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From what I've read about the flight data recorders no, these flights were not stalling. The anti-stall system incorrectly detected a stall and tried to fix by nosing down (increasing air speed under wing) when the pilots tried to pull up they were fighting the system because it thought they were making the wrong choice.

Fly-by-wire: An electronic control system that independently maintains a stable flight attitude on an aircraft that where pilot controls would be unable to do so; see X-29 and subsequent fighters. No I do not consider fly-by-wire to be synonymous with digital flight controls as opposed to cable/pully controls. Stability of flight platform: https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/3-types-of-static-and-dynamic-stability-in-aircraft/

"Hey boy, better go tighten that bolt!" The training is a SECONDARY issue, the primary cause of these crashes is the system malfunction. I'm not going to do your homework for you. I have been an airplane enthusiast since I was in high school, had dreams of being a fighter pilot, too bad I didn't study algebra as much as I did the Janes Encyclopedia of Aviation. Fly-by-wire, instability etc are common terms in aviation. As for boost, this provides as good a definition as I can describe. https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/47337/what-is-boost-super-boost-in-the-pw127m-n

The more I think about this the more annoyed I get at Boeing and those looking to cover their culpability with blame shifting. If Boeing discovered a flaw that would cause a wing to fall off midflight during normal operations, but they found out that if the pilot went into the storage area and replaced a bolt when it started to fall off EVERYONE would tell Boeing to fix their ****. But here we have a predictable duo pretending that the REAL blame is that the airlines didn't sufficiently train their flight crews about the bolt. It's not like these planes were actually in a stall, the system screwed up and crashed the planes because it is a flawed system. Fix the ****ing system and the rest takes care of itself.

No they don't. The system responsible for these crashes is an emergency system not a system that makes the aircraft flight stable. Again please refer to my dental floss vs table top analogy. The normal 737 aircraft is a stable aircraft (table top) the 737-max is apoarently not (dental floss) so it needs fly by wire to keep it in the air. A piece of emergency equipment that does not subjugate itself to manual pilot input is bad, seen at least twice now. Because when that equipment incorrectly diagnoses a situational problem (like stall) bad things happen. This responsible software is not fly by wire software otherwise it would have nosed up and powered out of the stall, instead it ONLY noses up and wouldn't let the pilots power out of what one computer thought was a stall.

How about fix your ****ing software!? Damn why is it ya'll want to shield Boeing from their responsibility? I ALREADY said the airlines have partial blame but you and @twa for some reason think that Boeing is free from blame because an airline didn't educate their pilots about a KNOWN flaw in Boeing's flight avionics. It's THEIR avionics that are WRONGLY sensing flight stall and their avionics that are crashing these planes. And it's the airline's responsibility to communicate this to pilots, but that does not excuse Boeing from culpability due to the failure of tgeir equipment package.

Ok, NONE of the aircraft you cited, C-9 or P-8 are fly-by-wire because they are unstable platforms, and yes I am acutely aware of what the military flies other than fighters, and all of those other aircraft if they utilize fly-by-wire it is for accuracy of flight controls and not because the aircraft is inherently unstable. Some other military aircraft you missed the have civilian versions KC-10, KC-135, not to mention the host of personnel aircraft such as the models used to fly President's and other government officials. Again, theses may ALL have upgraded fly-by-wire avionics but NOT because the aircraft itself is unstable. You could be in flight with any of these and switch off the fly-by-wire and never know because they aircraft is an aeronautically stable platform. Fly-by wire control systems were specifically developed for airccraft such as the X-29 that aeronautically is impossible for a pilot to fly stick & rudder. The FBW system makes the thousand corrections persecobd to literally keep the aircraft flying. If you turned it off, the plane would crash because it is compketely unstable. Same goes for nearly EVERY modern fighter because it's the inherent instability in the aeronautics that provides for the greatest agility. Think of it like balancing a teacup on a piece of dental floss vs putting it on the table. The second you let go on the dental floss the cup will fall, whereas on the table you can walk away and forget it. Fly-by-wire systems are not autopiloting systems. As to what @twa was yammering about in the other thread before this one was created the 737-max anti-stall system is apparently more akin to a fly-by-wire protective flight system than it is an auto-piloting system. Auto-pilot is a system that literally flies a programed flight, direction, altitutude, speed etc. This is NOT fly-by wire and it is NOT the anti-stall system. The anti-stall system is a safety system that automatically overrides the autopiloting system and apparently the manual controls until it is specifically shut off. And from what I'm reading it was placed on these aircraft because they are unstable aeronautically. Which as was already stated, perfect for fighters, not so much for a bus. It is when that pilot isn't informed that there is additional software overriding his controls. These computers are ****ing up (Boeings fault) and the pilots aren't being trained (airline's fault). I know you want to give a pass to Boeing, but it's clear that their system has an unaddressed problem that has crashed at least two aircraft full of people.

