Commander -JB- Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Andy Lee was drafted by SF & he's been the best punter in football for a while now.. So IMO just because Brooks sucks it doesn't mean we shouldn't address Punter in 7th round.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I was contemplating the whole punter in the NFL and I started wondering if there are rules against a player (aside from designated punter) kicking the ball from behind the line of scrimmage. The whole punting routine seems boring and outdated, I also seem to remember Big Ben pulling off a pooch punt in the past. In my imagination I could see us lined up on a fourth down and RG scrambling to the right if, if no open targets he simply boots the ball. Is it legal? I want some creativity out of the team! No one likes watching the same boring drill with punters. I also remember Ocho Cinco kicking extra points at some time for the bengals. I wonder about saving a roster spot simply by having multi dimensional players not asked to do simply one thing. HTTR yes, it's legal. But why would you think a guy who isn't trained to punt would do it well? Joe Theisman punted once in his career. He got one yard on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well you catch the D off guard, extra yards from the ball rolling . And it seems like something you could practice, maybe griff wouldn't be the choice but as someone was talking about in the free agent thread bringing an Aussie rules guy who is used to kicking on the run. But that defeats the roster spot hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well you catch the D off guard, extra yards from the ball rolling . And it seems like something you could practice, maybe griff wouldn't be the choice but as someone was talking about in the free agent thread bringing an Aussie rules guy who is used to kicking on the run. But that defeats the roster spot hmmm. there's been plenty of Aussie rules guys in the NFL as punters. I don't believe they've ever done well kicking on the run. For one thing as quickly as NFL players can get past the line what makes you think they'd ever have a clear shot? WR on reverses, the fastest guys on the field a lot of the time, can get trapped behind the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 I agree. Just because Joe "Klutz" Theisman couldn't do it, doesn't mean somebody with good coordination would fail also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I was contemplating the whole punter in the NFL and I started wondering if there are rules against a player (aside from designated punter) kicking the ball from behind the line of scrimmage. The whole punting routine seems boring and outdated, I also seem to remember Big Ben pulling off a pooch punt in the past. In my imagination I could see us lined up on a fourth down and RG scrambling to the right if, if no open targets he simply boots the ball. Is it legal? I want some creativity out of the team! No one likes watching the same boring drill with punters. I also remember Ocho Cinco kicking extra points at some time for the bengals. I wonder about saving a roster spot simply by having multi dimensional players not asked to do simply one thing. HTTR That is pretty retro. RG3 did quick kick a few time at Baylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well how about this rather than actually trying to punt lets have a player target a defender who is across the line of scrimmage and kick the ball into him. Recover it and automatic first down I don't know that an Aussie rules kicker would get enough space. It's probably been shown over the test of time they won't. I'm simply tired of offenses "giving up the ball" I think it would be exciting if new things were tried rather than the same old kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well how about this rather than actually trying to punt lets have a player target a defender who is across the line of scrimmage and kick the ball into him. Recover it and automatic first down I don't know that an Aussie rules kicker would get enough space. It's probably been shown over the test of time they won't. I'm simply tired of offenses "giving up the ball" I think it would be exciting if new things were tried rather than the same old kick your new ideas sound like good ways to lose game to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well yeah they are just ideas after all, but putting our special teams on the field last year cost us plenty of games. All I want is some fireworks while I watch it burn. I'm reminded of the Jets lining Tebow up as a punt protector. Sure he didn't do anything there all year but it made people think they had an ace up their sleeve. Having a player capable of being a threat couldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Lets say as an example you line up in a "deep shotgun formation with Alfred and Helu as "protectors" instead of those players staying to block they run to the flats or even wheel routes. The rushing defenders will be forced to A. Stop rushing to cover these threats. Or B. continue rush and allow them to get open. With both defenders on the sideline occupied by the gunner I think it COULD possibly maybe work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Considering how our special teams magically became the worst in modern history the year right after Danny Smith left, I fail to see your point.. I'll explain it. You ever walk into the men's room and get hit in the nose by a sincerely foul stench? Do you ever blame your nose for it? The guy who left it is surely gone, and yet.. he has left a reminder that takes a while to clear out. Danny Smith sucked. He was absolutely terrible in his entire time here as special teams coach. Awful. An annual failure. And he left the cupboard so bare that the team actually got WORSE than having 6 kicks blocked in one year, like they did in 2012. (Consider that. 6 blocked kicks in one year, and we got worse.) There is no magic about it. It's the logical end to a special teams that had been so badly handled for 7 years that when we had a cap hit that meant we couldn't really upgrade it at all, it became one of the worst in history. If you look at the kicking / punting stats of our historically bad special teams you start to notice there's one team that is consistently right there near the bottom with us. Hint: Danny Smith now is their special teams coach. If all you eat is turds, you start to differentiate between the flavor. Enough with this turd. Flush his sorry ass, and move on. I have no idea why some fans are so enamored with failures. As to the OP, i think we've signed 2 punters now.. one back in January, and another one last week? NO ONE on our special teams should be comfortable with their job. If we have 16 guys who play special teams, we ought to bring in 47 new guys to compete with them. