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I did not write that, btw. boysetsfire accidentally posted from my account. Suarez is a dick though.

True! But I am tired of Evra being portrayed as a victim. What would you rather: 1. be called black 2. be called a dirty South American 3. have someone reference your mother's private parts?

Plus, what's more childish: refusing to shake hands or celebrating like you won the world cup and going out of your way to do it in front of the Liverpool team while they are leaving the field?

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Just back in the house from a ****** early part of the day in Stretford (I'm in a pissy mood so I'm starting by loving the fact Utd aren't even based in the City whom's name they bare); and copious amounts of ale since I've been home.

So I will take pause for coffee and to calm before I type something I may well regret later on today's proceedings.

Hail.

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Just back in the house from a ****** early part of the day in Stretford (I'm in a pissy mood so I'm starting by loving the fact Utd aren't even based in the City whom's name they bare); and copious amounts of ale since I've been home.

So I will take pause for coffee and to calm before I type something I may well regret later on today's proceedings.

Hail.

Ok, first today's controversy.

Why should anyone but an individual decide who they should and should not acknowledge? It was Luis Suarez's prerogative to ignore Patrice Evra, a man who's lies are behind having Suarez being branded a racist and banned for 8 games. If they authorities didn't want to run the risk, dispense with the B/S handshaking like yers did the QPR- Chelsea game a few weeks back to avoid similar between Anton Ferdinand and John Terry. Evra kept his dignity and Suarez is an absolute disgrace huh Fergie? Would that be the same Patrice Evra who's documented in the FA report on the incident as saying some utterly reprehensible things about Suarez, his Country and his family? The same Patrice Evra that's cried wolf on previous occasions accusing racism and been proven to be a complete liar? The same Patrice Evra who today, at the end of the game that Suarez was an apparent 'absolute disgrace', ran first to celebrate in front of our section in what can only be described as actions having the potential to incite crowd trouble, and then ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of and gaud Suarez and his teammates? And whilst we're on the subject, concentrate on your own team and not Liverpool's. Proclaiming Suarez should never play for Liverpool FC again is worthy of a charge of disrepute in itself. It's our prerogative to do as we see fit with our players. Not the manager of Manchester United or any other person outside Liverpool FC for that matter. But I guess that's the same classy, dignified manner Evra has shown according to his manager. I just hope Kenny does show the dignity that was lacking all round today and doesn't respond in kind. This **** needs to be left alone by the club now it's over.

I will say I can see the POV that Suarez snubbing the liar only served to add to an already volatile situation. But I know full well if I were in his shoes, having been disgracefully made an example of whilst the historically lying Frenchman is absolved of his part and lorded like some poor victim of a hideous crime; I'd of snubbed him too. Rio Ferdinand then snubbing Suarez was presumably another example of the 'dignity' on display from Utd today huh Ferguson, whilst everything bad is all on that 'absolute disgrace' Uruguayan.

And whilst I'm venting, can this **** please stop being reported as a racism thing by a media who should know FAR better. Both the FA, in going out of it's way to word the findings as a non-racist issue, and fricking Evra himself, have said Luis Suarez is not a racist. But hey, I guess if you throw enough **** as this disgraceful media witch-hunt has become some eventually sticks right?

As for the game, Liverpool got what they deserved. Wrong starting personnel and bad tactics again from Dalglish which is starting to become a tiresome worry. (WTF was Bellamy not starting for one?). And your totally and utterly ruining Gerrard. He's sat that deep he's virtually playing center half, with little to no scope to have any influence on games. A complete, abject surrender full of piss poor play and next to no urgency and enthusiasm. Utd won't have an easier game all year. And if someone can tell me how Jordan fricking Henderson stayed on the park for the full 90 minutes again I'm all ears.

A totally cruddy day all round.

Hail.

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Ok, first today's controversy.

Why should anyone but an individual decide who they should and should not acknowledge? It was Luis Suarez's prerogative to ignore Patrice Evra, a man who's lies are behind having Suarez branded a racist and banned for 8 games. If they authorities didn't want to run the risk, dispense with the B/S handshaking like yers did the QPR- Chelsea game a few weeks back to avoid similar between Anton Ferdinand and John Terry. Evra kept his dignity and Suarez is an absolute disgrace huh Fergie? Would that be the same Patrice Evra who's documented in the FA report on the incident as saying some utterly reprehensible things about Suarez, his Country and his family? The same Patrice Evra that's cried wolf on previous occasions accusing racism and been proven to be a complete liar? The same Patrice Evra who today, at the end of the game that Suarez was an apparent 'absolute disgrace', ran first to celebrate in front of our section in what can only be described as actions having the potential to incite crowd trouble, and then ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of and gaud Suarez and his teammates? And whilst we're on the subject, concentrate on your own team and not Liverpool's. Proclaiming Suarez should never play for Liverpool FC again is worthy of a charge of disrepute in itself. It's our prerogative to do as we see fit with our players. Not the manager of Manchester United or any other person outside Liverpool FC for that matter. But I guess that's the same classy, dignified manner Evra has shown according to his manager. I just hope Kenny does show the dignity that was lacking all round today and doesn't respond in kind. This **** needs to be left alone by the club now it's over.

