TradeTheBeal! Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Time to talk about it. Mods, this is not intended to be a call-out, knee jerk thread. Hear me out. Nobody is gonna get fired during the season. But, the Denver game is a stark reminder...Seattle... of what we think we know. We are not close to being a SB caliber team. We could be 2-5 next year or we can start thinking about our next move right now. The hard facts: 23L-32W. Splashing 1st and 2nd round picks for QBs since day one. Grossman and knee braces. Lousy special teams for four years. Extra lousy, in fact. Probably worst in the league, for all 4 years, and I'm not gonna look it up. Except for a hot stretch...6-0... late last year, Shanny is indefensible. An utter failure. The good news: Shanny has been sweet with the draft and the cap. He took a dead roster and flipped it, nicely. A ton of young, cheap talent. On both sides of the ball... Griffin Kerrigan Morris Orakpo Williams and more. And the lifting of the cap penalty. We are an attractive destination. We will have our choice of coaching prospects this offseason. Or maybe we'll just go for one more year with what we got. Yeeesh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Been done with this regime man. We have cap space this season and a chance to get RGIII a new coaching staff early in his career. We are very attractive...but mostly because of him (and even that...may be in doubt come December). The Shanahan's have been a failure. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Still think the most likely course of action is for Snyder to give Shanny a token one-year extension, like the Giants have done with Coughlin a few times, so that he's not a lame-duck in 2014. Then next season Mike needs to put up or shut up......winning record minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If Snyder does decide to part ways with Mike then I hope they go with a young coordinator and not a retread. We also need a guy who will run a similar offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The Post-Shanahan Era... Can't come soon enough. We're the broncos post-Elway. They fired him for what he did. INB4 you need 5 years to make a winning team, let's see what Shanny does without a cap penalty, we need to be patient, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlton Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shanahan deserves at least one more year. Let's face it. The Skins are STILL paying penance for the debacle that Cerrato/Snyder left him. The cap penalty makes a huge difference in the caliber of players you are able to put on the roster, and we are seeing its effects played out on the field. Next year Shanahan will truly have a clean slate to work with. Only then should he be judged by what he puts out onto the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shanahan deserves at least one more year. Let's face it. The Skins are STILL paying penance for the debacle that Cerrato/Snyder left him. The cap penalty makes a huge difference in the caliber of players you are able to put on the roster, and we are seeing its effects played out on the field. Next year Shanahan will truly have a clean slate to work with. Only then should he be judged by what he puts out onto the field. *stares in disbelief* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Been done with this regime man. We have cap space this season and a chance to get RGIII a new coaching staff early in his career. We are very attractive...but mostly because of him (and even that...may be in doubt come December). The Shanahan's have been a failure. 100%. Those are good points. I do think we need to make sure that the people spending the money this off-season are the ones who will be staying for a while. The worst thing we can do is let Shanahan stock the roster and then part ways with him the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shanahan deserves at least one more year. Let's face it. The Skins are STILL paying penance for the debacle that Cerrato/Snyder left him. The cap penalty makes a huge difference in the caliber of players you are able to put on the roster, and we are seeing its effects played out on the field. Next year Shanahan will truly have a clean slate to work with. Only then should he be judged by what he puts out onto the field. Let me get this straight. You wanna wipe the slate? And give Shanny a 1-year audition...for an extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respectgibbs Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Can't come soon enough. We're the broncos post-Elway. They fired him for what he did. INB4 you need 5 years to make a winning team, let's see what Shanny does without a cap penalty, we need to be patient, etc. We're way worse than the Broncos post-Elway. Hell, they made the playoffs a bunch of times after Elway. We're more like the Zorn or Spurrier Skins. Record-wise, at least. But the fact is, Shanny needs another year. RG3 needs a full year removed from ACL, and we need that cap space back to get maybe another WR and some DB help. If it doesn't come together next year, I agree he should probably go. I'm afraid though that Danny is reluctant to give another young unproven guy a shot after the Zorn debacle. Pretty sure he even said once that he needed to feel comfortable with experience in that position (Like Gibbs, Shanny). So who would he ever take a chance on, or would he hire a retread like a Lovie Smith or someone like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Those are good points. I do think we need to make sure that the people spending the money this off-season are the ones who will be staying for a while. The worst thing we can do is let Shanahan stock the roster and then part ways with him the following year. Exactly. That would probably ensure another 2-3 years of futility. This offseason is really huge for the RGIII era. Probably make or break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 But but but ..... What about the cap penalty? It's ALL the cap penalty man. He deserves a chance to work on a level playing field. At least I think that's how it goes. