Thinking Skins Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 As I've read through these threads over the past few days, there seems to be a general feeling here that we've already lost Gardener. I wonder what you all believe the chances are of him coming back? I know people call him 50/50, but I think he is the perfect reason that we dont NEED a top WR. He is still developing as a WR, and can easily get better with his drops by just concentrating on the ball more. But there's a reason that he was picked in the first round, and he still can be developed into a really good WR. Once again, I look at the Wizards and Kwame Brown and you see how they are trying to teach him and let the team grow with him. I think that people are giving up on Gardener a little too soon. People are going to bring up the fact that Gibbs allowed him to go find a trade. Well, that could be a thing similar to Coles but with less publicity. He could be another guy who didnt like the system and wanted to leave. That doesn't mean that he will leave though, all that needs to happen is he not get a good enough offer. But I think that he is easily better than our other options for similar salaries. So I'd be in favor of keeping BOTH Coles and Gardener and signing a veteran guy to come in here and serve as a leader in the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat~man Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 gardner requested the trade , he wants out and he plays without effort sometimes ... he has had chances he wants out and i htink he should go .... like go fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 You do understand that he's been here for four years & hasn't developed into anything other then 50/50 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 He asked to seek a trade and the team said okay. Have a nice day. My feeling they wanted to jettison him anyway. That and Gibbs in recent interviews about the receiver left on the team lead one to believe that Joe's convinced he's gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammino Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 he gets called for penalties more tha any other WR in the league it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Drops too many balls, does a light jog when he's running a route where he isn't the primary receiver and is a poor blocker. He's gone and not a moment too soon. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Gibbs' isn't going to employ a receiver that he can't count on. Gardner is simply a blockhead.... incapable of the mental toughness and discipline needed to be a top tier receiver. His lack of concentration and focus is exhibited each week... with wrong routes run.... dropping of catchable balls..... and false start and holding penalties. It's been three years of the same... it's time to punt. Move on... visions of Gardner being Terrell Owens couldn't be farther from reality. He's David Terrell of the Bears.. just with slightly better numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINS STOMP Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Rumors are that we already have a deal in place with Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 He's outta here on the 1st thing smoking. He wants out and Coach Gibbs appears willing to accomidate his wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I would rather keep him then trade him for anything less tha a real high third rounder. He is easily worth a second. I think I change of scenary will be great for him. He can leave the stupid 50/50 nickname in Washington. Rod dropped 9 balls this year (officilay). He caught 51. Now tell me againn how that nickname works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDane Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Parties during the week probably didn't help. Hey, the guy got a little bit of a bum rap thanks to his nickname. But the bottom line is that he lost concentration too often, and that doesn't fly in this offense. He would have one high quality game, followed by three or four mediocre (at best) games. Trading him now potentially gives us some value, since he's got a year left on his contract (I think). Plus, it makes sense to try to fill his shoes in year two of Gibbs Deux, preferably with someone who shows up with his head on straight every game. Better than filling a #2 WR hole for nothing in Year Three. We can do better. May as well do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs' Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Gardner has been fairly consistent with his receiving numbers over the first four years of his career, 227 catches for 2,997 yards for averages of 56 catches and 750 yards, not bad numbers for a number two or three receiver....he has played in 61 of the 64 games, so has been relatively healthy as well....his contract is very affordable right now. The problem is his numbers although consistent for him, is not consistent for someone that was picked in the first round and expected to be a big-time receiver in the NFL. Expectations have been high for him and he hasn't lived up to it. If we can continue to keep at an affordable rate, then I am all for it. If he really wants to leave, then let his agent find a team that wants him and work out a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbo Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Originally posted by ntotoro Drops too many balls, does a light jog when he's running a route where he isn't the primary receiver and is a poor blocker. He's gone and not a moment too soon. Nick Yeah, he's like Randy Moss without the talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 Him wanting to leave is not a concern of mine. His concentration is. But that can be worked on! Its not like he has an inury problem which can just show up at any time. Nor does he have character flaws that make him a person that fans fon't want on their team. I think his main problem was not knowing the offense, which led to him being a lot more questionable in his routes and his actions on the field. But just like back in December when I was telling everybody that the offense isn't bad, its just complicated, I dont think that Gardener is a bad player, he just needs time to learn the offense. If he showed me some character flaws or problems with practicing too softly or taking plays off, then we'd have a problem and I'd want him gone. That's not what I've seen though, and so I think that the problems that people are stating about him are mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Originally posted by blakman211 As I've read through these threads over the past few days, there seems to be a general feeling here that we've already lost Gardener. I wonder what you all believe the chances are of him coming back? I know people call him 50/50, but I think he is the perfect reason that we dont NEED a top WR. He is still developing as a WR, and can easily get better with his drops by just concentrating on the ball more. But there's a reason that he was picked in the first round, and he still can be developed into a really good WR. Once again, I look at the Wizards and Kwame Brown and you see how they are trying to teach him and let the team grow with him. I think that people are giving up on Gardener a little too soon. People are going to bring up the fact that Gibbs allowed him to go find a trade. Well, that could be a thing similar to Coles but with less publicity. He could be another guy who didnt like the system and wanted to leave. That doesn't mean that he will leave though, all that needs to happen is he not get a good enough offer. But I think that he is easily better than our other options for similar salaries. So I'd be in favor of keeping BOTH Coles and Gardener and signing a veteran guy to come in here and serve as a leader in the locker room. How long does it take a receiver to develop? and BTW, Rod has developed, he's developed into a unreliable waste of a first rd. pick..if it was me id call him 30/70.. oh...and lets look at some other 1st. rd. picks that just needed to "develop" Michael Westbrook, Freddie Mitchell, Bryant Johnson, Todd Pinkston, David Terrell...all great players that just need to or needed to "develop":rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Gardener's been gone for two years already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Originally posted by REDSKINS STOMP Rumors are that we already have a deal in place with Tampa. That may be so but it can't get done until the 2nd when TB has to clear the cap space to fit him. Currently they are still way over and have players such as Brad Johnson to cut still before the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry wilburn Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Gardener walked in UFA two years ago and signed w/ Denver. Gardner is still on the team but will be traded for a late round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTaylor22 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I hope we get something better than a 2nd rounder for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Originally posted by TheREALJBird How long does it take a receiver to develop? and BTW, Rod has developed, he's developed into a unreliable waste of a first rd. pick..if it was me id call him 30/70.. oh...and lets look at some other 1st. rd. picks that just needed to "develop" Michael Westbrook, Freddie Mitchell, Bryant Johnson, Todd Pinkston, David Terrell...all great players that just need to or needed to "develop":rolleyes: 51 catches, 9 drops. Maybe you shouldn't have skipped all those math classes. You did alright though. I'd call your post 15/85. 15% ok, 85% BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martino Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Originally posted by Sebowski I would rather keep him then trade him for anything less tha a real high third rounder. He is easily worth a second. I think I change of scenary will be great for him. He can leave the stupid 50/50 nickname in Washington. Rod dropped 9 balls this year (officilay). He caught 51. Now tell me againn how that nickname works? Those 9 passes he dropped I could of caught with one hand tied behind my back with olive oil soaked all over my catching hand and body. He drops to many easy passes when we need em the most. As for the 51 catches.........well he would have more if he worked harder at getting open but then again he would have more drops if he was open. I wonder if the Jets would trade him for Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think it's 50-50 that he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 im gonna dance the day he leaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 If you are a Rod Gardner fan and would like to meet him - he will able to be found at YBOR CITY every Wednesday next season until 3am. Go get some autographs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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