The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[Koolblue13]

9 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

Good because I really don't want to do that. 🙂

Yes you do and it sucks ass.

[HigSkin]

More from Diana Rossini on Get Up -

 

There's a lot of speculation that Rodgers would be the first domino to fall, whether he gets traded or stays.  If he wants to be traded, he has say on where he goes, the team would have to agree to the trade compensation and then Rodgers wants to be the highest paid QB in the league.

 

Lots of crap to figure out if he wants out.

 

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

I hate the idea of trading for Jimmy G

I think we all do, no matter what side of the fence you're on about Heineke.  That said, it's still possible the 49ers run it back with Jimmy once again - because Lance may still not be ready.

 

4 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

I do believe Rivera wants a QB in place before FA so I will expecting a QB trade of some sort

And I can't blame him for that.  This team desperately needs a legitimate QB and fast, not just to lure free agents but to sell hope to his own team and this fanbase that is already a mere fraction of what it once was, now also dealing with mediocre rebrand.

 

The best possible thing that could happen for Ron to take the heat off all this is for Dan to get the boot.  Sure, most likely Ron would be looking for a new gig when a new owner comes on, but he'd be safe for now and the fanbase would be euphoric and less concerned about the QB position.

[Koolblue13]

I can't imagine that if I was a year or two out from retirement and I was forcing a trade, I would take a minimal contract and just want to win and have fun.

[HigSkin]

 

[zCommander]

16 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

We could get Aaron Rodgers and I’m certain folks would complain about him in the gameday thread.  So I’m not real sure what point you’re making with this.  
 

Trading a pick and paying for Jimmy G is very low on my offseason options list.  In fact, it ranks just above rolling with Heineke once again.  But we could end up in a situation where acquiring Jimmy is the best possible option this org will have.

 

Was talking about Jimmy, who throws even less shorter passes than Taylor.

 

OTH, Aaron could do whatever the **** he wants to on the field. 😊

 

If we can't get Aaron or Russell then they have to get their QB in the draft and start him. That is the only option I want to see. 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by zCommander

[DWinzit]

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I think we all do, no matter what side of the fence you're on about Heineke.  That said, it's still possible the 49ers run it back with Jimmy once again - because Lance may still not be ready.

 

And I can't blame him for that.  This team desperately needs a legitimate QB and fast, not just to lure free agents but to sell hope to his own team and this fanbase that is already a mere fraction of what it once was, now also dealing with mediocre rebrand.

 

The best possible thing that could happen for Ron to take the heat off all this is for Dan to get the boot.  Sure, most likely Ron would be looking for a new gig when a new owner comes on, but he'd be safe for now and the fanbase would be euphoric and less concerned about the QB position.

Really are in a cruddy position being needy and everyone knowing it.

 

If SF does keep Jimmy G because of Lance, we should be paying more attention to that and the Green Bay/Love situation. Lance and Love were ranked at least as high as guys like WIllis and Corral, neither may still be NFL ready. There is so much expected of young guys that may have little pro style experience

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

3 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I can't imagine that if I was a year or two out from retirement and I was forcing a trade, I would take a minimal contract and just want to win and have fun.

Rodgers is a rare bird though in that it seems he's always had a chip on his shoulder.  I'd think he was smart enough to know that if he wants his next team to give up an abundance of draft capital and/or star players to acquire him and then subsequently make him the highest paid QB in the game that it would be to the detriment of his ability to win another Super Bowl.  

1 minute ago, zCommander said:

 

Was talking about Jimmy, who throws even less shorter passes than Taylor.

 

OTH, Aaron could do whatever the **** he wants to on the field. 😊

 

If we can't get Aaron or Russell then they have to get their QB in the draft and start him. That is the only option I want to see. 

 

I'm not real concerned about the length of passes thrown, it's how they are delivered and does the QB have the ability to stretch the field, at least enough to keep the defense honest.  Jimmy does, Taylor absolutely does not.

 

As for drafting a rookie and starting him, that sounds good and all - it really does, I'd love to acquire a cheap rookie that can play week 1.  It just doesn't appear that's in the cards right now.  Hopefully, the projections are wrong.  But the reason the discussions about acquiring a proven veteran QB revolve around giving up massive draft capital/assets and spending big $ is because they don't grow on trees and the likelihood the guy you draft is going to be good is very slim, even if you know what you're doing.

[Est.1974]

13 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

More from Diana Rossini on Get Up -

 

There's a lot of speculation that Rodgers would be the first domino to fall, whether he gets traded or stays.  If he wants to be traded, he has say on where he goes, the team would have to agree to the trade compensation and then Rodgers wants to be the highest paid QB in the league.