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Real qucik mboyd... Orakpo is not under contract for next year, so cross him off the proverbial "cheap" list. But but but ..... What about the cap penalty? It's ALL the cap penalty man. He deserves a chance to work on a level playing field. At least I think that's how it goes. Hail. You forgot Orakpo was held/double teamed and DeAngelo Hall can't cover a double move. That about covers it though. Oh, one last thing Mboyd... 2010 Chargers were the worst special teams in the history of the NFL. We were close to them before this game. Like 2nd worst of all time close. Other than that I'm not sure. But we've been bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 But but but ..... What about the cap penalty? It's ALL the cap penalty man. He deserves a chance to work on a level playing field. At least I think that's how it goes. Hail. my personal favorite was the "but Shanahan inherited the WORST ROSTER OF ALL TIME" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 On the plus side Thomas and Minnifield will be fresh and unaffected for the new staff next year. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I cannot...shaking my head.....people still want to see a year 5.....c'mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 On the plus side Thomas and Minnifield will be fresh and unaffected for the new staff next year. Hail. I'm actually somewhat happy with the personnel. He has no idea how to manage it, but I thank him kindly for a lot of the players that are on this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 And can we have a coach that can go a year without having a passive-aggressive feud with a player on the team? Every ****ing year he gets into little wars with a key player on the team. Now, it's him vs RGIII...or..he and kyle vs RGIII...or He vs Kyle vs RGIII is a triple threat Taipei Death match. Can he ever just get on the same page with his own team? It's ****ing stupid and embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 my personal favorite was the "but Shanahan inherited the WORST ROSTER OF ALL TIME" Not calling you out but don't you think the 2009 squad was pretty bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Real qucik mboyd... Orakpo is not under contract for next year, so cross him off the proverbial "cheap" list. You forgot Orakpo was held/double teamed and DeAngelo Hall can't cover a double move. That about covers it though. Oh, one last thing Mboyd... 2010 Chargers were the worst special teams in the history of the NFL. We were close to them before this game. Like 2nd worst of all time close. Other than that I'm not sure. But we've been bad. Good lookin out. Orakpo, no longer cheap. Special Teams, just less than worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Not calling you out but don't you think the 2009 squad was pretty bad? Oh it was **** but I've seen ppl say it was that much worse than other ****ty teams that have rebuilt more quickly. It's not like they were 0-16 and getting busted by 50 every week either. But that really has no bearing on why I want his ass fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Not calling you out but don't you think the 2009 squad was pretty bad. There's 'bad.' And there's OTT homer hypoberly that turns 'bad' into 'WORST OF ALL TIME!' I think that was Braves point. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Watching our defense make the plays they did today, I'm more convinced than ever that we could compete with the right coaching staff. We have massive holes in the secondary and O-line, as well as a few holes to fill (Moss, Morgan, Fletcher, Carriker), but it's the coaching staff that really needs cleaning out. I've been apathetic to starting over next season, but after this game, I'm done. Make it happen, Danny Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Not calling you out but don't you think the 2009 squad was pretty bad? I still remember a thread made by someone likely trolling right before 2010 entitled "Will 6-10 disappoint you?" I didn't hear a lot of the "oh, we're inheriting a bad team sentiment" in response. Instead, it was "Mike Shanahan and Donny McNabb....6-10? Pshhhhhh......" And the next season we went 5-11. Whether he inherited a bad roster or not, I think it was fair to expect more than 11-21 the first two seasons. Give Shanny credit for last year's turnaround, and acknowledge the cap difficulty, but he owns those first two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Oh it was **** but I've seen ppl say it was that much worse than other ****ty teams that have rebuilt more quickly. It's not like they were 0-16 and getting busted by 50 every week either. But that really has no bearing on why I want his ass fired Also, Reid took over a 2-win team and is 8-0. I'm not sure inheriting a bad roster is a viable excuse for a fourth-year coach in the modern NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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