Frunobulax Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 What the hell was HE doing, trying to confuse Dallas with a fake snap count?!?! This is pure idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 i have a feeling someone told him to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Another goat? How about fire EVERYONE but Vinny??? Man, don't let your darkside of your mind take control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunobulax Posted November 3, 2003 Author Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Duke Another goat? How about fire EVERYONE but Vinny??? Man, don't let your darkside of your mind take control. I'm just irritated that our players keep committing the stupidest of penalties and turning them into a score for the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelms Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Mike Stock said after the game that Pierce did NOT try to influence the snap count. Apparently, Pierce saw several Redskins players lined up off sides and was screaming "back up, back up". The incompetent officials interpreted that as influencing the snap count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 That was the most bizarre call I think I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 They should cut Trotter and start Pierce. Trotters laughing it up and helping Dallas players off the turf at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Keep Pierce. He is like Rock and Patrick Johnson. It seems like positive things (regardless of the stupid call) happen when they are on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by gridironmike Keep Pierce. He is like Rock and Patrick Johnson. It seems like positive things (regardless of the stupid call) happen when they are on the field. Usually, yes. But Rock had NO idea what he was doing when Dallas blitzed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by nelms Mike Stock said after the game that Pierce did NOT try to influence the snap count. Apparently, Pierce saw several Redskins players lined up off sides and was screaming "back up, back up". The incompetent officials interpreted that as influencing the snap count. That's not true during the replay you can clearly hear Pierce faking an offensive snap count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelms Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Mad Monkey That's not true during the replay you can clearly hear Pierce faking an offensive snap count I'm just relaying what Mike Stock said, as it was reported by the media. I didn't say it was the truth or a lie. If Stock is lying to protect a player, he should be fired. Btw, you must have bionic hearing. I didn't hear Pierce faking a snap count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 After the game Pierce admitting messing with the count. He also said he didn't know it was illegal. To me, that's what's known as bad coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 nelms Stocks job IS to protect his players. Pierce didnt learn this on his own, another player or coach must have taught it to him. Despite what stock says, Pierce was definetly imitating the snap count. Come on guys we cant get the same false start, holding and personal foul penalties EVERY week, we've got to mix it up and come up with new and innovative ways to be penalized--dont want the players to get bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by nelms I'm just relaying what Mike Stock said, as it was reported by the media. I didn't say it was the truth or a lie. If Stock is lying to protect a player, he should be fired. Btw, you must have bionic hearing. I didn't hear Pierce faking a snap count. Fox replayed the call and it is very clear. ... if you have the game taped you will see:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelms Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Henry After the game Pierce admitting messing with the count. He also said he didn't know it was illegal. To me, that's what's known as bad coaching. That's not what I read. Here's an excerpt from the Wash. Times: Pierce claims he was only trying to tell his teammates to "get back" and not jump offsides. "They said I said it three times, and I guess that was too many times," he said. "I've never heard of that rule before. I've never seen it called in the NFL before." Cornerback Champ Bailey was even harsher in his criticism. "I have no idea what the ref was thinking," Bailey said. "I'd be surprised if he's still reffing next week. It was a stupid call." Champ may get a fine from the NFL for that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I'm just tired of our players not just lining up and doing their job Just shut the eff up and execute get back to the huddle for the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RySkins Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I like Pierce and thought that to be an odd call. Why would he pull a stunt like that there? Say Dallas does false start...it is still a chipshot. Regan Upshaw should be the first guy cut. A player this unproductive can't commit a stupid penalty every game and be kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Kilmer17 They should cut Trotter and start Pierce. Trotters laughing it up and helping Dallas players off the turf at the end of the game. ever hear of good sportsmanship? you are just venting cuz' we lost ..do you remeber what happened in preseason when he went out......davis ran all over us............you are crazy for even saying that. as for the guy who said cut pierce you might as well not come back ...the guy made a mistake and you call for his head...the causes more fumbles than anyone on the defense when he gets in there but he's not ready yet....:puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunobulax Posted November 3, 2003 Author Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by KINGBRICE_28 as for the guy who said cut pierce you might as well not come back ...the guy made a mistake and you call for his head...the causes more fumbles than anyone on the defense when he gets in there but he's not ready yet....:puke: Okay -- so I should be banned because I voiced my opinion?! I joined here recently because this site looked like a good place for Redskins fans to talk about their favorite team and vent their frustrations. And believe me, I'm plenty frustrated. I like Pierce as a player, but he should have known that his actions would bring a penalty flag. The above is strictly my opinion, but if that's not allowed here, I'll leave. Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Replay audio clearly recorded Pierce saying "Hut" three times. Then TWO refs threw flags at the same time. Pierce's fault, unless he was coached to do so. But not a fireable offense. Just one more stupid act contributing to the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by nelms Mike Stock said after the game that Pierce did NOT try to influence the snap count. Apparently, Pierce saw several Redskins players lined up off sides and was screaming "back up, back up". "Hut" is German for "Back up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 "Hut" is German for "Back up." :laugh: Defensive players are ALWAYS trying to influence or mess with the snap count. It NEVER gets called unless you are playing the Boys IN Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I'd sit him down at least a couple of games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 In the 20-odd years I've been watching football I've never seen that call at any level. Never in college, never in the pros. It was a very odd call at a very key time, especially given that it was on a field goal try which generally doesn't have a true snap count anyway. I'm curious if anyone on here has ever seen that called before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurp Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Given the situation it was stupid, plain and simple. What was going to be accomplished by getting Dallas to jump offsides? The field goal was a chip shot at that distance and would still be a chip shot 5 yards back. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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