Taco John Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I hope you guys get what you need out of this trade... Because from where I'm standing, it looks like we just stole candy from a baby... And before you get angry at my reaction, I'm not talking smack here... This is my honest reaction to this. From our perspective, this is an amazing trade that is elevating our GM to the status of genius. I have read a wild rumor that you guys are getting ready to trade this first now for something else, possibly with the Raiders, but I wouldn't get carried away with that rumor... Anyway, good luck this season, even though as a Broncos fan I'm now required to root for your team to come in DEAD last. *scratching me head at the Redskins move here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I wish I could disagree with you. But any GM who signs the entire Cleveland Browns defensive line is hardly a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Then again, you thought you were raping us when you got Champ Bailey too You can never judge the true value of a move like this the day it happens. Entirely depends on who gets who and how they pan out over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Especially when dealing with draft picks. Roll of the dice there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by Taco John I hope you guys get what you need out of this trade... Because from where I'm standing, it looks like we just stole candy from a baby... And before you get angry at my reaction, I'm not talking smack here... This is my honest reaction to this. From our perspective, this is an amazing trade that is elevating our GM to the status of genius. I have read a wild rumor that you guys are getting ready to trade this first now for something else, possibly with the Raiders, but I wouldn't get carried away with that rumor... Anyway, good luck this season, even though as a Broncos fan I'm now required to root for your team to come in DEAD last. *scratching me head at the Redskins move here* Look at it this way. We pretty much traded mid 20's picks (yours this year and ours next year), add in a 3rd/4th that we are going to get from Gardner this year and its pretty much a wash. We get 2 first round picks this year and now have the flexability to either plug up multiple holes this year or take a blue chip player. Win/win taco. BTW say hi to Falco for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I don't like the trade as it stands up now. What the Redskins do with the #25 pick, either trading it to move up or to package it for a player, etc..............or keeping it.............. I still feel that a team makes its bones with those picks in rounds 2-5 where you can find quality talent at what turns out to be bargain prices. I especially feel that way about players in round 2. Look at the value we got in Jon Jansen and Fred Smoot over time. First round talents that we got in the second round. We can't keep stocking a roster of only high round picks. These guys want big dollars when their rookie contracts are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 We pretty much traded mid 20's picks (yours this year and ours next year) This is a HUGE assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Perhaps we could trade this pick to somebody with 2 2nd round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by mookie0720 This is a HUGE assumption. Ill put it for you simply. Our defense is going to be only a bit behind or even with the defense last year and if that holds true we should be ok. Also remember that if we scored 21 points per game last year we would have been 13-2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Time will tell on the trade. The dust hasn't even settled on the Portis/Champ deal. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 If we win the Super bowl..... hell of a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by mookie0720 This is a HUGE assumption. Not really.... The Skins last season were literally a play or a ref's bad call away from being, say, 8-8...and they were a Ramsey ill-thrown interception in the last 2 minutes, and a blown safety assignment in the last 30 seconds, of ending last season on a 5-0 run... The defense was ranked #3, and while losing Smoot and Pierce, it's gaining the return of Arrington, Bowen, and possibly Barrow...not to mention whoever else they pick up in the draft. The offense was absymal, true...but that was mostly because Brunell was the starter for nine games and the offensive line was average at best. But, Brunell is no longer the starter and the offensive line just got a HUGE upgrade by the aquisition of Rabach and the return of Jansen... I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gibbs and his staff were feeling very optimistic that next year's 1st rounder would be no lower than, say, #20 (in other words, that they make the playoffs)...and with a few breaks maybe even a little higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco John Posted April 19, 2005 Author Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by Oldskool Win/win taco. Works for me... Like I say, I'm not here to be a troll... I just want to understand how this makes sense for you guys. The Redskins have been an enigma ever since Danny took over... As far as the earlier criticism of us signing the entire Browns line, I'm quie satisfied with the deal. Most of them are just rotation