AsburySkinsFan

No, obtuse is worse. Someone who is obtuse is smart enough to recognize the problem, understands the issue and STILL pretends to be stupid.

You have perfected the art of being obtuse.

Right, they must have paid for the Boeing Gold Plan where you get notified of fatal flaws in Boeing's avionics. A reasonable and rational person would conclude that a flaw should be FIXED by the manufacturer rather than insist that people all around the globe get trained on how to react to the known fatal flaw. For ****s sake if this was a car you just bought you'd scream for a recall and warranty work. But with Boeing your blame the car owner and hired driver. THAT is stupid thinking, and you're doing stupid thinking.

BULL**** for ALL of the reasons demonstrated thus far.

They way you make it sound they were. The true tell about who is to blame is how Boeing has bedn forced to respond since this came to light. IF... it was a pilot training issue does the whole fleet get grounded? IF... it was a pilot training issue does Boeing begin a recall to install safety warning lights etc? IF... it was a pilot training issue do airlines cancel billions in plane orders? Yet YOU keep trying to aleviate the blame from Boeing when the entire industry and world governments say you're wrong. That was my point that these pilots weren't trained because BOEING never said it was necessary or critical.

Anyone watching Fox News to be informed is a damned fool #fullstop

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

Ok, can we go back and discuss the part about the pilots not being trained? Maybe Boeing should start packaging their services like, Gold Package: Get to where you're going Silver Package: You'll land more often than not Bronze Package: Meh 5050 at best. Look at WHO it is coming from. He started with the presupposition that the pilots were to blame and nothing has changed.

I bet I know!

Looks like Garuda thinks that Boeing has a problem instead of their training systems.

You don't get to say "**** happens" like it's accidental that nearly the entire food chain is contaminated because of these processors. I'd be a good Buddihist monk...Shaolin maybe so I can kick the **** out of people on occasion.

Man those were the days when twa was the reasonable one. So the solution to a contaminated food production in your mind does not involve NOT contaminating the food?

That's a very nice false equivalency you have there. Did you name it? I assume it's a pet.

Fair enough.

The person who failed to fix the problem. but in America we have been conditioned to believe that companies aren't responsible for their products. Thoroughly according to who? the processors who insist that food be cooked to high temps because they refuse to take steps to avoid contamination. But you ignore where the contaminants come from and place the blame on the chef.

IF you and others would have bothered to read the article you would have discovered that Boeing did a piss poor job at providing manuals, and simulators to train in. but no ya'll read headlines and don't put things in context. And I have every authority to tell you what to do, I just don't have the authority to make you do it. However, if you had you wouldn't look silly.

Read the article

Go back and READ my comments. My beef is with @twa because when he first heard about these crashes his comment was that it was due to pilots sleeping at the wheel. Since then he's spent his time moving the goalposts and shifting blame away from Boeing. Their **** was broke they knew it they didn't fix it.

Gatdamn son did you EVEN bother opening the article before you ignored it?

Read this article sweetie. THEY WERE NOT TRAINED IN ON THE ISSUE Boeing ****ed up, face it.

No, it's the driver's fault. THIS is how a company responds to a flaw in its systems.

You mean the plane can easily stay airborne when the malfunctioning MCAS system is disabled, this is the first question asked. The second question you ask is "was this a known problem?" The third is "What lengths did Boeing go to in order to fix this problem?" The fourth is "What lengths did Boeing go to in order to inform pilots of the malfunction?" You keep jumping straight to "the pilots were asleep at the wheel." Which oddly enough is where you started before you knew the facts, and surprisingly the facts didn't change your mind.

watch the video As much as I've ever read, watched, and studied about fighter jets and their inherent instability the FBW system is the system that keeps them in the air. You are using it in a more generalized way to describe digital flight controls, but the FBW systems were developed to keep like the X-29, F-117 and other experiemental planes flying because by design they were unflyable without the FBW system.

Watch the video. Autopilot is navigational controls etc, not "keep the damn plane in the air" controls, that's FBW. Maybe on the civilian side ya'll generalize terms, but this is what it means on the military side.

You should be, and that's the problem. These were capable pilots. You are making assumptions that you cannot substantiate, and that makes you look foolish. If the plane will not maintain straight and level flight hands off without FBW computer management then it is considered unstable. Fly by wire, there is digital controls included in this category but when we're talking about a system like the stall prevention it is also included in the Fly-by-wire system. It just has a computer that makes more decisions without the pilot's input. This is NOT an autopilot.