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Welp... nevermind then (I found the example of a Jewish student getting attacked... not sure if this is true or not).. Was posted on reddit the attack in the pro-Palestine encampment was retaliation for this. Either way, I think this demonstrates police doing a poor job.

Whatever you think about the protestors. Clearing them out with violence and escalating the situation is not the answer. In fact, this is garbage. A college should not be treated the way a protest at a a for-profit institution or a workplace. Being like, "We don't want to deal with this like responsible adults, call in the police!" is a crazy take. Looking at you, Columbia. And then even after they cleared out the encampents, GOP was like, "We still want the University president fired." This country has taken a way too right-ward turn with respect to media and reporting. A good example is about UCLA last night. A group attacked the protestors, and then the police had to break it up. News media was acting like "protests turned violent". No. Seems like off campus people intentionally attacked the protestors. "Jewish students don't feel safe" while protestors are getting attacked on campus? I can't find a true example of a jewish student actually getting attacked on campus -- however; I do believe that protestors are being verbally towards Jewish students. I take it as "oh my words hurt you, what about the bombs being dropped on Gaza?" I believe this is also a protesting tactic. I can't tell if there is debate and discussion going on (which should he happening) or the sides have just isolated themselves into two camps.

Just in from the Supreme Court. FOX NEWS HAS IMMUNITY! Family members of high ranking government officials are public figures and can be dragged through the mud and defamed as much as possible.

Know someone who has family back there running for mayor. I didn't ask them about the safety. But do we really think our noses are clean here in America? This cartel commerce needs parties on both sides of the border. Just Google Jose Irizarry...

Trump supporters are not a monolith. My wife is not a MAGAhead (I would say she's a Christian nationalist). She voted for Biden in 2020. She has told me she will vote for Trump -- rather against Biden. It's the typical "The country is not doing well economically, so I won't support the incumbant. Also, LGBTQ gives me the ick and I am against abortion." Not even sure if she cares about the trial, indictmemts, etc... "Trump's not going to jail, rich people always get off." Voting "God's way" is how she has voted since she could. "Biden is also a corrupt politician, he's just like Trump. Why do you support him so much?". Her brother, my BIL is the same. "I got a really great IT job under Trump and it's because they couldn't outsource to illegal immigrants. Go Trump!" I watch C-SPAN. The average American voter is so ill informed. On the segment when it came up to Ukraine funding, 100% all callers were against Ukraine funding. I was shocked to hear that (this was last week?). They wanted to spend the money here. What type of ally are we if we don't care about helping a AN ALLY THAT IS INVADED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY! This was 6 callers, I think. Also, no party is like, "let's spend the money here!" Aside from this, we should be throwing the GOP off of the Washington Monument. I don't really get where my fellow countrymen are, but working so hard and not really paying attention and still bending their ears to the GOP "propoganda machine". No one is taking away your Bibles, and guns, and it's like .01% of the population is trans yet this is a national discussion for some reason (bathrooms, sports, etc). It's just very hardened political beliefs... that are wrong.

Now when AI can do this scam 100% on its own. I will be freaked out.

@ixcuincle BDS movement has been around a long time against Israel. Bdsmovement.net indicates McDonald's Israel gave free food to Israeli solders.

Nope.

Ehh, I think it's debatable. It's certainly better than "Death to Israel". Here are some better chants. Since this is largely a PR exercise. "From the river to the sea. Arab and Jew live in peace." "Drop your guns, melt your swords. Choose peace not war." "Equal justice, equal rights. Unite your land, peace tonight." "We love Muslims, we love Jews. Fight for peace, all of you!" "Stop your violence, stop your hate. Join your hands and cooperate!" "Two to tango, two to dance. Stop your fighting, give peace a chance!" Wait. Wait. Your telling me that since the Free Palestine movement has largely funded by pro-Arab groups, there could be an anti-Zionist biaa? And the pro-Israeli groups are funded by Zionists who may have a more radical definition of "Zionism" (such as Israel can never do wrong)? Sorry, my delusions are just as silly has hoping that the anti-Trump movement takes off. "Unite the left, unite the right. Trump in jail, lets start tonight!"

