RemoveSnyder Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Rudock still looks like the shaky QB he was at Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Shaun Wilson looks like he added good muscle to his frame, still has the shiftiness and speed too. #Duke It begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Can't find the 2014 draft thread. But there were a lot of people that liked Cyril Richardson. Bills waived OG Cyril Richardson, RB Bronson Hill, RB Cierre Wood, OL William Campbell, DT Andre Fluellen, OL Alex Kupper, DE B.J. Larsen, CB Merrill Noel and WR Tobais Palmer. He also fell in the draft. I guess this is a reminder to not succumb to early season rankings/bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Haha. AZ, you're always throwin' chin music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I actually liked Merrill Noel at Wake. He had an amazing Freshman year. Maybe he plateaued, IDK. He is undersized for the NFL. That's more likely a reason why he was cut. I also really liked Tobias Palmer at State. His leg kick reminded of Santana Moss. He was more than just a special teams guy, which was electric ST, he also could run those Vert routes and track the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Can't find the 2014 draft thread. But there were a lot of people that liked Cyril Richardson. He also fell in the draft. I guess this is a reminder to not succumb to early season rankings/bias. Yes, I was one of them. I missed. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Great throw by Cook. GREAT. 8:50 mark of the 2nd quarter. Dropped in the endzone. But awesome touch, pinpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Yes, I was one of them. I missed. Okay. See you make it no fun Dukes. You're too nice. Half the fun of the draft thread is to ostracize people. I'm sure I've got plotters sharpening their daggers waiting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted September 5, 2015 Author Share Posted September 5, 2015 See you make it no fun Dukes. You're too nice. Half the fun of the draft thread is to ostracize people. I'm sure I've got plotters sharpening their daggers waiting for me. I just don't ever get the whole "oh man he busted, some of y'all were wrong" I mean I could go in every thread every year and call out people, but I worry about other things in my life than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Better man than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Conklin is alright. He's steady. Doesn't exactly bounce on his feet. Doesn't so much kickslide as he does sidestep. But, he gets the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I see the Beavers kid as a Guard, in Zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Cody Kessler is a stud. His size is going to cause him to tumble down the boards though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Cody Kessler is a stud. His size is going to cause him to tumble down the boards though. Which could make us a perfect landing spot, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I liked the previous discussion on true FS prospects. Damn I'd love to get our Earl Thomas. What an incredible difference that would make. Same with a beast ILB, if KRob doesn't pop, like I expect him to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I watched the Georgia Tech vs Alcorn State game. It's hard to take away a lot from a game where everything went right against a totally over-matched opponent and the starters sat for most of the game, but the second string A Back Patrick Skov looks like a future NFL player. Younger brother of Shayne Skov and a transfer from Stanford. Not much wiggle there, but good vision and decisiveness. He's an ox with good quickness between the tackles. I see him as a FB/HB hybrid and a natural fit in a power scheme. He looks like he is about as big as Matt Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I just don't ever get the whole "oh man he busted, some of y'all were wrong" I mean I could go in every thread every year and call out people, but I worry about other things in my life than that Yeah, if you're going to make projections, you're going to get them wrong. More often than you get them right too. Sooooooo many more players bust than succeed. I bet that for every five players that get drafted, only one actually makes a career out of playing in the NFL. So just being negative about the chances of every prospect means you'll end up being right far more often than you're wrong. Getting projections wrong is the superior learning experience anyway. I still view being wrong about Cam Newton in 2011 as a turning point for me. Basically taught me not to focus on off-field drama and the college system the players played in too much. The college system matters less than specific traits that are projectable, and the relevant off-field struggles to consider are unknowable to us. For example Ndamukong Suh gets a DUI in college but doesn't seem to have problems with substance abuse that have hampered his career. OTOH, Justin Blackmon gets a DUI and substance abuse destroyed his career. Let the scouts who actually get to talk to these players and their people worry about the off-field stuff. Hard enough for us just to identify what they can actually do on the field and what can translate to the next level. Plus a lot of players bust because of situations beyond our ability to project. Injuries and getting drafted by incompetent teams that can't support and develop them being two of the biggest. 