I will say I can see the POV that Suarez snubbing the liar only served to add to an already volatile situation. But I know full well if I were in his shoes, having been disgracefully made an example of whilst the historically lying Frenchman is absolved of his part and lorded like some poor victim of a hideous crime; I'd of snubbed him too. Rio Ferdinand then snubbing Suarez was presumably another example of the 'dignity' on display from Utd today huh Ferguson, whilst everything bad is all on that 'absolute disgrace' Uruguayan.

And whilst I'm venting, can this **** please stop being reported as a racism thing by a media who should know FAR better. Both the FA, in going out of it's way to word the findings as a non-racist issue, and fricking Evra himself, have said Luis Suarez is not a racist. But hey, I guess if you throw enough **** as this disgraceful media witch-hunt has become some eventually sticks right?

As for the game, Liverpool got what they deserved. Wrong starting personnel and bad tactics again from Dalglish which is starting to become a tiresome worry. (WTF was Bellamy not starting for one?). And your totally and utterly ruining Gerrard. He's sat that deep he's virtually playing center half, with little to no scope to have any influence on games. A complete, abject surrender full of piss poor play and next to no urgency and enthusiasm. Utd won't have an easier game all year. And if someone can tell me how Jordan fricking Henderson stayed on the park for the full 90 minutes again I'm all ears.

A totally cruddy day all round.

Hail.

head up! Chelsea and Newcastle lost! This result is as expected, the media reaction is as expected. Evra was stirring up and Fergie jumped right in. Man United would be happy if Suarez left the EPL. Let them have their 2nd place finish with no hardware. Next year the Reds will correct the mistakes of last year (get some help on the wings) and Suarez will be handed the league trophy by Stevie G.

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I just needed to vent jobaga.

Aside from another shocking L'pool display, something that wasn't even worthy of a minutes news headlines is suddenly leading the fricking news again with the continued, disgraceful slurs against Liverpool Football Club and Luis Suarez all back to the fore.

The fact that nobody has the balls to stand-up and question Ferguson after he's stood by Cantona (a man who attacked opposition supporters); Keane (a thug who openly admits he went out to seriously injure an opposing player); and currently has players in his side like Ferdinand (a man who hosts party's for teammates with prostitutes in attendance. And refuses to turn up for drug test knowing he still has Class A drugs in his system); Giggs, a man who's had a 10 year sex tryst with his brothers wife; and Rooney, a man who's been caught out visiting 'specialist' brothels; after he had the darn faced cheek to question Liverpool's employment of Suarez and put Evra and his club up as some sort of moralistic standard-bearers was so hypocritically contradictory it had me rather pissed last night.

Hail.

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head up! Chelsea and Newcastle lost! This result is as expected, the media reaction is as expected. Evra was stirring up and Fergie jumped right in. Man United would be happy if Suarez left the EPL. Let them have their 2nd place finish with no hardware. Next year the Reds will correct the mistakes of last year (get some help on the wings) and Suarez will be handed the league trophy by Stevie G.

No hardware? If this does in fact happen, then I guess the first time in years is worth celebrating by rivals, eh? And keep hoping that Liverpool win the league next year . . . Should make for an entertaining failure to meet expectations.

GHH - Now that you've vented, I'll say my piece. Regarding Fergie's reaction to the incident, I'll agree with you that it is a bit hypocritical to go after Suarez given United's colorful players - both past and present - who have often thrown their morals out the window. I have no problem admitting that our players have indeed acted poorly in a lot of situations. With that said though, you cannot fault Fergie for defending his players and sticking up for them. And it is a natural reaction to highlight Suarez's behavior after considering the nature of the allegations, the rivalry between the two clubs, the atmosphere in the stadium, etc.

Now on to Luis himself. You have to throw your own fandom and allegiances out here and examine Suarez' snub by itself. I don't care if what Evra said is true, isn't true, or is somewhere in between. For the good of keeping amity and making the focus about THE GAME (which is most important), you absolutely HAVE to shake Pat's hand right there. You swallow your pride and put on the show. No way can a reasonable person honestly justify Luis not shaking hands with Evra. It was extremely childish and marred what should have been a great 90 minutes of football.

