Monte51Coleman Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 When you stink up the joint don't be surprised that people identify the source. Win games and even morons like Pastarelli will begin saying I told you so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Did Wilbon eat his food again :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absltmike Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I don't post here very often, but I had to get this off my chest... The line that irks me is the one "At least this keeps us from going 16-0.." AT LEAST?! I would seriously like to know what the hatred this guy has for this franchise to have not only a hate of the team, but for Joe Gibbs, who I think has left only good impressions with EVERYONE he's met. I tried finding a way to comment at ESPN.com, just to say that the "shock journalism" that he writes really degrades the good product that ESPN.com usually provides. At the very least, this guy could be the bigger man (physically, not that difficult) versus Wilbon and just ignore the "calling out" he did. This board seriously needs a picket sign icon with "Pasquerelli Sucks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by chiefhogskin48 Man, I can't wait til Wilbon responds. Wilbon has a much more powerful forum to destroy Lenny--- national television. Kornheiser will help him take a few shots too. The problem is that ESPN probably doesn't want this feud to expand any more than it has. So Wilbon may be limited to the print media and local radio. ESPN LOVES IT, it will bring new people to them each, this is what you call cheap advertising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I don't think any of us can rain on Lenny's parade, his movie Trilogy comes out on DVD tomorrow, he must be so excited. Len Pasquarelli Senior Sports Writer ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Say what you will about the rant, but this is as much Wilbon's fault as it is Pasta's. He attempted to publicly humiliate Pasta by calling stupid, biased, and basically saying he was going to personally confront him at the game. On top of that, Wilbon was acting in bias when he made the statements- a DC sportswriter feeling the need to personally attack another sportswriter because he poo-poo'd the home team?? Look, I'm not saying that the situation has not become ridiculous- it certainly has- but Wilbon begged for this and he got it... It'll be good for ratings and readership, but is essentially a petty arguement between 2 people with conflicting opinions. If we all look back in 7 years and realize it just didn't work out the way Skins fans hoped it would, is Wilbon going to issue some kind of public apology to Pasta? On the flipside, Pasta isn't going to start backing the Skins if they play a few good games, either. It's just stupid standoff between two sportswriters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsLegacy44 Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Fat boy needs to relax, and stop taking cheap shots at the Redskins. Can he only rely on 'redskins bashers' to support his sub-par writing skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Fat boy needs to relax, and stop taking cheap shots at the Redskins. I think you're half right. They aren't cheap shots- just observations that are (at this point) accurate. The fact tbhat he spent so much time on that one subject, though, was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilberMarshall Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas I think you're half right. They aren't cheap shots- just observations that are (at this point) accurate. The fact tbhat he spent so much time on that one subject, though, was ridiculous. ACCURATE? Did you manage to read the ENTIRE article? Did you read his previous articles? ACCURATE? Gimme a gaddam break... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 ACCURATE? Did you manage to read the ENTIRE article? Did you read his previous articles? He gives opinions and backs his his opinions up with statistics (in most cases). You can disagree with him- I do all the time- but it's not as though he just fabricates things. I'm not saying he's right or you have to agree with him. I'm not even saying the guy is a good writer- all that stuff is meaningless in this sense. I'm simply saying that the guy is saying stuff you don't like, not accusing the Skins of cims they haven't committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 f-dallas, Lenny didn't poo-poo the home team. Wilbon didn't criticize Lenny for saying Gibbs wouldn't succeed. What Lenny said was that in three years Gibbs would just be remembered as an ordinary Joe. And what Wilbon responded to was that thought. Wilbon said, correctly, that no matter WHAT Gibbs does this time around, it won't impact his legacy as a Hall of Fame coach any more than what Jordan did with the Wizards removes the fact that he was a great player among the best ever. Since Wilbon is correct and Lenny can't be right under any circumstances, there will be no need to apologize. Will there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Wilbon said, correctly, that no matter WHAT Gibbs does this time around, it won't impact his legacy as a Hall of Fame coach any more than what Jordan did with the Wizards removes the fact that he was a great player among the best ever. Since Wilbon is correct and Lenny can't be right under any circumstances, there will be no need to apologize. Will there? Art, you're right, if that is what Pasta meant (and it could have been). I just didn't get the impression from Pasta's article (the comments you referenced above) that he was saying the legacy of Gibbs