@ixcuincle @Cooked Crack Ultimately, these are anti-war protests. Is all criticism of a war being prosecuted by Israel "antisemitic"? One of the protests point that these pro-Israeli people don't see the irony of their discomfort in the face of fears of a Gaza genocide and in the face of what has been done. Seems like the entire population of Palestine has been made refugees. This seems like one of the points the protestors have. I just watched a Press Conference from Columbia Jewish community (2 or 3 days ago) and they only referenced October 7. When asked about Jewish voices standing with Pro-Palestine groups, one of the students said, "Take them as seriously as we take 'Blacks for Trump' or 'Gays for Trump' " That was pretty savage. Regardless, it can't just be about October 7 and "40,000 vs. 1000". No one seems to be fighting for the peace in that region. The current conflict is absolutely not helpful to longterm stability in the region. I liked this clip between Columbia students: Fairly certain that doesn't get the attention of the ones you posted and even that 10 minutes wss just them having empathy for each other. Would like to see a longer discussion and debate about how to fix / solve things.

A day later, and I am still amazed at what I feel is the mis-reading in the Trump immunity case arguments. My preferred outcome SCOTUS just going with the DC Circuit and his trial resuming quickly, is likely not going to happen. But people assuming Trump will gain a lot (aside from the delay) are also mis-reading arguments. Gorsuh and Kavanaugh and Alito (to a lesser extent) and Roberts were focussed on a rule for other cases. Gorsuch had it correct that, it's likely whatever they rule will likely never be seen again for 2 political generations. And it also will likely bound Presidents in some way. So they don't want Obama to worry aboit drone strikes, or Bush worrying about misleading America regarding Iraq. But, Trump is cooked. Barrett enumerated a bunch of things regarding this case and a lot were not official acts. Trump's lawyer even conceded that. Remind me in 2 months...

You guys realize, if Trump loses he will run again in 2028... even from jail.

@Skins24 You could make the same argument about South Africa and apartheid over the years... yet somehow Nelson Mandela is recognized as a "Top 5 World Leader". I would argue that the Palestinians / Hamas need people like him to help bring about the peace - but even his past is not clean. It's messy. And it's not easy to simplify. What we have now with Israel-Palestine essentially a "one-state solution" with the "state" strangling the colony and the colony fighting back. America has sided with the state traditionally, and now younger Americans have taken the note that "gee, maybe the colonized people have a point and I can see why they are fighting back." This is what the protestors are focusing on. I'm sympathetic to protestors and especially college protestors having first amendment rights and being the appropriate place to discuss this. At the same time, there's still the larger group of Arabs/Islamists, beyond Palestine, who are anti-Israel. I have no idea what percentage of the Arab world this is. I think it is shrinking, and I think more and more Arab leaders are at least normalizing relationships with Israel. I still think many of their country-men may not fully be on board with their leaders (see, for instance, this recent polling of Jordan: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-public-opinion-poll-jordanians-favor-de-escalation-region-sentiment-against). That is Jordan whom are considered an ally to Israel. To us in America, this is somewhat of an insane viewpoint. We tip-toe around the antisemitism in the Arab world -- is it solely religiously based or are there other reasons? I could speculate on suspicion that Israel will want to take back all the biblical land. Israel and their citizens are responding to the second item -- their constant threat and history with the Arabs in the Middle East. You are all talking about Mexico-USA, could could we imagine being neighbors with a country that's like, "75% of Mexicans don't want to be trading partners with American and wouldn't accept aid from them." It's too hard to wrap my brain around this viewpoint -- from an American. The peace process needs to address both items. But how is Israel killing 30,000 (did they stop counting or did the bombs stop?) Gazans going to do anything but enflame both the Israel-Palestine issue and the larger place in the Middle East issue? Israel strangling harder is not going to solve anything. How does this come down to anything but the everlasting religious war? You don't hear many voices on the Arab side going the peace with Israel route -- understandable that their existence is a sore point, the world is not all of sudden going to say "okay, let's move Israel somewhere else". I would like to understand more on the Arab perspective, as I'm sure this western understanding is probably pro-Israeli bias. For most of us with a Western/American perspective we would think "it happened, move on and stop hating Israel" -- but look at what we did with the Native Americans. Sorry for plopping these thoughts in the middle of 10+ replies of an active conversation.... we'll see how this goes.