 

Lots of crap to figure out if he wants out.

 

 

And Adams want to be the highest paid WR. I think they are playing on the same team this upcoming season, even if it isn’t GB.

[DJHJR86]

I have no idea how to fix the missing link going forward, but I do know that trading for Jimmy G or signing Trubisky, Winston, or Bridgewater ain't it.  Of the realistic trade possibilities, I would prefer Wentz and to draft a QB in the first round.  

[DWinzit]

2 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

And Adams want to be the highest paid WR. I think they are playing on the same team this upcoming season, even if it isn’t GB.

Yeah, if it's Washington I'd say Terry would probably be included in the Rodgers trade

1 minute ago, DJHJR86 said:

I have no idea how to fix the missing link going forward, but I do know that trading for Jimmy G or signing Trubisky, Winston, or Bridgewater ain't it.  Of the realistic trade possibilities, I would prefer Wentz and to draft a QB in the first round.  

Yup, if they acquire Wentz or your other names, they def need to draft a QB also. 

[HigSkin]

 

1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

Age: 38 | 2021 stats: 4,115 yds, 37 TD / 4 INT

Washington has made it clear this offseason that the club wants to take a big swing at quarterback. If Aaron Rodgers becomes available, there's no bigger swing to take. The back-to-back MVP would be the most talented quarterback to ever play in Washington the second he takes his first snap. He's proven over the past two seasons that he's still as good as any signal-caller in the league, despite his playoff shortcomings. Washington has a solid, young defense and decent skill-position players on offense to put around Rodgers. By trading for No. 12, the attractiveness of playing in Washington increases substantially, too. If Rodgers becomes available, Washington should push all its chips into the center for the QB. - Cadeaux

2. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks

Age: 33 | 2021 stats: 3,113 yds, 25 TD / 6 INT

It's unclear just how willing, if at all, the Seahawks are to trade Russell Wilson. If they do, the package required to get him will be astronomical. Yet the Commanders should do everything they can to acquire Wilson if there's even a smidgeon of a chance he's on the block. We saw what kind of impact Matt Stafford made on the Rams this season and there are plenty of reasons to believe Washington is a franchise QB away from being legit contenders. They can't afford to be the runners-up once again. - Weyrich

 

 

3. Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans

Age: 26 | 2021 stats: N/A

There should be an asterisk the size of a baseball next to Deshaun Watson's name here. In my opinion, the current sexual misconduct and sexual assault accusations he's facing make him impossible for Washington to acquire, seeing as owner Dan Snyder has recently been accused of sexual harassment in his own right. However, if Watson's murky situation is cleared up, then he makes complete sense for the Commanders to pursue — but that "if" is as big as it gets. - Hailey

4. Derek Carr, Las Vegas Raiders

Age: 30 | 2021 stats: 4,804 yds, 23 TD / 14 INT

Carr is about to enter the final year of his contract and it's been suggested he could get an extension north of $40 million per year. It's fair to wonder if he's worth all of that money. Carr is certainly better than the non-Wilson/Rodgers candidates on this list, but he's not close to those two guys, either. Still, he'd be the best QB Washington's had since Kirk Cousins so that price tag may be worth it to them. - DePrisco

 

 

5. Jimmy Garoppolo, San Francisco 49ers

Age: 30 | 2021 stats: 3,810 yds, 20 TD / 12 INT

Even with the warranted criticisms of Jimmy Garappolo, the numbers don't lie: when Jimmy G starts, his team usually wins. Garoppolo isn't an elite quarterback by any means, but he's proven capable to take talented teams deep in the postseason. Washington's roster has multiple similarities to San Francisco's -- a solid defense, especially along the front, along with multiple versatile skill players on offense. The Commanders are a situation Jimmy G would likely welcome, too. If Washington misses out on Rodgers, Wilson or Watson, Garoppolo is surely their best option to compete in 2022. - Cadeaux

6. Malik Willis, Liberty

Age: 22 | 2021 stats: 2,857 yds, 27 TD / 12 INT (878 rush yds, 13 TD)

This year's playoffs showed that superb quarterback play is what the Commanders need to be striving for. Not quarterback play that is merely an upgrade over what they've recently had and not quarterback play that is solid or really good with a quality roster. To actually matter in this sport, it's a requirement to have a signal-caller who can affect the game in a multitude of ways and who is electric enough to climb out of deficits late. Willis could one day become that sort of piece, even if it'll take him a while to get there. - Hailey