To the game itself. I didn't understand Daglish's tactics and formation. He allowed Carrick and Scholesy all the room in the world in the center of the park to pass the ball. There were times when they had no pressure on them, and could literally stand with the ball to survey the field multiple times. I'll gladly take the win and the three points, as it will continue to put pressure on City and any result against Liverpool is a positive, given the rivalry and the difficulty in playing you all. I've said it before and i'll say it again - Andy Carroll is a complete bum. How can he let Rafael out-jump him at least twice for headers? He cannot pass the ball. He does not contribute to any positive build-up. In fact, he limits Liverpool's attack because he lacks any real fundamentals.

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Well FWIW RCR26, Suarez has publicly apologized today (I still don't feel he has anything to apologise for over something that's been blown WAY out of proportion to what it actually was, but we won't rehash my feelings there); in a move that smacks of a desperate PR scrambling exercise after all the new publicity from a club that's been pretty darn rudderless in that respect for way too long now. Some of the managers recent quotes on the matter (a guy who I respect in sports more than anyone than just about Joe Gibbs) have been highly embarrassing to say the least. One of the best moves FSG could make would be to appoint a full time press officer to get on top of this crap.

As far as L'pool even thinking of challenging for the title, that's not happening anytime soon. We're as far a way as ever, and the vast majority of Kenny's buys are extremely average players at best, who he's massively over reached for in paying ridiculous amounts of money. I would of played Carroll though yesterday from the get-go FWIW. Getting beat by a Brazilian midget is a pertinent point ( I actually counted three times that happened); but I'd of had him out there from the get go to put pressure on de Gea, who's looked as shakey and poor as any keeper in the league of late. Not having Bellamy to run at a Utd defence lacking serious pace was another glaring tactical gaffe. Seeing Paul Scholes completely run the last two encounters at the age of 905 just beggars belief on all concerned.

We sure as heck better beat Cardiff in the league cup, because at the minute I don't see this side capable of putting on a run to get even a Europa league slot, let alone anything more.

Hail.

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Well FWIW RCR26, Suarez has publicly apologized today (I still don't feel he has anything to apologise for over something that's been blown WAY out of proportion to what it actually was, but we won't rehash my feelings there); in a move that smacks of a desperate PR scrambling exercise after all the new publicity from a club that's been pretty darn rudderless in that respect for way too long now.

Yeah I just saw that he apologized for his actions, which as you rightly point out, is a HUGE and "desperate" PR move. The fact that there has been this much backlash though shows you that he should have just played nice with Evra yesterday from the beginning.

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Ok, first today's controversy.

Why should anyone but an individual decide who they should and should not acknowledge? It was Luis Suarez's prerogative to ignore Patrice Evra, a man who's lies are behind having Suarez being branded a racist and banned for 8 games. If they authorities didn't want to run the risk, dispense with the B/S handshaking like yers did the QPR- Chelsea game a few weeks back to avoid similar between Anton Ferdinand and John Terry. Evra kept his dignity and Suarez is an absolute disgrace huh Fergie? Would that be the same Patrice Evra who's documented in the FA report on the incident as saying some utterly reprehensible things about Suarez, his Country and his family? The same Patrice Evra that's cried wolf on previous occasions accusing racism and been proven to be a complete liar? The same Patrice Evra who today, at the end of the game that Suarez was an apparent 'absolute disgrace', ran first to celebrate in front of our section in what can only be described as actions having the potential to incite crowd trouble, and then ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of and gaud Suarez and his teammates? And whilst we're on the subject, concentrate on your own team and not Liverpool's. Proclaiming Suarez should never play for Liverpool FC again is worthy of a charge of disrepute in itself. It's our prerogative to do as we see fit with our players. Not the manager of Manchester United or any other person outside Liverpool FC for that matter. But I guess that's the same classy, dignified manner Evra has shown according to his manager. I just hope Kenny does show the dignity that was lacking all round today and doesn't respond in kind. This **** needs to be left alone by the club now it's over.

I will say I can see the POV that Suarez snubbing the liar only served to add to an already volatile situation. But I know full well if I were in his shoes, having been disgracefully made an example of whilst the historically lying Frenchman is absolved of his part and lorded like some poor victim of a hideous crime; I'd of snubbed him too. Rio Ferdinand then snubbing Suarez was presumably another example of the 'dignity' on display from Utd today huh Ferguson, whilst everything bad is all on that 'absolute disgrace' Uruguayan.

And whilst I'm venting, can this **** please stop being reported as a racism thing by a media who should know FAR better. Both the FA, in going out of it's way to word the findings as a non-racist issue, and fricking Evra himself, have said Luis Suarez is not a racist. But hey, I guess if you throw enough **** as this disgraceful media witch-hunt has become some eventually sticks right?