would be tarnished. That's the way Wilbon took it, and maybe that's the way Pasta intended it, but that is not what I took from it at the time. I took it as "Gibbs will look like an ordinary coach after this run with the Skins". To me, that meant he will look like an average Joe this time around if you judge this stint on its own merit, not that his legacy will be tarnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas Art, you're right, if that is what Pasta meant (and it could have been). I just didn't get the impression from Pasta's article (the comments you referenced above) that he was saying the legacy of Gibbs would be tarnished. That's the way Wilbon took it, and maybe that's the way Pasta intended it, but that is not what I took from it at the time. I took it as "Gibbs will look like an ordinary coach after this run with the Skins". To me, that meant he will look like an average Joe this time around if you judge this stint on its own merit, not that his legacy will be tarnished. Here is the article being discussed by Wilbon. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1702628 By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com As the O.J. Simpson trial demonstrated, once they add the bronze to the statue and spit-polish the bust, it's difficult indeed to get booted out of the Hall of Fame. Lucky thing for Joe Gibbs. While a jury acquitted Simpson, there's no way Gibbs isn't guilty of at least dubious judgment, and he'd do well to plead nolo cotendere to charges he has taken leave of his senses. Makes you wonder if Gibbs, 11 seasons removed from the NFL sideline, has inhaled too many fumes while standing behind his fleet of NASCAR entries. The first reaction upon hearing that Gibbs has accepted the proposal of Redskins owner Dan Snyder was to wonder if the coach had suffered what heretofore will be known as a Britney Spears Moment. The second was to consider that, if he really wanted to coach again so badly, Gibbs could have inherited the Atlanta Falcons, a team in which he was a minority shareholder. The third was, well, to wish Gibbs good luck. Because he is going to need it in industrial barrel-sized measures. Make no mistake, just because Gibbs knows more about restrictor plates than he does running backs right now, his pride and work ethic will allow him to play catch up. Still, there will be days when Gibbs might confuse Patrick Ramsey, his quarterback, with a quarter-turn on some wing-nut that controls downforce. Closing the knowledge void won't be as easy as Tony Stewart trying to make up a lap after having a flawed right front tire blister up on him. The learning curve gap that Gibbs faces could be every bit as treacherous as the third turn at Talladaga. Clearly, the great coach has been able, however, to mentally rationalize away all the negatives. Then again, once you've been engaged in an undertaking where you huckster off every inch of the product for more sponsor's decals, it's apparently not quite as hard to auction your soul to the devil, as Gibbs has done. Gibbs retired after the 1992 season, a three-time Super Bowl champion, a man at the top of his profession. That 1992 date is significant because it means that Gibbs never worked under the restraints of a salary cap and never had to deal with free agency as we know it now. It is meaningful, too, because 11 seasons is a lifetime in the NFL, as Gibbs will soon find out, and the players have changed. Notice, we didn't say the game has changed that much because, as Dick Vermeil demonstrated after returning from a 15-season hiatus and Bill Parcells keeps proving in his various reincarnations, the same principles that he taught in his first coaching life still apply. His game-planning and preparation brilliance aside, though, Gibbs will discover that, if he tells LaVar Arrington to not freelance so much, the results won't be the same as they were with, say, Monte Coleman. The Redskins are a team who, scouts will tell you, has enough quality personnel. But just because there's a guy named Champ on the roster doesn't mean Washington is going to a Super Bowl anytime soon. And bringing back venerable assistant coach Joe Bugel won't guarantee that the guy who tutored The Hogs can make a silk purse from an offensive line unit that in 2003 had all the movement skills of bumps on logs. Led the past two years by a man who loved to refer to himself as The Ol' Ball Coach, the Redskins are now shepherded by a man who is old, hasn't been a coach in over a decade, and may not fully understand how ball is played in this millennium. And then, of course, there is the matter of ownership. Some credit to Snyder, who began the courtship of Gibbs on New Year's Eve at a tiny airfield in Concord, N.C. When we got an anonymous tip that Redskins One was parked there -- sorry, Dan, it's a private jet and not a Stealth bomber -- team officials responded to the query by insisting the imperial owner was "on business." Yep, monkey business, with one of The Daniel's minority partners, a buddy of Gibbs for many years, brokering the deal. All the posturing afterwards -- the trip to the West Coast, the interviews with three other candidates, questioning media acquaintances about what the best age is for a head coach -- was little more than a diversion. Long before Tuesday, when word began to leak that the Redskins little man was up to something big, we all should have seen the light. The Daniel, after all, is a product of the Beltway Mentality. He frets far too much about buying success than developing it, obsesses about how he is perceived, covets the lineage of his franchise instead of figuring out a new world way for inventing his own heritage. He