Well, that's why those big corporations hire a lot of really expensive lawyers. My guess is very few. Fighter jets are designed to be unstable because that makes them more agile and responsive, not exactly traits you want in a bus.

I will say this though, the blame will go around on this one for sure. There was obviously one pilot who knew how to recover from the stall system take-over, he did it the day before the India crash. It seems as though American pilots knew about it as well. So why didn't these other pilots know, and why didn't they have updated training on their equipment and have updated checklists? That said, Boeing was obviously aware that there was an issue with the stall system, and that it was taking over at the wrong times, they also knew that pilots weren't being informed about the system, the issue, and the fix. So from what we know now it looks to me like Boeing AND the airlines are going to bear the burden of the blame for this. Not the pilots for "being asleep at the wheel" as some have speculated.

Ahhhhhh the morality party... **** these clowns!

Jealousy!!!!

Grant Achatz is a mad scientist and a Beethoven of the culinary world! He beat stage 4 throat cancer and COMPLETLEY lost his sense of taste and was STILL transforming menus! His entire philosophy is change, make new, out with the old, constant reinvention. Imagine doing that with no taste?! Over time he regained his taste and he says it opened up the whole spectrum to him in a way he never could have done otherwise. Check out his episode on The Chef's Table on Netflix, AMAZING stuff!

You must be new here, as such I'll lend a hand. See the title on the thread? Yeah, that's the topic that is being discussed in that thread, we (for the most part and occasionally with mod guidance) try to stay on topic in each thread. There is currently active a thread where you can try to present your "process crimes" theory. Good luck...ur gun need it.

There are two parts to this statement, and only one of them is true.

@Burgold thanks for this

White Nationalists say something racist when someone objects..."Bunch of damn snowflakes." White Nationalist gets smacked with an egg..."These people are unstable and prone to violence." Someone revisit the article I posted about calls for civility being used to oppress. Meanwhile they run people down at protests, shoot up mosques and churches. **** these ****s...they deserve no quarter.

Must not be seen as a threat.

Or they arm themselves and images of from New Zealand show up with heavily armed Muslims in mosques. The looney already will believe this is a false flag, that image will only solidify that belief. And then a year from now Faux News splashes the images while talking about militant Muslims amongst the "good people". There was a time when that would be enough...that time has passed.

You mean someone might shoot your ass because of their racist assumptions?

The key difference between the shooter and a victim with a gun is mental preparation. While you're processing your OODA Loop he's already killed you. He's been living and preparing for this moment for years, everyone in front of him is fodder. You on the other hand are in shock, denial, fear all while trying to assess scene and threats and decide how best to respond. The shooter is prepared to die, you're not. This is why the odds are stacked so heavily against you. It's why even cops freeze.

Tucker is a ****. A primetime white nationalist on a 3 billion dollar 24 hour sycophantic media network is being bullied? Why else fo you think they call them watchdogs dumbass?! Oh and sweetcheeks, if you don't want someone exposing ignorant, sexist, and racist things you've said on the air...then maybe you shouldn't say them.

Riiiiiight...because the world responds so well to a bunch of Muslims with guns.

....posting without comment.... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/12/college-admissions-scam-kushner-harvard-acceptance-under-scrutiny/3147027002

Yup, fry all of their asses. It'll NEVER happen though...ever. This **** pisses me off so badly. I mean is the Georgetown tennis coach so underpaid that he's willing to take a bribe and tell the University that she's a tennis recruit to get her admitted? Checks story..... https://bit.ly/2T5rcwH Hmmm....$225,000 per student x 12 students....what the hell.

There ya go kid. Your rich white parents are going to buy your 15 minutes of fame, maybe they should have just bribed a college recruiter to get your ass into college. ****in' rich white privilege.