2010-2012 were the three years where I was most active in these threads, and I got into pitched battles over prospects. But now that enough time has passed to actually start evaluating the careers of the players from those drafts, I don't even remember most of the arguments, much less who I was arguing with in any of those cases. I typically won't call other posters out when they get a projection wrong, but I'm not above tooting my horn when I ended up being right about a big debate or pegged the potential a lightly discussed sleeper. Kelechi Osemele in 2012 for example. Or correctly identifying the unbelievable potential of Kuechly and Watt. That Watt vs Cameron Jordan debate was epic and one of the most active debates of that draft thread and I remember being in the minority as the pro-Watt bandwagon driver. So that was one of my better moments. Just nevermind about Blaine Gabbert, Blackmon, Dre Kirkpatrick, Nick Fairley, Quinton Coples, etc. 2011 was the funnest thread. Most of the fan base was still holding out hope for Shanahan and taking the rosiest possible look at his awful drafts and trades and I was just killing him for it and pissing people off. And there were so many great X first round prospect vs Y prospect debates. Nick Fairley vs Marcell Dareus. Newton vs Gabbert. Watt vs Jordan. AJ Green vs Julio Jones. Adrian Clayborn vs Cameron Heyward. It also ended up being an incredibly good class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Speaking of Kelechi Osemele, how good is that Ravens offensive line now? Their interior linemen are incredible. Zuttah has been a revelation for them and, IMO, Osemele and Yanda are the best set of starting guards of any team. Ricky Wagner is a quality RT but not a super athlete. They got him with a 5th rounder and he panned out. In college he was your classic Big 10 offensive line jobber--tough, smart, always available, and consistent in both the pass and run. But not spectacular in any way. Eugene Monroe was a draft bust in Jacksonville. A rare athlete with smooth lateral agility and good potential as a pass protector. But very skinny in his lower half, lacking an anchor and functional strength, and thus inconsistent in both the run and pass. Point being, their tackles aren't really anything special. But that line is incredible, and I think it makes an interesting case that you can build a great OL from the inside out. Impact talent is impact talent when you're talking about building a unit that's supposed to perform as a whole, like an offensive or defensive line, or a secondary, or a line backer corps. If you can get a true impact player at any spot in those position groups, then I think it will make a huge difference for the performance of the whole group. In short, having one player that can always win his match-up or do the job of two is a huge boon at any spot. As such, it's a good case for not really caring whether Brandon Scherff plays guard or tackle if he ends up being an impact player. If he does, then the combination of having both him and Trent at any positions on the OL means we'll probably field a dominant line. And, because of what the Ravens's line looks like, I also don't view going after another high-end interior lineman as overkill. I still want to see how Arie Kuandjio and Spencer Long develop, but they wouldn't stop me from drafting a special guard prospect. Also, if we have the money, I wouldn't mind seeing us try to sign Alex Mack. But just to be clear, I'm not talking about specifically targeting an interior OL at any point in the draft. Always, always draft the BPA (except in the case of QBs and kicking specialists). I'm just saying that, if a guard was the BPA when we pick, I'd take him, and be excited about a potential upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Kicker I agree Steve, but our starting QB was a BPA selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number twenty-eight Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Great to have college football back. I'm tentatively hoping to hear Oakman's name next spring. He's just an awesome presence on the field and with the preponderance of sideways passing, its fun to imagine him swatting passes on the edge for us. I read Jeremy Johnson saying he runs a 4.58. Whatever his actual speed, it suggests that he's more athletic than he's seemed in his appearances thus far. He certainly has a pure stroke throwing the ball and seems a good bet to take the Heisman under Malzahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 If only Stanley would've come out this year. Or if we took Amari this year and Stanley next. Now we'll have to go secondary early and often next year. But u never know for sure what'll shake out. My watch list. Hargreaves,Fuller,Sutton,Canady-cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Note to SWFL ... there is a killa steak house on St. Pete Beach called "Chophouse 1200" ... they serve up a ribeye with a huge bone attached ... and they call it a "Tomahawk." No kidding! Were you there recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Kicker I agree Steve, but our starting QB was a BPA selection. I meant that BPA excludes QB in that, if you need a franchise QB, then you need to draft one even if he's not the BPA at the pick. QB transcends BPA consideration because you're picking your team's leader when you pick your QB. By the same token, if you already pick your QB, then don't pick another one in the same damn draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Lord, Hogan could have had at least two INTs on this series alone. Not impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Osemele and Yanda are the best set of starting guards of any team. Definitely agree there. Osemele has destroyed us, in particular, over the years. And you don't have to be a genius to see how well he controls the POA. He's exactly everything McC wants, big, strong, athletic, nasty and good. Ose is my top free agent target. We need to load up the line with as much talent as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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