surrounds himself with links to the Redskins past, counseling with old school types, instead of trying to uplink to the future. Build through the draft? Why bother when you can open the coffers and buy a bunch of veterans? Actually hire a coach who can grow with your franchise? C'mon, this is all about a big name guy coaching bigger-name players. Marty Schottenheimer. Steve Spurrier. And now Joe Gibbs. For years, Gibbs worked under the notoriously meddlesome Jack Kent Cooke, so maybe he thinks he is prepared to have an owner peering over his shoulder. Jack Kent Cooke might soon look like an absentee owner to Gibbs, though, given what awaits him. Good thing for Gibbs he's got a history, after all these years in NASCAR, of working the pits. People in the business like to refer to Arizona as the elephant burial grounds for head coaching careers. Well, now Gibbs is headed into the Beltway Vortex, and here's hoping he has thought this thing out. Maybe we'll be wrong about this but, for the heck of it, here's a bet: Three years from now, the guy who accepted the Redskins job as a Hall of Fame member will be viewed as just another ordinary Joe. Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 He is the same guy in the offseason(training camp) who said Portis looked like a 2000 yard runner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by f_dallas Art, you're right, if that is what Pasta meant (and it could have been). I just didn't get the impression from Pasta's article (the comments you referenced above) that he was saying the legacy of Gibbs would be tarnished. That's the way Wilbon took it, and maybe that's the way Pasta intended it, but that is not what I took from it at the time. I took it as "Gibbs will look like an ordinary coach after this run with the Skins". To me, that meant he will look like an average Joe this time around if you judge this stint on its own merit, not that his legacy will be tarnished. Read that last line again then. Nowhere does he say "this time around." The man threw a tantrum, got called on it, and is now gloating after the Redskins' first loss. There's just not a lot to defend about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Why does he hate the Redskins so much? I have yet to see a positive article from him giving the Redskins credit. Did Snyder tick him off one time and now he's out for blood? It's very unprofessional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Read that last line again then. Nowhere does he say "this time around."The man threw a tantrum, got called on it, and is now gloating after the Redskins' first loss. There's just not a lot to defend about this. This reminds me of an ink blot test ("Hey, where did you get that picture of my mother telling me I'll never amount to anything?- Drew Carey) :laugh: I read that at the time and took it just the way I described it above- saying he's taking the job as a hall of famer, but will look like an average Joe. I can see how it could easily be read the other way, but that's just not the way I saw it. If that's his contention, it's wrong- there isn't anything Gibbs can do to tarnish his rep for what he accomplished. He could hurt it slightly (If Jimmy Johnson wouldn't have failed withn the Dolphins, he would probably be remembered more favorably, ditto Ditka with the Saints) if he completely falls on his face, but what he has already accomplished solidified his legacy no matter what happens. Even if that IS what he meant, Wilbon attacked him and begged for the rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chokingdogs Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 lol i cant wait to watch PTI tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 i cant wait to watch PTI tonight. The benefit everyone gets to enjoy- should be funny :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani2 Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 WOW ESPN needs to kick this guy to the curb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Bass Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Lenny was right. Gibbs is a total failure. He let his team go 1-1. He might as well just throw in the towel this season. EDIT: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 A journalist openly cheerleading for a team to fail is ridicilous. What is it going to take for ESPN to "can" this guy. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Montana Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Pastabelly better watch himself. It's one thing to have no journalistic integrity, but surely this fat@ss must have heard the saying "Don't sh*t where you eat." If this feud is for real, and this thing escalates, I don't think Pastabelly is going to like the outcome. There is no question where ESPN's loyalties will lie with this one. Wilbon and "PTI" are worth a lot more to the network than anything Jabba can contribute. If they wanted, Wilbon and TK could easliy push Pastabelly out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 He had this article ready. Soon as the Skins lost their first game he was going to strike...:puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Montana Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by RonJeremy A journalist openly cheerleading for a team to fail is ridicilous. What is it going to take for ESPN to "can" this guy. :mad: Hopefully, Jabba keeps writing articles like his one this week. And hopefully this Wilbon thing escalates. At this point, Pastabelly is just digging himself into a deeper hole. At some point ESPN will have to drop the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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