bcl05 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Once in a great while, at least this idiot admits when he's wrong. - from this weeks MMQB --------------------- Coach of the Week Washington head coach Steve Spurrier, for his play-calling in the Redskins' 16-13 win last Thursday night over the Jets. Now, I was pretty rough at times last year on the ol' Ball Coach, but rightfully so, I thought. He kept trying to make a passing team out of a bunch of Shane Matthewses and Darnerian McCantses, when he had solid rushers Stephen Davis and Ladell Betts in-house. On Thursday, time and again, he pounded Betts at the Jets. And instead of trying to throw downfield twice a series, as he often did last year, he used Patrick Ramsey judiciously. Everyone knows Ramsey has to be managed to be effective, and Spurrier used the short-passing game to perfection in the first half when Ramsey went 12 of 13. The offense wasn't successful all the time; in fact, the Jets held Washington down pretty consistently in the second half until the last drive, leading to John Hall's winning field goal. "It's like Steve said after the game," Redskins director of player personnel Vinny Cerrato told me over the weekend. "He's learned how to win in this league now." --------------------- 4. I think my preseason predictions are off to a fine start. I said the Rams would win the Super Bowl, and they fumbled six times and ran for 40 yards and, well, you know the rest. They lost to the Giants. I predicted Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer would be MVP. He threw three picks in a win over the Cincinnati Kittycats. Raiders TE Teyo Johnson, my co-rookie of the year? Catchless. - Kind of like DW throwing for 3500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 ...Everyone knows Ramsey has to be managed to be effective, ... What a friggin' arsehole!!!! Talk about your LOW back-handed compliments. :hammer: :censored: :bsflag: :whippin: Yo Petey, go back to your homeworld of Blimbolonia!!!! :finger: :finger: :finger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by bcl05 Once in a great while, at least this idiot admits when he's wrong. - from this weeks MMQB --------------------- --------------------- 4. I think my preseason predictions are off to a fine start. I said the Rams would win the Super Bowl, and they fumbled six times and ran for 40 yards and, well, you know the rest. They lost to the Giants. I predicted Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer would be MVP. He threw three picks in a win over the Cincinnati Kittycats. Raiders TE Teyo Johnson, my co-rookie of the year? Catchless. - Kind of like DW throwing for 3500? Just like I said, what makes them any more of an expert than you or I. They may have an inroads to making a phone call to an exec for some inside info, but that doesn't make them experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 So now suddenly King thinks Betts is a "solid-rusher" when just a week ago, he couldn't stop yapping about the Skins poor backfield. Do some freaking homework next time Fat-boy and maybe you won't end up with all that crow on your face. Oh and btw, nice picks with the Rams and Plummer... and this guy is considered to be an NFL expert! What is wrong with the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Ramsey does need managing. As good as I think he can be, he still is at the point on his learning curve that the coaching staff needs to help him by keeping him out of losing situations as much as possible, such as second/third-and-long for example. I'm working with the assumption that this is what King meant. But if he meant that that's all Ramsey will ever be is another Trent Dilfer-esque "game manager", then I have to disagree based upon what I've seen, although the jury of course remains out. Again, I don't expect any more from King, so I don't get all that upset by his crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 The Da Mac smack was stupid when you consider he is the one who caught our only Touchdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Well, I don't know if Ramsey will always have to be managed, but he sure did Thrusday night. It was great to see Spurrier realize Ramsey had cooled off and adjust accordingly instead of insisting his system would work if he would just stick with it (*cough*MikeMartz*cough*). Let's all not forget last year against the Eagles. I don't ever want to see that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Apparently Milloy ripped King a new one yesterday: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/peter_king/09/08/mmqb/index.html In some ways, I feel sorry for Milloy. He's furious with me for reporting the tampering story, and I can't repeat what he said to me in a hallway outside the Bills' locker room after Sunday's game against his former club. Suffice it to say he was fairly strident in telling me never to approach him again as long as I dwell on the planet earth, with quite a bit of emphasis. But I think it's a shame he won't be considered a New England icon when he retires, as he should be. That fact is Anderson's biggest regret about the deal. Milloy was setting himself up, through his foundation and through his many charitable works in the area, to be a big man in New England, a champion forever, long after he hung up his uniform. Now, as I told him when we spoke on Friday, he's destined to be regarded -- for right or wrong -- as just another guy who left town for the money, like Roger Clemens did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I agree with Redman and Henry (and I guess King) about Ramsey. He's a good talent and he's played well at times. But this guy isn't going to just play great all of a sudden. He does need to be managed and that's OK at this point in his career. I