Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 i was hoping he'd be mentioned. i didn't want to be the first because i say it in every hip hop thread i post in....but he is my favorite lyricist. I love The Roots, but I don't feel like Black Thought is a great lyricist. I even will give him that the meaning behind a lot of his lyrics are often inspiring, but I guess I just don't think he has a great flow or rhyme. But, love me some Roots, probably my favorite hip hop group. As far as lyricists, I'd say Tupac is my favorite, with Biggie a very close second. I know its somewhat cliche, but I really think they are the two best of all time. I love Talib Kweli's lyrics as well. Eminem is way up there for me also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Nah, yal are missing my point. Kanye and Em (and probably Wayne) are still even the old generation. What's Kanye 2001? I think Em is like 2000? And I know Wayne is Cash Money times, but when was Carter 1, which is when I felt like he established himself. I probably shoudn't have named him, but I really don't know anybody from today. What about Lupe, Drake, Wale, J. Cole, Jean Grae, Jay Electronica, etc. I'd like to see Wale become one of the best. But right now of those listed, I guess Lupe. I dunno, I pretty much gave up on hip-hip a year or 2 ago. Just not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Meh, I liked everything from Lupe up until Lasers. Felt like something was missing. Lupe even said he didn't want to make Lasers, b/c they the record label forced him to make it "mainstream". Food & Liquor 2, it going to be amazing b/c he switched labels. Have you heard his new single yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I love The Roots, but I don't feel like Black Thought is a great lyricist. I even will give him that the meaning behind a lot of his lyrics are often inspiring, but I guess I just don't think he has a great flow or rhyme. But, love me some Roots, probably my favorite hip hop group. I love the Roots band more than Black Thought. He just never did it for me as a lyricist, but maybe its because I never can listen to the lyrics on their songs because the band is so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Tupac Shakur is the biggest example of "the cult of personality" I have ever seen. Ppl are in love with HIM, not his music. He was a polarizing figure AND he died young. His music was good but he is overrated in the same vein as Elvis. I like you man, but you're crazy. 2pac was as talented a musician as any hip hop artist we've seen. The guy was a true poet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Lupe even said he didn't want to make Lasers, b/c they the record label forced him to make it "mainstream". Food & Liquor 2, it going to be amazing b/c he switched labels. Have you heard his new single yet? The one he stole from Pete Rock? That was crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I love The Roots, but I don't feel like Black Thought is a great lyricist. . How long have you been following the Roots? Have you listened to "Do You Want More?" , "illadelph Halflife", and "Things Fall Apart" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I love the Roots band more than Black Thought. He just never did it for me as a lyricist, but maybe its because I never can listen to the lyrics on their songs because the band is so good. Basically how I feel.... never thought about it, but you're right. Maybe ?uestlove just overshadows him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The one he stole from Pete Rock? That was crap. Not only was it crap, but he didn't consult with Pete Rock when he considered sampling from him.. He was really upset over that. ---------- Post added May-30th-2012 at 08:41 AM ---------- I love the Roots band more than Black Thought. He just never did it for me as a lyricist, but maybe its because I never can listen to the lyrics on their songs because the band is so good. Black Thought has evolved as an MC.... Listen to his work prior to 2002... He's still nice now, but before 2002 he was the nastiest son of a gun to touch a mic.. Black Thought is rediculous lyrically!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 How long have you been following the Roots? Have you listened to "Do You Want More?" , "illadelph Halflife", and "Things Fall Apart" ? BT is a top 5 emcee in history. No questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 BT is a top 5 emcee in history. No questions asked. He's #1 on my list.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 By the way, Big Pun put out one of the greatest lyrical albums of all time. Damn shame he didn't stick around. RIP. ---------- Post added May-30th-2012 at 09:45 AM ---------- How long have you been following the Roots? Have you listened to "Do You Want More?" , "illadelph Halflife", and "Things Fall Apart" ? Yes, I've followed them a long time, since all of those. Things Fall Apart changed my musical preferences, so to speak. A true masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 By the way, Big Pun put out one of the greatest lyrical albums of all time. Damn shame he didn't stick around. RIP. No disrespect to Pac and BIG, but Big Pun and Big L's deaths probably were more devestating to "ME" from a pure hiphop stand point than anyone else.. They left many hiphop fans still wanting more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 IN regards to the Lupe/Pete Rock beef, check this out. http://rapfix.mtv.com/2012/05/24/lupe-fiasco-angry-pete-rock-troy-sample-diss/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I love The Roots, but I don't feel like Black Thought is a great lyricist. I even will give him that the