 😎 Like our ex-QB now in Minny? Or was that some baby back ribs? Ok but that's a pretty good QB list I gave as an example with YPA. It's not an exact science, of course, but that's my assumption seeing Howell. RR is maybe looking for that with him?

There's a lot of discussion around the web about this subject. From really complex indexes to the 50 year-old passer rating system the NFL uses. I've always viewed either Yards per Attempt (YPA) or Yards per Completion (YPC) as the most relevant indicator of a good QB. The higher the number the more probability we have of a balanced game-plan since our QB is passing the right amount of times and doing some damage on the opposing D. No dinks and doinks that serve no purpose but to artificially inflate the total completion %. Case in point with QBs who had at least 100 pass attempts during 2022: Tua T led the League with 8.9 YPA Sam Darnold - 8.2 Mahomes - 8.1 Purdy - 8.1 Hurts - 8 Jimmy G - 7.9 Tannehill - 7.8 Dalton - 7.6 Goff - 7.6 Josh Allen - 7.6 Geno - 7.5 TH finished about middle of the pack with 7.2 YPA and Wentz was one of the worst at 6.4. It's a simple stat and I firmly believe if we want to have any success around here we should take it seriously

Same difference man, the current braintrust has shown little talent selecting the most important position in the League.

At least Portis was very productive here. Gibbs really grinded him out. Champ is Champ, but Portis was an undisputed started for us for long stretch.

Well, it's up there with the Rivera logic that some bearded old QB could start the season for us. He lasted less than a game. This FO should avoid any QB decision and just let TH battle it out with the semi rook Howell.

Well...we still need a better OL and some key LB. Oh, and the QB position is still very shaky. Howell may be the next Brady of the next Leaf. We just don't know. More importantly, what's the backup plan if he doesn't cut it? We all saw last year what happens when you're forced to roll with a QB that divides the fan base.

I agree man, it's just that the play by both of our guys was soooo irregular it's hard to find any semblance of comparison to more established franchises. Seems like this has gone for a while now and the playoffs only exacerbate our situation. Most of the final teams left in contention find ways to make their QBs shine. Yep, I'll be honest here: I only care about WSH football. I tend to zone out what goes around the League and only focus on what's important to me as a fan of 35+ years. Those other QBs you mentioned only begin to start being relevant if they ever arrive here. I wasn't trying to be cheeky. They are simply not on my radar.

He just overestimated Wentz. That's my main point. Poof. There goes the season. It's very very hard to win by sheer luck in this League. Same with a sucky QB. Yet, if our sucky QB won more games for us than the other guy how much is actually his poor play and how much is the overall suckiness of the entire team and organizaction? This will be a long offseason. I suggest we return to the actual W-L record of each QB and go from there instead of endless arguments over subjective factors. The season is over. We can look back with more objectivity at our QB situation now.

As you said, it's almost impossible to pin down the exact contribution each of the variables here (players and especially TH) contributed to an overall win. By that same logic, how much of Wentz's loses were team loses of just due to poor QB play? We just don't know. We can only know the final W-L record of each of our QBs. TH is clearly better. Which is not saying a lot, but that's our reality. I have no idea who most of those gentlemen are. Sad thing is everyone knew Wentz sucked last year before arriving here. Everybody except our top brass. Mistakes were made.

Look man, we can only gauge the W-L record of Wentz vs TH (Howell's lone game doesn't count). Objectively we won more games with TH. We can argue all day about it but that's the sad brutal reality.

All you said is true, yet he won the most games for us this season. No way around it. The real problem this season was RR evaluating incorrectly (again) our starting QB. Too many wasted opportunities.

Ahhh just go with Howell and keep TH as a backup. Draft another QB in the mid-rounds of this year's lottery and boom! Bob's your uncle.

So he a NepoBaby?

This is basically my exact same feeling. Rivera has always been a defensive-minded coach. The man has problems on O and selecting his QB. Sadly, Turner is way too irregular for this team. How many 7 yard quick outs did I see this season on 3rd and 12? Too many to count. I saw this again on Sunday with Howell. Just move on.

Plot twist! We enter the paloffs as the 8th seed and win the SB with TH at the helm.

If he did play to win we have the worst coach in the NFL. The result of the game speaks on its own. This whole season has been a tortuous process of elimination.

All of which makes the decision of keeping Wentz in the game after a very bad first half all the more confusing. It really didn't seem he was playing to win.

Yes, but starting vs. Dallas seems kinda brutal. Hopefully the rook has some flashes here and there.

The Shanny decision was ego-driven. It will stay at #1 for a long time due to its terrible ramifications for the entire organization. This recent RR decision seems disconnected from ego. More of a different reality sort of vision by HC. It was a gamble and we lost. Now having said that, he should have returned to Heine after halftime. The entire season was on the line!

He's covered. Howell is a rookie and no one expects another Brady story. If he lights it up that would actually be a good problem here for once.

True. And depressing.

This. I mean, it's not like Wentz didn't get a decent shot. We all saw the guy sucked for a long stretch of the season and again today.

It's Howell time. For the love of God please let him be good.

Yep. The man is a very good defensive minded coach. That's meant ball control football with solid RBs and linemen that excel at run blocking. QB seems like a complete enigma to him. Yes, but Wentz threw three picks today. We actually experienced a downgrade in one week.