skinfan2k Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I got unleaded for 3.69 at costco! that membership is so worth and then 2% cash back on all purchases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well, in this DC area station it is already $5. http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/f772b5b1f31e2af83d29d52d228dd553/Gas-prices-continue-to-rise-in-Washington/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I feel greener already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well I live about 3 miles from work, I am seriously thinking about buying a bike to ride to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well I live about 3 miles from work, I am seriously thinking about buying a bike to ride to work. http://www.e-bikekit.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_electric_car_fees "Electric vehicles put just as much wear and tear on our roads as gas vehicles," said Democratic state Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen, the bill's lead sponsor. "This simply ensures that they contribute their fair share to the upkeep of our roads." Other states are trying to find solutions to the same problem, as cars become more fuel-efficient and, now, don't use any gas at all. In Oregon, lawmakers are considering a bill to charge drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles based on the number of miles they drive. In Mississippi, lawmakers briefly considered a similar plan. In Texas, significant opposition scuttled an electric vehicle fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 i would like to see comparisons between the fuel used to power gasoline/diesel engines and the fuel used to power the grid (which is then in turn used to power electric cars). i believe a lot of the northeast gets power from niagra falls, but people seem to forget that the electricity for cars has to be produced somewhere. is it just large diesel generators in addition to hydroelectric power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 i would like to see comparisons between the fuel used to power gasoline/diesel engines and the fuel used to power the grid (which is then in turn used to power electric cars). i believe a lot of the northeast gets power from niagra falls, but people seem to forget that the electricity for cars has to be produced somewhere. is it just large diesel generators in addition to hydroelectric power? I believe that most of the power supplied to the country is from coal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 From memory the NE gets most electricity from coal http://www.niagarafrontier.com/power.html#Facts The Niagara generating stations supply one quarter of all power used in New York State and Ontario. http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/research/where-our-electricity-comes-from/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 i had no idea coal was still used that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 why is gasoline so expensive, when oil is so far off its record price? The answer is that the price of oil Americans see every day has little to do with the price of gasoline at the pump. Those prices are for a particular type of oil -- West Texas Intermediate -- that's stored in Cushing, Okla. Thanks to increasing supplies from the Rocky Mountain states and Canada's oil sands, plus a lack of pipelines to move that oil out, there's currently a big glut of oil in Cushing. That's pushing the price of West Texas crude down. Prices for most other types of oil, which make up the vast majority of oil that refiners use in U.S. gasoline, are much higher than West Texas Intermediate. London's Brent crude, for example, was closer to $124 a barrel on Wednesday. "It's really a broken benchmark," Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service, said of the West Texas price. http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/21/markets/oil_gas_prices/index.htm?iid=EAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 We are in the process of putting in more pipelines to reduce the logjam(which could have been avoided by expanding refining up there) of course that will increase the cost of gasoline for the Mid-West to nearer our levels and may reduce others costs Better hope the refining down here stays online though(as usual) see if you can guess where I live http://www.willisms.com/archives/2005/09/trivia_tidbit_o_177.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 It does not matter when speculation keeps driving up prices, it is time to end the commodities market as it was just set up to prevent suppliers from getting paid supply and demand prices at the time of sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 my problem is that the driving I am doing is pretty much the same no matter what the price is. Work, Gym, Grocery Store and Kickball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 It does not matter when speculation keeps driving up prices, it is time to end the commodities market as it was just set up to prevent suppliers from getting paid supply and demand prices at the time of sale I see Indiana Jones and the Legend of the Evil Speculators is re-running on cable again. The white line is the dollar. The green/red line is the price of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 The price of dollar has nothing to do with it. Price of oil from the oil sands in Canada should not be affected by a war in Libya where they are producing sweet crude that is used in diesel but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 The price of dollar has nothing to do with it. Well, gosh, at least you backed up this incredibly bold (not to mention absurd) claim with some evidence. Price of oil from the oil sands in Canada should not be affected by a war in Libya where they are producing sweet crude that is used in diesel but it is. True, nothing else could possibly be pushing up the price of oil from Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Ah ...it's the Canadians fault....INVADE might as well put your chart away Hubbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 You are not paying the price of what is costing to get oil out of the sands of from West Texas or from the wells in the east and west coast of Canada. The most exspensive of all those is from the oil sand in Alberta and right now is not costing any where near the going price for oil. ---------- Post added April-24th-2011 at 06:10 PM ---------- Ah ...it's the Canadians fault....INVADE might as well put your chart away Hubbs Well they have a labour shortage right now in Alberta right now working in the oil fields and other related fields. The wages are good I was sort of seeing a girl up there when I lived in Alberta and she was making 100,000 studying sand samples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 You are not paying the price of what is costing to get oil out of the sands of from West Texas or from the wells in the east and west coast of Canada.The most exspensive of all those is from the oil sand in Alberta and right now is not costing any where near the going price for oil. When I buy corn, I don't pay what it cost to grow a stalk, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 No the cost of harvesting storing and the cost of retailing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Here we go, from Legend of the Evil Speculators Thread #2.... SPECULATORS have bought 15 per cent of the world's supplies of agricultural products such as sugar, wheat and cocoa, which has driven up food inflation, a new report has shown.Hedge funds and other financial institutions have ploughed a record £76 billion into basic food stuffs, more than double the level three years ago, Barclays Capital said. The price of food has soared to levels not seen since 2008, when food riots swept the developing world. http://business.scotsman.com/fooddrinkagriculture/Speculators-driving-up-food-inflation.6757281.jp And you see stories like this around the globe There are a number of interesting things that DR seems to be implying here, but I find the most interesting one to be the notion that if speculators are involved, all other factors can be dismissed. (See: Claiming that the value of the dollar has nothing to do with the price of oil.) ---------- Post added April-24th-2011 at 07:30 PM ---------- No the cost of harvesting storing and the cost of retailing it. Really? The costs of harvesting, storing, and retailing corn have all doubled in a year? You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Yes, ignoring why speculators are flocking to commodities gives a incomplete picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 If I start about buying large amounts of the world's oil up is that not going to drive prices up much faster? Dollar value and population growth will contibute but at a much slower rate. Of course if we got into how climate change is also affecting crops well that just be part of the whole conspiracy that right talk about as complete bunk and thus no need to do anything about carbon emmissions ---------- Post added April-24th-2011 at 07:43 PM ---------- Yes, ignoring why speculators are flocking to commodities gives a incomplete picture The chance to make more money off of basic human needs funny how a market set up to protect farmers from what happens when supply is larger than demand is now hurting consumer by creating a specualtion of what future demand may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 It wasn't set up just to help farmers Obama is having the role of speculators investigated....No worries even Palin could tell ya what was coming:silly: http://www.nysun.com/editorials/sarah-palin-for-the-fed/87317/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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