meaning behind a lot of his lyrics are often inspiring, but I guess I just don't think he has a great flow or rhyme. you just contradicted yourself. i said he's a great lyricist, and you say he's not but praise his lyrics and dis his flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 you just contradicted yourself. i said he's a great lyricist, and you say he's not but praise his lyrics and dis his flow. Ooooh... got me. Actually, no. What I was saying was that I will give you that SOME of his lyrics are inspiring. But I would not call him a great lyricist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Ooooh... got me. Actually, no. What I was saying was that I will give you that SOME of his lyrics are inspiring. But I would not call him a great lyricist. lol come on man. I undersatdn not liking him, but to say he's not a great lyricist is just.....just....idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 lol come on man. I undersatdn not liking him, but to say he's not a great lyricist is just.....just....idiotic. I LOVE him. I don't know how else to say this. The Roots are probably my favorite group of all time. I think without Black Thought the Roots aren't the same. I just don't hold Black Thought up there with the greatest of all time. I see him more as a MUSICAL genius than a LYRICAL genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Ooooh... got me. Actually, no. What I was saying was that I will give you that SOME of his lyrics are inspiring. But I would not call him a great lyricist. oooh, got me....lol. "Why (What's Going On?)" WHY?? [6 x's] Sky's the limit so you know I'm gonna rise and shine I gotta do my thing, I'm kinda getting a little tired of all that's hidden That's the reason I'm a speak my mind, keep from going insane Now work with it, we in the last innin' The world keeps spinnin', my peoples steady losin' while the rich keep winnin' It's like we neva smilin' and the devil steady grinnin' killin' what we representin' Even our children and women, 2K4, livin' above and under the law Young teen joins the marines, says he'll die for the core Inducted up into the goverment's war as if the land of money and oil Funny how ain't none of it yours I can't sleep yo I'm paranoid, it's code orange It's far from right, I guess that's why it feels so wrong To see the world get stripped out of every resource And people pray to Coca-Cola now instead of the gods What's goin' on? WHY?? [6 x's] Keepin' your head above water, hustlin' to survive Some people chasin' a dream, others just chasin' a high Some people blind leading the blind, they chasin' a lie Some people chokin' backs broken barely makin' it by But still they workin' all they live, they pushin' for the light Givin' everything they got to stitch them swishes on ya Nike's Puttin' pockets on our jeans, mining diamonds for them rings Rewarded with small change and bullets in the brains And it makes me feel strange everything we take for granted At times I feel stranded on this planet of mine Now should I pull the hammer, clap it out, and laugh about it Or stand up, be counted while I cast my ballot When the undertaker's busy and the prison's is crowded People livin' in fear because they vision is clouded But the sky's the limit, I ain't cryin' you a river Gotta move me a mountain, I'm a git up and shout it WHY?? [6 x's] When I dream it's hounds on my heels gainin' momentum I'm tired, can't get uninspired or quit runnin' I can feel they only inches behind, I escape, I survive Some how I gotta decide how much I want it Or is anybody listenin' without a pot to piss in If I disappear I wonder if the world will know I'm missin' Who my support system, it's not the court system Gotta letter it said that you're not avoiding prison People 'neath the microscope 'cause we defining the culture They smile and insult you like you shinin' their loafers Them old heads say we need a modern day Moses When the leaders is posers we needing some soldiers It's the X generation, The anger is a nature Got the writing on the wall so clear that I can taste it Like a kid sniffing glue somewhere trying to escape Cause we vulnerable and naked Gotta show 'em we can make it WHY?? this is one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 This thread is about Jay-Z and Nas right ? Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 This thread is about Jay-Z and Nas right ? Geez. yes. and threads take unexpected turns sometimes. sorry if i helped hijack this highly intellectual thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 No need to apologize. It is simply way off topic repeatedly. And just to throw this out there. The "intellectual" topics go the same route pretty often also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 OK, I'm listening to Clock with No Hands Now (first time hearing it) and he (Black Thought) does represent himself well here. ---------- Post added May-30th-2012 at 10:14 AM ---------- OK, I'm listening to Clock with No Hands Now (first time hearing it) and he (Black Thought) does represent himself well here. Yo, that song is deep!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Major, that is one of BT's better songs. Hard to pick just one to represent him. His body of lyrical work is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amm0409 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Iv been stomped with this one for awhile. They have different styles and I like them both, but I think Im leaning towards Jay-Z because of all the different collaborations and he has more number one albums. But Nas has done so much as well, and it almost seems forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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