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Yes.

If we're going to rehash the reign of Brucifer, Prince of Dimness, let me kindly remind you all that when he was hired, I equated it to the Niners making Nolan their head coach only because his father had a celebrated history there - and that Brucifer had an even worse draft record in Tampa then Vinny Bugeyes. People on this board were so elated (I suppose) to be rid of Sir Rot-o, that my thread was shredded by all the ESers. I am bullish on Howell. He definitely has the athleticism, accuracy and demeanor to be a franchise QB, but I think he needs a good mentor to encourage him to throw the ball away and develop a good mental timeclock. Some of it too is if the game slows down enough for him to see his checkdowns in time. Everyone this year from the FO to the coaches to the players are getting evaluated for decisions coming when the regime changes at the end of the year.

If Young is on his last season here, Dotson turns out to be a mediocre WR, and Forbes doesn't turn his game around, then our FO needs to go out with Ron at the end of the season.

Wink Martindale has turned the Giants defense into the powerhouse ours was supposed to be, and without all the massive draft capital. They remind me of the 2004 Redskins team, with an incredible defense hampered by a listless offense. Which is why facing our defense is just what they need to break their TD drought. 20-17 Commies.

Showing my age here, but the defense reminds me of Lefty Drisell's UMD basketball teams, where he would recruit every superstar player he could land without a coherent plan for how they would fit together. The whole is far less than the sum of the parts. With all the assets we have used on defense at the expense of the OL, you would think they should be elite.

Our run game seems really unimaginative. Howell needed better situational awareness at the end of the second half. He took sacks when he should have thrown it away, and then threw it away on 3rd down when he needed to run out the clock.

I'm actually going to this game, so I have to hope for a win or else get payback from my neighbor for every time I brought up walking back just in time to see the kick returned for a TD. 27-24 Commies.

Quality coaches have stayed away from Snyderland knowing it was almost as much of a death sentence as working for Al Davis. Harris needs to repair that image, and firing a coach mid season barring a public locker room revolt would do more damage than good. Rivera is not a long term solution by any means, but unceremoniously dumping him mid season might impede finding one.

If it gets to that point, they need to first replace the front office first. Unlike Lord Farquaad, I like to believe Harris will look deep for the best personnel guy he can find.

Since 1999 we have wasted 7 first round picks, 3 seconds, 4 thirds, 3 fourths, and a host of later round picks, and the only average starting quality QBs we got were Brad Johnson and Kirk Cousins, both of whom we let walk. In the meantime, in the first round we passed on Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, and more recently Justin Herbert and Tua. We will likely have another top 5 pick this year, but if Ron et al are still around, it will go to the defense.

I am really proud of our guys for saving Matt Eberflus' job and preserving our tradition of redeeming winless teams (see Detroit, 1-15 Cowboys, etc.)

Even though I was pretty sure we would lose, even I didn't think it would be that much of a beatdown...

You were saying?....

Take Forbes out and the defense instantly improves...

Yay - shutout averted!

I know it's close to Halloween, but do our guys all have to dress up as Steelers....

Yeah, the 98 line was worse. As awful as Vinny Bugeyes was, I have to give him credit for bringing in Andy Heck in 99. It also helped that we drafted Jansen and Tre J was actually healthy for a full year. Probably no coincidence that later the Texans under Casserly would also have the worst OL in the NFL.

We have a history of losing to winless teams. Bears 24-21

This is one of my main arguments against coaches making the draft picks rather than being subordinate to the GM. They inevitably focus on players on the side of the ball/positions they are tied to while failing to build a complete roster. Picking Young over a franchise QB when we already had Sweat, Allen, and Payne meant that that one or more of those guys would be a cap casualty, and I don't think Young could ever be that much better than Sweat...and now I think it's inevitable that neither will be back next year. Likewise, Christian Darrisaw fell right into our laps, but Ron had to have his next Luke Keuchly.

Any chance they let Nate Sudfeld play QB again?

I'd rather have won the SB and traded up a couple spots. Better still, make a mega trade for an additional first and take both. At one point we had Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Stan Humphries on the roster at the same time. Gibbs traded Humphries to Beathard for a 4th wasted on a punter who got cut in camp, while Stan took SD to the SB. The mid 90s might not have been so bleek if we held on to Humphries instead of drafting Heath Stupider...but knowing Norvo the Clown he probably would have cut him like he cut Wychek, Rich Gannon, and Keenan McCardell when he got here.

Gibbs had a HoF GM who put together the 72 Dolphins, was a scout for SB champion Chiefs, and got the Chargers to their only SB. Beathard officially has only 4 rings because he left before 91 season, but he put together the core of that team as well.

Uh, no. He hired Haslett and then forced him to convert to a 3-4 even though our D was solidly built for a 4-3. More to the point, he took full control over personnel. Remember, even with Elway, Lobsterman couldn't win a playoff game before he got Terrell Davis, and then he only won 1 playoff game after those 2 retired. All those offensive geniuses went to places with excellent GMs...Brucifer was brought in as Shannon's lackey (yes he was hired first, but that was at Shanahan's suggestion, meaning the Prince of Dimness owed him his job). Shanahan was awfully mediocre as GM in Denver, and given how his assistant coach won a SB there after he left, it's altogether possible he would have been even worse at it without Kubiak. Remember, this is the guy who thought John Beck was the best QB prospect in his class, and went into the season with Rex and Beck as his QBs. We should have left him in retirement, hired a real GM, and hired the other Shanahan instead, but Lord Farquaad was incapable of understanding how a competent FO works.

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Yes - but what remains to be seen is whether he is GM worthy, which entails not just draft record, but seeing the big picture of putting a roster together. Casserly learned to be a good scout, but his tenure as GM both here and in Houston was dreadful.