don't even think it's a knock. He's a second-year QB playing for a QB coach....manage him up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Don't forget Ramsey is still half a rookie. And a good running game is the young QB's best friend. As much as I luv the kid, you can't put the game on his shoulders yet and expect him to win it singlehandledly. So yes he does have to be "managed" -- for now. No substitute for time in the saddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 do you know any qb in the NFL that is not being 'managed' ? even Brett Favre has been roped in by Mike Sherman to some degree. there is too much at stake now with the short leashes that coaches get to win, to allow players to go on the field and make things up as they go along. well, okay, maybe outside of Atlanta where it is clear that Vick IS the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by Posse81 Apparently Milloy ripped King a new one yesterday: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/peter_king/09/08/mmqb/index.html Milloy was setting himself up, through his foundation and through his many charitable works in the area, to be a big man in New England, a champion forever, long after he hung up his uniform. Now, as I told him when we spoke on Friday, he's destined to be regarded -- for right or wrong -- as just another guy who left town for the money, like Roger Clemens did. Umm...wasn't Milloy cut? It's not like he left town as a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 King is such a pompus,I know it all, a-wipe. Almost everything he writes comes off as condensending elitest tripe. He's frequently wrong basic factual info and just way out there in specualtion. Man will he just get out of the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 All of the faux-experts were driving me nuts. King wasn't the only one dissing Spurrier's play calling, and saying he passed too much. Of course, they do little to no research, and completely failed to analyze SOS's play-calling as it evolved throughout the season. For example. in the last three games of 2002, the run-pass ratio was as follows: 30 rushes, 28 passes. 46 rushes, 31 passes. 37 runs, 31 passes. And now they act surprised at last Thursday's ratio, claim some type of credit for knowing that to be successful, Spurrier needs to run the ball, as if SOS was watching ESPN and had an epiphany when he was listening to Salisbury or Schlereth or Hoge. Give me a break. He'll run when he needs to, and pass when he needs to. He flipped out a little bit in the mid-season game (Jacksonville, heh) but in general, these people fail to realize just how much less intelligent and capable of crafting a game plan and managing the game that they are than the OBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J33Edwards Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by Larry Brown #43 Umm...wasn't Milloy cut? It's not like he left town as a free agent. i think king puts it that way because he was cut after refusing to reduce his salary...but yeah its definitely not the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I hope Milloy spit in his fat face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Peter King needs to be managed to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 ...Everyone knows Ramsey has to be managed to be effective, ...What the f is this supposed to mean? How did he 'manage' to up-end a DT and throw a 50 yard pass? How did he 'manage' to scramble for 24 yards in a clutch drive? Clearly, he must have been 'managed' and restrained by sonmone for this to have happened. I want this guy's address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I wonder if SI asked King to cut his salary in half due to his wrong predictions and half baked assumptions would he not leave to go to Espn or somewhere else? Atleast Milloy earned the Dollars, King hasn't EARNED Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by Dirk Diggler Peter King needs to be managed to be effective. :laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Does "managing" Ramsey involve him making 24 yard runs he's never made in his entire football career? Ramsey needs to keep using his courage and smarts to make big plays which has nothing to do with being managed. Does Michael Vick need to be "managed"? Does Brett Favre need to be managed? Does Jeff George need to be managed?... (well, maybe Jeff George ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Peter King needs to be managed to be effective. Heh. Everybody knows that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Spurrier's too hands off, but he's criticized when he "manages" his QB protege. Spurrier's is too pass oriented, but he remains too pass oriented despite running more at the end of last year, throughout the preseason, and in Game 1 (with a winning record through those games). These guys write in circles. Too bad their inconsistencies can't be publicized to the degree their asinine comments are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Suck a dick King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Originally posted by speedwagon20 I agree with Redman and Henry (and I guess King) about Ramsey. He's a good talent and he's played well at times. But this guy isn't going to just play great all of a sudden. He does need to be managed and that's OK at this point in his career. I don't even think it's a knock. He's a second-year QB playing for a QB coach....manage him up!! I think that's the problem a lot of us have with the pundits. Of course, PR will not play great all of the sudden and all of the time, but almost all of the "experts" acted like PR could NEVER play great even some of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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