 

 

7. Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh

Age: 23 | 2021 stats: 4,319 yds, 42 TD / 7 INT

Kenny Pickett exploded onto the college football scene in 2021, finishing as a Heisman Trophy finalist. The Pitt star put up incredible numbers while cementing himself as a likely first-round pick in the process. Yet, when looking at Pickett's full body of work, his lack of success over his first four seasons cannot be ignored. While he did improve in almost every facet in 2021, there are still questions about his decision-making and arm strength. Pickett has the tools to be a successful NFL quarterback, but for him to land in Washington, the Commanders would have to use pick No. 11 on him. The value, though, might not be worth it. - Cadeaux

 

 

8. Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings

Age: 33 | 2021 stats: 4,221 yds, 33 TD / 7 INT

Could a Cousins reunion actually work? Probably not considering Washington had plenty of chances to sign Cousins to a long-term deal five years ago and let the Vikings ink him to $84 million guaranteed. Also, throw in the fact that his cap hit would be $45 million for the 2022 season and you start to see why this likely won't happen. However, it's not like the Commanders are in a position to say "absolutely not" to a guy who consistently puts up 4,000-yard, 30-touchdown seasons. - DePrisco

9. Matt Corral, Ole Miss

Age: 23 | 2021 stats: 3,343 yds, 20 TD / 5 INT (614 rush yds, 11 TD)

Corrall may lack size, but he makes up for it with a good arm and an ability to extend plays with his legs. His transition to the pros may not be as seamless as other QBs in his class due to Ole Miss' offensive scheme, but a team like the Commanders could view him as a high-upside investment and go with Heinicke or another veteran quarterback in 2022. - DePrisco

 

 

10. Jared Goff, Detroit Lions

Age: 27 | 2021 stats: 3,245 yds, 19 TD / 8 INT

Goff showed some life under center once Dan Campbell took over play-calling and some offensive weapons began to emerge. He finished the year with a career-high 67.2 completion percentage and a passer rating (91.5) identical to his average with the Rams. Detroit probably gives him another shot at their starting job, but he would be an intriguing option for the Commanders. - Weyrich

11. Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts

Age: 29 | 2021 stats: 3,563 yds, 27 TD / 7 INT

The reason Carson Wentz is so low is not necessarily a reflection of his talent. Rather, over the past few years, it's been proven that a good, not great QB can only take a team so far. Indianapolis' roster in 2021 was stacked. Seven players made the Pro Bowl. Yet, the team still missed out on the postseason and Wentz's shortcomings were a major reason why. Wentz has proven his ceiling is just an above-average QB. The question is, does he have the ability to take over a game anymore, nonetheless carry a team on a postseason run? For Washington, chasing after Wentz would show the franchise is content to be stuck in mediocrity. - Cadeaux

 

 

12. Sam Howell, North Carolina

Age: 21 | 2021 stats: 3,056 yds, 24 TD / 9 INT (828 rush yds, 11 TD)

Despite the down year he endured in his final season at UNC, Sam Howell may be the best option for the Commanders in the draft. First of all, none of the QBs from this year's draft probably warrant a first-round pick, yet it appears likely that at least Kenny Pickett and Malik Willis will be gone by No. 11. The Commanders could trade back and select Howell with a later pick or even snag him in the second round if he slips that far. His two best traits are his accuracy and ability to throw under pressure, two attributes that can take a QB far in the NFL. If Washington has the confidence to develop a young signal-caller, Howell is a strong investment at his current draft stock. - Weyrich

13. Taylor Heinicke, Washington Commanders

Age: 28 | 2021 stats: 3,419 yards, 20 TD / 15 INT

Watching Taylor Heinicke get his chance to start for essentially a full season in 2021 was enjoyable to watch. Crotchety journalists will say you shouldn't root for guys you cover, but Heinicke was too likable not to. That said, his inconsistencies and lack of true physical gifts get exposed over long stretches of play, which makes him a Colt McCoy-like backup whom no one should be interested in seeing as the No. 1 guy under basically any circumstance. - Hailey

 

 

14. Desmond Ridder, Cincinnati

Age: 22 | 2021 stats: 3,334 yds, 30 TD / 8 INT (355 rush yds, 6 TD)

There's a lot to like about Ridder. He's big, mobile, has a great arm and was a four-year starter at Cincy. He isn't accurate enough at this point yet, however. Considering that's the most important quality a quarterback can have these days, it makes Ridder a hard sell for any team looking for their next franchise quarterback in this year's draft. - DePrisco