Not sure we are following the same protests. Columbia's protest leaders have kicked out the bad apples. And not sure why anything but 100% deep throated support of Israel warrants upsetting people. It's crazy USC cancelled commencement. Their valedictorian graduated with a minor in "preventing genocide" (not sure if that was real or something fake that made it in an official article). Are the women and children of Gaza more or less valuable than the woman and children of Israel? If they have the same value, than dang... killing 15000 is much worse than the 600. In the abstract, I think two things about conflict: 1) The stronger country should seek to lead to peace. 2) It takes two willing parties to fight. And in the big picture, I fully understand why Israel goes over the top and doesn't strive for peace paths. "Arab/Muslim countries are violent poopholes. They don't know how to behave. They kill each other. They have always hated and attacked Israel." Neither group seems to be fighting hard for peace.

No one knows how these prospects will go. Mahomes was the #1 pick? No. He went 10th.

Listening to the immunity argument. Kavanaugh highlights his concern over the precedent of Morrison v. Olsen. A 7-1 Supreme Court decision. I can see Brett writing a stand-alone opinion. Ouch... actually both Kav and Gorsuch indicated in some examples they were talking "beyond the present case", "we are talking about future cases". As in, they want to make the rules clear for future Presidents. I am not as concerned with the ruling after hearing this. Not sure why commentators are upset. It does seem like remand is likely, and it will delay. I can see why SCOTUS took the case, but taking it 2 months afterwards was ridiculous delay especially if they knew this was so important they would take it up. Gotta believe they were serving their political masters. So they are gonna craft some rule for Presidential immunity of official acts in criminal cases. It will go to the district judge. When she rules, it will be appealed.

I am going back to the argument. Kagan destroys Trump's lawyer. "Can the President order the military to stage a coup? Is that an official act?" A lot of silence before he answered... Gorsuch with this dumb argument, "the laws don't apply to President unless they specifically name the Preaident." Overthrowing the election is certainly the "bold and fearless action" that the founders thought about....

Its pretty clear to me that ACB is with the liberal justices on this case. I just heard the last 15 minutes of her and Jackson questioning Dreeben. It does seem likely they will tweak the Nixonian rules a bit, and perhaps send back to district court. Which muddied this case timing some more (except there was a good chance that would happen). I am not sure what additional clarification would be needed, but I guess Nixon got pardoned... right? So that foreclosed all of the judicial review of criminal acts.

Well if Kav, Roberts and Gorsuch want to throw it to the lower courts, the case is doomed. Because Alito and Thomas will want to also. Screw SCOTUS because this delay is exactly what they wanted. This is why they refused the case initially. Our SCOTUS has been politicized. Term limits now, just like every other political office.

You are not allowed to criticize 100% deep throat support of Israel. You are not allowed to think, "Gee, maybe the killing of large amounts of women and children in Palestine is the fault of the people dropping the bombs..." . You are not allowed to think, "Maybe Israel constantly gaslights us by saying Hamas is using human shields...". You are not allowed to rememeber that Israel bombed a clearly coordinated and marked convoy of aid workers. Yes, I know Israel wants to say, "You don't know the Arabs like we do." And there are tons of bad actors. But, that doesn't excuse their horrible bombing of civilians, not limiting collateral damage. The protests are recognition that Israel holds all the power. No one is seriously going to allow October 7 to repeat itself and no one will allow the destruction of Israel. But go ahead and frame it all as "these protestors all support Hamas, anti-semitic."

I don't understand why we have a million apps. The world-wide-web was a standard. At some point all the companies turned from "Web 2.0", "Web 3.0" to "nah... we want you to use our app so we can spy on you." They can vacuum up our data via web as it is, but at least website calls can be traced. Whereas they could encrypt all the data they are sucking about us through the app and act like, "I need to serve up some API with special sauce". And these are people like Zuckerberg and Musk who rememeber what no internet was like. All these apps are like their own AOL/Compuserve CDs... Sorry, I graduated from college in the early 2000s and what has happened now is abhorrent and the "future" (now the present) is a damn nightmare.

I think the judge will wait a few days and see if Trump violates the gag order (again). If so, I hope he puts him in jail for a day.

@China @LadySkinsFan @PokerPacker Except that's not what is happening. He's paying some percentage of $175M, so that his $175M can earn him interest. If the bond fee is 4%, it's "only" $7M. Let's assume his appeals last 2 years. If his brokerage account is in a 4% money market fund, he will gain $14M in interest over those 2 years, thus making him money. Since the DA and Court agreed that Knight gain control of that account, seems like they will just keep his cash in there.

Good job!!! Good effort!!!

Here we go again at Columbia University and Yale. https://apnews.com/article/columbia-yale-israel-palestinians-protests-56c3d9d0a278c15ed8e4132a75ea9599