Larry Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I didn't see did she say anything about carrying a child while brain dead in her wishes? 1). I certainly assume she didn't. Or we'd have read about it. 2). Do you think it would make a difference, if she had? I need a reason to end a life.....got one? I need a reason to put you in charge....got one? I mean, other than your assertion that any person who doesn't come to the decision you want, somehow becomes incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So why exactly doesnt the father want to allow the baby to come to term? I'm sure the mother would have wanted them to save the baby at any cost. Something is funny here. At the very least this illustrates how these 'no life support' "wills" need to take into account situations like pregnancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I didn't see did she say anything about carrying a child while brain dead in her wishes? she is a Texas resident.......implied consent or natural state,you choose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So why exactly doesnt the father want to allow the baby to come to term? I'm sure the mother would have wanted them to save the baby at any cost. Something is funny here. At the very least this illustrates how these 'no life support' "wills" need to take into account situations like pregnancy. Do they need to take into account every possible medical cause, too? I know it's kind of an analogy, but both of my parents, a decade ago, filled out power if attorney forms, granting me authority to take actions, on their behalf. When they filmed out the forms, the form had an array if like a dozen powers which they could grant. Both parents chose to sign the forms, and to initial every single power listed on the form. In theory, according to these forms, I have the power to sell their house. Every single federal agency has a policy of ignoring these forms. Because those are state forms, and the federal government is superior to state law. Instead, every single agency has their own, separate form, that only applies to that agency. Now, is it really my parents fault that they didn't contact every single agency in the federal government, and fill out a separate form for each agency? she is a Texas resident.......implied consent or natural state,you choose Are you seriously attempting to say that "if she didn't want to be a baby incubator, she should gave left the state"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I need a reason to put you in charge....got one? I mean, other than your assertion that any person who doesn't come to the decision you want, somehow becomes incompetent. And yet you doubt my liberal credentials Are you seriously attempting to say that "if she didn't want to be a baby incubator, she should gave left the state"? you didn't like my joke? she should also avoid all the other states with similar laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Do they need to take into account every possible medical cause, too? No, just exceptions where she might want to be kept alive (such as she's pregnant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasCowboyFan156 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 At the very least if the family is going to be forced to keep her on life support then the state should foot the bill for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm not aware of a mothers brain function being required for a fetuses health, the few cases of birth after life support show no issues. Whether the fetus was oxygen starved would matter. Bang a govt unconcerned with protecting life is in danger of forfeiting authority Whatever excuse for tyranny, i suppose. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It is cruel and unfair to save the childs life? kinda odd that we require medical professionals to do it everyday,but somehow this is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well, i guess when you put it that way... every child born in Texas is a potential exploitable worker. Carry on, religious crusader. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 religion is required to value life now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 every child born in Texas is a potential exploitable worker. ~Bang Geez, Bang, even we idjits know that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 religion is required to value life now? Yes. it absolutely is. And broccoli is required for space flight. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I can see both sides. Awful situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yes. it absolutely is. And broccoli is required for space flight. ~Bang cabbage to give me more boost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 What you fail to follow here is that erectile dysfunction drugs may be dangerous to ground water. Here at the clinic, we treat everyone's scalp problems, regardless of how they wear their pants, or even if they wear pants. the key issue here is candle wax, and whether or not it's raining. Your cookies are simply not dunkable, especially if all you have is orange juice. American patriot and decent tipper Paul Revere said it best back in 1931, when he exclaimed "Girl, I wanna show you how to boogaloo" on the opening day of the Napkin ring manufacturers convention in Atlantic city. If a fish needed wheels, they'd call him a bear. And really, it's that simple. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The woman's choice was to carry the child WHILE SHE WAS ALIVE. Her choice was also not to be kept alive artificially, if brain dead. From what I read she made no such determinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 From what I read she made no such determinations. She did not have a living will and/or written end of life directives. Both her husband and her mother have been said that when alive she stated that she never wanted to be on life support. However, none of that really matters in this particular case. In Texas, it doesn't matter what your living will, end of life directives, or family wants - you don't have a choice. If you are pregnant and you die and you are on life support it is illegal for a hospital to remove life support in any situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintHillSkinsFan Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Politics and religion aside, as a father, I can't fathom not wanting my baby to survive long enough to be born. And I also can't imagine rationalizing in my own brain that my wife wouldn't want her body kept alive long enough to deliver her baby. Just my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 it is not just in Texas,at least a dozen other states have similar laws and others have restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 From what I read she made no such determinations. Well, she was 14 weeks pregnant, and hadn't had an abortion YET. I think it's at least a reasonable assumption that she intended to carry the fetus to term. I certainly wouldn't take some unsupported assertion that maybe she would have had an abortion, next week. And the OP seems pretty clear that she felt very strongly against being a living vegetable. (Although it doesn't actually say that she said so IN WRITING. Which can be important.) Politics and religion aside, as a father, I can't fathom not wanting my baby to survive long enough to be born. And yet you have no problem twisting this situation, so that you can claim that's what somebody else wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Once life support is started,removing it is usually restricted to only if it is judged inhumane or futile.....by the Drs. It and resuscitation can even be administered to minors against the parents wishes by federal law.(CAPTA) Montalvo v. Borkovec was a interesting case of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is such a personal issue for a family, I just have a really hard time seeing people politicize this, particularly in the public forum. Having witnessed a life support decision disagreement play out between a girlfriend's husband and her parents, resulting in her being in a vegetative state for 4 years with her finally, mercifully passing away this summer, it's just something I pray I never have to deal with. And kind of shake my head at those who argue black and white/right and wrong in these cases... Very, very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I've dealt with it,and continue to....the choices we face suck at times(or lack thereof),but they must be made by someone. The husband wants a dialogue about it in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Another WEIRD thread on this board. I am typically pro choice but this is a little out of the ordinary and needs a little more attention than the standard lefty righty arguments. Not sure how you could make this a black.white issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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