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well how about this rather than actually trying to punt lets have a player target a defender who is across the line of scrimmage and kick the ball into him. Recover it and automatic first down I don't know that an Aussie rules kicker would get enough space. It's probably been shown over the test of time they won't. I'm simply tired of offenses "giving up the ball" I think it would be exciting if new things were tried rather than the same old kick This is usually referred to as a "blocked kick" and it is a disaster 99.9% of the time.(we tried it 6 times in 2012.. it was never a good play.) there's an old phrase by Bud Grant, former coach of the Vikings. "You can practice all you want, prepare all you can, devise plays that seem foolproof, and all of it can be instanly rendered meaningless because the ball is an oval and you can't control which way it's going to bounce." ~Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's only blocked if contacted behind the LoS . I understand that wasn't really an option but kind of found it amusing. Kind of like throwing a basketball off an opponents foot to get a free inbound. ~Weis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 My man Bang lmaoooo I'm over here dying laughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Our special teams failures were a direct result of having less to spend. No depth, no quality on teams. We even had to let our captain walk. The coaching certainly didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Never forget our coach getting a too many men on the ice penalty. A new low. Time for the Capitals Kings game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Think we need both unfortunately. I like Kai on FG but his kickoffs stink...field position! needs to be better. Not sure he can improve much more, I think he is what he is. Sav is gone so...yeah punter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownRocks111 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 so let me get this straight........... you want our one-player-franchise to use his wobbly leg/knee/joint/cartiledge possibly in traffic with someone coming at his blind spot who is getting paid millions to knock this very man of ours on his backside just to save a roster spot? Nah, just use a 7th rounder on a young punter (cheap and will be with us a few years) with some skill. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 We do NOT need a new kicker. Suisham, Novak, Gano all young guys chased out of town, and plenty of fans were glad to see them go, now all want them back because they finished developing elsewhere. We have a talented kicker, let's let him develop. Bring some competition in each camp while he's young to push him, but that's it. His kickoffs did improve this year, and that really isn't a solid enough reason to move on from him. He never did it before the NFL, and this will be his 3rd season and again he's improved in that category and should improve further. Kicker's can always improve leg strength. Rocca is gone thankfully, so we do need a punter. Free agency market is dried up there so draft or UDFA it will be. Fortunately good ones can be found in those spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 so let me get this straight........... you want our one-player-franchise to use his wobbly leg/knee/joint/cartiledge possibly in traffic with someone coming at his blind spot who is getting paid millions to knock this very man of ours on his backside just to save a roster spot? Nah, just use a 7th rounder on a young punter (cheap and will be with us a few years) with some skill. End of story. Nope maybe we should put Cousins in there instead make him useful while Rob works his magic I was just kind of playing around with the idea that when fourth down comes around and the punting unit takes the field it makes me groan. I'm hoping for some surprises, unfortunately the only surprises I get are negative to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 All innovation in the NFL was either the result of a rule change, something that bubbled up from the lower levels or injury. The NFL is very static. The positions of kicker and punter (as regular roster spots) came about due to expansion of rosters and unlimited substitutions. Since Clark Shaugnessy implemented the T-form in the NFL, a tailback (QB of today) who also the primary punter has been a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 As far as our teams unit I'm glad to stick by Forbath (maybe we can get the rules committee to move up the kick spot lol!) but a punter who can take over and actually boot them out of the end zone on kickoffs would be nice. I don't know much of this Rogers fella we got maybe he can do just that? All innovation in the NFL was either the result of a rule change, something that bubbled up from the lower levels or injury. The NFL is very static. The positions of kicker and punter (as regular roster spots) came about due to expansion of rosters and unlimited substitutions. Since Clark Shaugnessy implemented the T-form in the NFL, a tailback (QB of today) who also the primary punter has been a rarity. This is why I made my posts, I feel there is serious room to improve the punt as a whole. When the defense is guessing they aren't attacking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Delving a little deeper with kicker and punter as positions on a roster who's to say you cannot have one player who does both? That frees up a spot on the roster. 53 men (46 dressing) really is not the same as it once was. Making room on the roster for specialists whether its returners, coverage on teams (lord knows we need that) or playmakers with specific skill sets, all I want is my team to strike fear in the opposition no matter which unit is in the field. I do hope our new ILB's bring back some fire to the ST unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I honestly don't care of we pay extra, even to bring new kickers in every year. I have no loyalty to a kicker, punter or LSer.just make it work. Its the dumbest nonscencicle part of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMacAttack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I honestly don't believe that a "long snapper" should take a roster spot. Just seems like the center could learn to put some extra muscle into a punt snap. Color me confused special teams seems redundant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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