15. Carson Strong, Nevada

Age: 22 | 2021 stats: 4,186 yds, 36 TD / 8 INT

Strong unironically has a cannon for an arm and can move a lot better than you'd expect out of a pocket-passing specialist. Still, he isn't expected to be a first-round pick this year and if all the Commanders come away with from this offseason is Heinicke and a mid-round rookie, that's going to be a tough sell to the fan base. - DePrisco

 

[HigSkin]

Austin Gayle (PFF) on The Junkies this morning said he really thinks based on what he is hearing, Seattle might be done with Russell Wilson as well.  He mentioned a percentage that Wilson is moved at 55%.  He said he thinks this roster is too good to just draft a guy at #11 that starts.  He hears Washington, from NFL people outside the area, is considered a really good team less an above average QB.  They have a lot of really good young talent on rookie deals and now is the time to go big.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by HigSkin

[RWJ]

1 minute ago, HigSkin said:

Austin Gayle (PFF) on The Junkies this morning said he really thinks based on what he is hearing, Seattle might be done with Russell Wilson as well.  He mentioned a percentage that Wilson is moved at 55%.  He said he thinks this roster is too good to just draft a guy at #11 that starts.  He hears Washington, from NFL people outside the area, is considered a really good team less an above average QB. 

That's our guy!  Hope we can get him.  Again, so much speculation so we wait it out.  Probably long shots but we shall see. 

[Koolblue13]

Next year the Jimmy G led 49ers will beat the Wilson led Commie ****s in the championship game.

[DWinzit]

3 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Next year the Jimmy G led 49ers will beat the Wilson led Commie ****s in the championship game.

I think Jimmy will be wiping Lances butt next January 

[mistertim]

24 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

Really are in a cruddy position being needy and everyone knowing it.

 

If SF does keep Jimmy G because of Lance, we should be paying more attention to that and the Green Bay/Love situation. Lance and Love were ranked at least as high as guys like WIllis and Corral, neither may still be NFL ready. There is so much expected of young guys that may have little pro style experience

 

I think there's almost zero chance that SF keeps Jimmy G. He basically gave a farewell address to the media at the end of the season, so him being traded seems to be pretty much set in stone. They've basically already said their goodbyes. 

 

There are worse options than Jimmy G, but egads I really hope we don't panic and overpay for such a mediocre QB if/when the big guys on our list don't become available or go elsewhere.

[Skinsinparadise]

10 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

Austin Gayle (PFF) on The Junkies this morning said he really thinks based on what he is hearing, Seattle might be done with Russell Wilson as well.  He mentioned a percentage that Wilson is moved at 55%.  He said he thinks this roster is too good to just draft a guy at #11 that starts.  He hears Washington, from NFL people outside the area, is considered a really good team less an above average QB.  They have a lot of really good young talent on rookie deals and now is the time to go big.

 

 

 

That scares because I'd put money on the Eagles even if they didn't have three first round picks for two reasons:  1.  Howie Roseman is probably the best wheeler dealer trader in the NFL.  Not the best GM but best trader.  Jalen Hurts for his faults is a bonafide NFL QB, Heinicke is not.  And Seattle apparently wants a QB.

 

I'll stick to the season is over if the Eagles get Wilson unless we get a big name ourselves.  I know some think I am dramatic on the point but judging by twitter among other places, there would be nothing IMO that woud shake up this fan base more than us both striking out at a franchise QB AND another team in the division actually getting one.  The backdrop of a division where Dallas has Dak, Eagles have Wilson and we have Trubisky would be beyond a comical cruel joke for the Commanders PR team dealing with ticket sales next season

 

Keim was talking about the NFC East QB dynamic with his agent, Joel Corry on his last podcast.  Them saying one of the more attractive things about the NFC East right now is there is only one team with a franchise QB unlike some other divisions. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[RWJ]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

That scares because I'd put money on the Eagles even if they didn't have three first round picks for two reasons:  1.  Howie Roseman is probably the best wheeler dealer trader in the NFL.  Not the best GM but best trader.  Jalen Hurts for his faults is a bonafide NFL QB, Heinicke is not.  And Seattle apparently wants a QB.

