Angus Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Will the Portis of the AFC West be the same effective Portis in the NFC East? Portis, we are told, rushed for more than 1,500 yards per season with Denver. In the AFC West he played six games each year against the Chargers (2), the Raiders (2), and the Chiefs (2), which collectively gave up 7,072 rushing yards last year. In the NFC East in the coming season he will play six games against Philadelphia (2), Dallas (2), and the Giants (2), which together gave up 5,404 yards against the run (more than 1,600 yards less). Do you think he can do as well against these intra-division rivals as he did against the ones in the AFC West? Or better? http://www.nfl.com/teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Have you seen Portis play yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Portis will do just fine. He has the talent and skills. However, due to the reason you stated (better defense in the NFC east) and a balanced attack on offense (not to mention situational substitutions or substitutions to keep him fresh), I don't think he'll reach 1500 yards this season. I would say 1400+. What is the most yards a Gibbs RB or any Redskin RB has ever gotten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsLegacy44 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 The AFC West had three of the top four RB's in the league. So the numbers (yards allowed) are relatively inflated due to the amount of talent at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 He did get many many yards against the Chiefs last year. But hopefully he can do that to a team in the NFC East now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 In answer to my own question, I looked it up. The most yards for a back in Redskins history is 1,432 in 2001 by Stephen Davis. The most for a RB under Gibbs is 1,347 (Riggins) in 1983. So I would be surprised is Portis gets 1500 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Portis will not get 1500....I think a nice 1200 is in order. And to be honest...I'd be more happy with him just making clutch 1st down runs than worrying about his yardage. Plus I think for all this talk about 3rd down backs, Gibbs will still get Portis some nice yards through the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by Angus Will the Portis of the AFC West be the same effective Portis in the NFC East? Portis, we are told, rushed for more than 1,500 yards per season with Denver. In the AFC West he played six games each year against the Chargers (2), the Raiders (2), and the Chiefs (2), which collectively gave up 7,072 rushing yards last year. In the NFC East in the coming season he will play six games against Philadelphia (2), Dallas (2), and the Giants (2), which together gave up 5,404 yards against the run (more than 1,600 yards less). Do you think he can do as well against these intra-division rivals as he did against the ones in the AFC West? Or better? http://www.nfl.com/teams You make a good point. And KC's defense was really horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Okay lets look at who else the Bronco's played last year. Opp Att Yds Pitt 18 77 Balt 27 107 N.E. 29 109 Those are just some of the teams that have good defenses and Portis ran for good yardage on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Yeah, he got a lot of yards against the Chiefs. And he also missed 3 games. If we're gonna start making excuses for why he did well, we can. I can also sit here and argue that his numbers will be even better with a more talented surrounding cast and HOF HC designing the offense. Oh, and a 16 season should help his #s - though as he's proven - he can run for 1500 without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Depends on what you consider as good. Say he barely cracks 1000, but has 20 TDs plus 30-40 receptions and a bunch of long runs. Does that mean he's a bust? Not IMO. I am sure if that were to pan out, every opposing team lurker will come to this board to make us eat crow. Those #'s are pretty sick. Also, if you couple that with a backup gaining a considerable amount of yards, Prtis stays healthy and we get to the playoffs, that means Coach Gibbs is protecting his investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Portis will have a lot of total yards. Maybe between 1300-1400 yards on the ground if the OL is coached up quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 In a Gibbs system, he should have well over 1200 yards…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by jrfriedm Okay lets look at who else the Bronco's played last year. Opp Att Yds Pitt 18 77 Balt 27 107 N.E. 29 109 Those are just some of the teams that have good defenses and Portis ran for good yardage on. What's encouraging to me is the number of carries in those latter two. Wonder why so few against the Steelers. Did they maybe get way behind early... ? Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKS1414 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 I think Portis will do just fine. 1,500 yards is not out of the question, but I'm sure there will be a period of adjustment getting use to a new playbook and blockers. Portis' yards will depend alot on how fast the Boss Hog can get the line in shape for a solid ground attack. I look for Portis to get between 1,300 and 1,600 yards. Its a good bet that the Redskin single season rushing record will go down this year. :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DaysLatr Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 I like the question. I think that he will still be a break away threat that is absolutely frightening to think about should he break free of the front seven of any opposing defense. HOWEVER, the NFC East is a very different division from the AFC West and I very definately expect to see his overall yardage and TD numbers come down from what they have been. This is not saying he will not be effective as a top line "TB" (for whoever had a problem with my using the initials HB in a previous post). I think he will still have a great impact on the team and more importantly our opponents but to expect those numbers when we are replacing KC, SD and Oak with Dallas, NYG and Philly is a tall order. That's 6 games vs cupcake D's, becoming 4 games vs 2 very good D's and 2 games vs the G-Men who I never take lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by Phat Hog In a Gibbs system, he should have well over 1200 yards…. I agree he should have over 1200 yards, however Gibbs system is a balanced system and RBs won't break the bank. Here are the leading rushers in each of Gibbs previous 12 seasons. Year Rusher Yards 1981 Washington 916 1982 Riggins 513 1983 Riggins 1347 1984 Riggins 1239 1985 Rogers 1093 1986 Rogers 1203 1987 Rogers 613 1988 Bryant 498 1989 Riggs 834 1990 Byner 1219 1991 Byner 1048 1992 Byner 998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Joe Hog Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 A star is a star regardless of the division in which he plays. He'll get his yards. Much more importantly, I hope that by doing his job he helps the team go to the playoffs. I think he will. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by China I agree he should have over 1200 yards, however Gibbs system is a balanced system and RBs won't break the bank. Here are the leading rushers in each of Gibbs previous 12 seasons. Year Rusher Yards 1981 Washington 916 1982 Riggins 513 1983 Riggins 1347 1984 Riggins 1239 1985 Rogers 1093 1986 Rogers 1203 1987 Rogers 613 1988 Bryant 498 1989 Riggs 834 1990 Byner 1219 1991 Byner 1048 1992 Byner 998 Exactly, and I think that Portis will only touch the ball over 25 times in a few games. Gibbs will like to grind it..but Portis isn't exactly that kind of back. So Gibbs will make sure he spreads some touches around for the backups like Betts, Trung, or Morton (whoever makes the team).. Because of this I still call Portis between 1200-1350. It's not that he can't do it...it's just that he won't be allowed to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominatingDonkeys Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 If Portis is able to get 20+ carries a game and can stay healthy, he will have well over 1,500 yards. He has blazing speed and is a big play back. He rips off 30 yarders like there nothing. He's led the NFL in YPC at 5.5 in his 1st 2 years. If he gets over 300 carries, watch out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 In the 6 games V his own division he faced the 26th 30th and 32nd rated run D's and he rushed for 806 on 126 carries for a 6.4 yd average. In the other games he rushed for 785 on 164 carries for a very good 4.8 yd average. In the only games he played against teams ranked in the top 15 run D's he averaged 4.3 per V NE....3.4 V Bal and 3.1 V Pit. Conclusion...He didn't do so well against the top run D's but that's why they're the top run D's. I think SD Oak and KC should all send a drat pick do the Skins in appreciation for getting him the hell out of the AFC West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Comparing Portis to any of Gibbs other FEATURE RBs is not a fair assessment of his talents. Riggins and Byner were not very explosive they would beat a defense up and then break a few big runs during the course of it all. If you want to look at an explosive back that played under Gibbs look no further than Timmy Smith , and we all know what he did. Other explosive backs that Gibbs had Bryant and Washington didnt get nearly the carries that Portis will likely get, or that Riggins and Byner got. With a healthy season Portis should easily reach the 1500 yard mark if he adjusts to the offense and the OL does their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 if Portis doesnt do well here, then the trade will not have been worth it. He has to rush for 1500 or more in order to justify the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by illone if Portis doesnt do well here, then the trade will not have been worth it. He has to rush for 1500 or more in order to justify the trade. I'll take 1200 yds as long as he hits the end zone 15 times like he has been doing. Barring injury, I think several years down the road. Skins fans will look back on this trade and say we got the better of the deal. Ya know, in thinking about Portis coming to a tougher division against the run...kinda makes you wonder why the Broncos were so interested in a "shutdown corner" when they have no receivers in their division? :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 is portis out of favor already? i'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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