and camp guys, and I like the Courtney Brown reclamation project. Add to the fact that Trevor Pryce is coming back, and I think we'll be pretty good up front. I would be suprised if we didn't finish in the top ten for another year in a row on defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by Taco John Works for me... Like I say, I'm not here to be a troll... I just want to understand how this makes sense for you guys. The Redskins have been an enigma ever since Danny took over... Should have been around for the George Allen days. never met a draft pick he didn't want to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by Oldskool Look at it this way. We pretty much traded mid 20's picks (yours this year and ours next year), add in a 3rd/4th that we are going to get from Gardner this year and its pretty much a wash. We get 2 first round picks this year and now have the flexability to either plug up multiple holes this year or take a blue chip player. Win/win taco. BTW say hi to Falco for me Forgot about the Gardner pick! We will get another back say a 3rd perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by NVskinsfan Forgot about the Gardner pick! We will get another back say a 3rd perhaps? Possibly, unless the pick is packaged with Gardner for some player or another, ( Not original, but it does stir things up a bit ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Put it this way Taco.... .we've got a HOF coach who's contract indicates a five year deal. He wants to see marked improvement in the team this year... and two #1s this year is a way to either take an impact player, a couple of blue chippers, or a plethora of mid round guys that add crucial depth and could be starters of the future. And as for your coach.... he hasn't won a damn thing since Elway retired and Davis was forced from the game. For Christ's sake... your starting QB is Jake Plummer and your running backs can't stay healthy. And that's not to mention the corner you traded for last year who was burned on a consistent basis and was exposed as the "average" corner he's always been. Hey... when is the last time you saw Bailey make an impact play. Yeah...keep scratching your head... we can't remember it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by Hooper I wish I could disagree with you. But any GM who signs the entire Cleveland Browns defensive line is hardly a genius. Owned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard saunders Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nice, your staying mum about the Portis/Bailey trade. I like they way our trades have played out with you guys in the past, hopefully this one works in our favor too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 and here I thought the goal was to trade Gardner and then try and stockpile some picks so we can bring in perhaps 7 or 8 players into camp for a change, instead of 2 or 3 as in recent seasons. the odds favor the teams that have the most picks. look at how many picks we ended up with in 1981 to make all those great selections. The 1980's Redskins would never have been built without the mid round selections that turned into the Charles Manns, Dexter Manleys, Russ Grimms, etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 If we win the Super bowl..... hell of a trade Hell of a lot of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by bulldog We can't keep stocking a roster of only high round picks. These guys want big dollars when their rookie contracts are over. I'm with YOU here... I am hoping this was done early to put all 30 other teams on notice that we are wheelin and dealin this year. If one of the top guys slips to #9 we may be sittin pretty with offers and still get a decent WR or CB with #25, while hopefully picking up a 2nd to satisfy the other. Like you said before I don';t like it right now, but Saturday could be a whole 'nother story!@! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 OH yeah? Well I'll be watching my team pick twice in the first round this weekend. How about you? :cool: Now back to the Broncos board with you! Say hi to Chump for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco John Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Tarhog Then again, you thought you were raping us when you got Champ Bailey too I don't know what you're talking about... I thought it was win/win there... Bailey was awesome for us last year, save two high profile plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco John Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Originally posted by Cskin And that's not to mention the corner you traded for last year who was burned on a consistent basis and was exposed as the "average" corner he's always been. Hey... when is the last time you saw Bailey make an impact play. Yeah...keep scratching your head... we can't remember it either. Huh? Were is this "Bailey is an average CB" stuff coming from? They guy flat out performed for us last year and played some serious ball. There were games when they absolutely would NOT throw on the guy, and half the field was shut down. The guy was impact for us in just about every game of the season. I don't know where this anti-Bailey noise is coming from, but Bailey was awesome for us last year, and we expect he'll be in the pro bowl again this next year too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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