 

I'll stick to the season is over if the Eagles get Wilson unless we get a big name ourselves.  I know some think I am dramatic on the point but judging by twitter among other places, there would be nothing IMO that woud shake up this fan base more than us both striking out at a franchise QB AND another team in the NFL actually getting one.  The backdrop of a division where Dallas has Dak, Eagles have Wilson and we have Trubisky would be beyond a comical cruel joke for the Commanders PR team dealing with ticket sales next season

 

Keim was talking about this with Joel Corry on his last podcast.  One of the more attractive things about the NFC East right now is there is only one team with a franchise QB unlike some other divisions. 

Let's see if RR and Co. back up the words they have been using about swinging for the fence.  This would be the homerun they need.    

[DJHJR86]

17 hours ago, Zim489 said:

Your season is over if the starting QB is out for any significant period of time. The value of the Back up QB IMO is grossly overstated by fans of football. 

 

Your season could be over if the starting QB is out for the final 3 games, of which 2 of them is a must win, and you have Tim Boyle as your backup as opposed to Heinicke.  

[HigSkin]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

That scares because I'd put money on the Eagles even if they didn't have three first round picks for two reasons:  1.  Howie roseman is probably the best wheeler dealer trader in the NFL.  Not the best GM but best trader.  Jalen Hurts for his faults is a bonafide NFL QB, Heinicke is not.  And Seattle apparently wants a QB.

 

I'll stick to the season is over if the Eagles get Wilson unless we get a big name ourselves.  I know some think I am dramatic on the point but judging by twitter among other places, there would be nothing IMO that woud shake up this fan base more than us both striking out at a franchise QB AND another team in the NFL actually getting one.  The backdrop of a division where Dallas has Dak, Eagles have Wilson and we have Trubisky would be beyond a comical cruel joke for the Commanders PR team dealing with ticket sales next season

 

Keim was talking about this with Joel Corry on his last podcast.  One of the more attractive things about the NFC East right now is there is only one team with a franchise QB unlike some other divisions. 

 

I hear ya and guess we'll see.  There are smarter people than me trying to set these trades up but I suppose there are different ways to skin the cat, like 3 team trades that get them back a QB or viable 1st round players included vs picks.  

[Mrshadow008]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

That scares because I'd put money on the Eagles even if they didn't have three first round picks for two reasons:  1.  Howie Roseman is probably the best wheeler dealer trader in the NFL.  Not the best GM but best trader.  Jalen Hurts for his faults is a bonafide NFL QB, Heinicke is not.  And Seattle apparently wants a QB.

 

I'll stick to the season is over if the Eagles get Wilson unless we get a big name ourselves.  I know some think I am dramatic on the point but judging by twitter among other places, there would be nothing IMO that woud shake up this fan base more than us both striking out at a franchise QB AND another team in the division actually getting one.  The backdrop of a division where Dallas has Dak, Eagles have Wilson and we have Trubisky would be beyond a comical cruel joke for the Commanders PR team dealing with ticket sales next season

 

Keim was talking about the NFC East QB dynamic with his agent, Joel Corry on his last podcast.  Them saying one of the more attractive things about the NFC East right now is there is only one team with a franchise QB unlike some other divisions. 

Keep in mind however Russ has to approve trade. What worries me even more is philly trades for rodgers and signs adams while scaring off Russ from here in the process.

[DWinzit]

1 minute ago, Mrshadow008 said:

Keep in mind however Russ has to approve trade. What worries me even more is philly trades for rodgers and signs adams while scaring off Russ from here in the process.

Funny , I was thinking the same thing, Rodgers to Philly. And only one big name QB will want to join the NFCE

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Let's see if RR and Co. back up the words they have been using about swinging for the fence.  This would be the homerun they need.    

 

It would be very interesting.  Eagles with more trade barter and Roseman is considered by some as the best in the business at making trades -- Roseman is uber creative with it and uber aggressive. And I've read enough about Roseman to know he's not in the old school camp of build a big time supporting cast and if so you are fine with a game manager.  Roseman is Cerrato in terms of doing whatever it takes to get his man if Cerrato had any brains.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Redskins 2021]

1 hour ago, samy316 said:

 

Not if the QB we get is mediocre.  If we end up with Trubisky/Marriota, you can forget about us getting any quality FA WR's.  They would take one look at our pathetic QB situation, and decide to sign elsewhere.  Wentz would be the only QB we could sign, who isn't "great", but has a cannon arm, and can find his weapons.  He had only one decent WR last year playing for the Colts, and STILL threw for 27TD/7INT.  Obviously, if we're lucky enough to get a Rodgers or a Wilson, you would see our chances improve greatly in attracting all kinds of FA's.

 We will still get someone they want to get paid but your right top number 2 will not come and we will have to over pay for lesser ones.