I don't think I would shake his hand either, even if it is the right thing to do. I guess Rio gets a pass...

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No hardware? If this does in fact happen, then I guess the first time in years is worth celebrating by rivals, eh? And keep hoping that Liverpool win the league next year . . . Should make for an entertaining failure to meet expectations..

I forgot that United are in the Europa Cup, so they actually have a pretty good chance of winning some hardware this year. I am not the type of fan that wants other teams to lose. I would rather my team beat their rivals at their best.

Anyone who is honest will tell you that Liverpool needs better players. I love Spearing, but he is not Lucas. I think Carroll is playing better over the last few games, but he is not world class (probably never will be). Downing and Kuyt are not good enough on the wing. Valencia looked unstoppable yesterday, while the Reds' wings looked average at best.

As far as Evra goes....nevermind

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No hardware? If this does in fact happen, then I guess the first time in years is worth celebrating by rivals, eh? And keep hoping that Liverpool win the league next year . . . Should make for an entertaining failure to meet expectations..

double post....

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The double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to Utd is beyond nauseating. But that's a whole other discussion.

Hail.

the fact is that Evra ran around like he won the world cup. He went even went out of his way to celebrate in front of Saurez. Saurez, to his credit, stayed calm and walked off the pitch. I thought it was great that his team mates took offense and stood up for him. No way not shaking his hand is worse than this, talk about stirring up emotions....

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..... I am not the type of fan that wants other teams to lose .....

Don't be ashamed of that. The vast majority of L'pool and Utd fans wouldn't want the respective other to win a corner, let alone games and trophy's.

It's a rivalry, which borders on outright hatred, that is right up there with anything in World football. I was reminded again yesterday why as much as I get caught up in it and relish it (disliking our 'friends' from that City at the other end of the East Lancs Rd, rightly or wrongly, is part of my DNA); I hate and detest it in equal measure for all the horridness it brings out of people. Using football disasters and people dying to score points is frankly embarrassing and by no means as low as it gets. Utd taunt about Hillsborough, and delight in calling us murderers over Heysel. L'pool hit back with crap about Munich, or Harold Shipman, a man you may not of heard of as most of his killings where Mancunians. (The fact that he also killed Scousers through his reign of terror is lost on these morons.). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman

Young L'pool player Jack Robinson was sat just behind us yesterday, which makes you wonder just what the players think of it all. A girl sat right behind me also got a 50p coin hit her forehead, splitting it and had to be led out crying for medical attention; but L'pool fans were just as bad. And this comes on top of Utd cutting L'pool's allocation by a third yesterday, on the pretence of safety; but the more underlying word is their sick of having seats and the like wrecked, even though L'pool naturally foot the bill. (And vice versa when Utd come to Anfield.) . It really is a horrid, horrid fixture, particularly at Old Trafford., that brings out the very worst in human nature A game that sadly has little to do with football and more two City's just 35 miles yet WORLDS apart.

So don't fear saying you want Utd to win nothing. It's a natural feeling on both sides of the divide.

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the fact is that Evra ran around like he won the world cup. He went even went out of his way to celebrate in front of Saurez. Saurez, to his credit, stayed calm and walked off the pitch. I thought it was great that his team mates took offense and stood up for him. No way not shaking his hand is worse than this, talk about stirring up emotions....

As I noted earlier, before he ended up by the tunnel in front of Suarez, he ran straight to the opposite end to celebrate in front of the L'pool fans at the final whistle. If that's not inciting potential trouble, I don't know what is. But Gary Neville used to be great doing that there, and nothing ever happened to him either. But then I could bring up Robbie Fowler, wherever he's played, delighting in antagonising Utd fans by either celebrating in front of them, or holding up his hand to remind them of those 5 big ones.

But meh, hopefully, although I aren't expecting it, today's apology from Suarez will lay this whole affair, at least between the two clubs on the pitch, to rest.

Hail.

Oh, and while I remember, you guys are exceptionally fortunate to have Thierry Henry playing out there. Again with yesterdays winner, he only added and enhanced his absolute living legend status in England for a Frenchman that's liked by the vast majority. One of, if not the single best player in the Premier League era IMHO.

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Anyone considering going to FedEx for the USMNT vs Brazil match on May 30th?

I would consider it if it wasn't so expensive, and if it was on a weekend. I'd rather save my money for some World Cup qualifiers, though :)

Read this morning that Donovan has helped create 63% of Everton's goal since his current loan stint started.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1065290-everton-fulham-getting-boost-from-colonies-donovan-dempsey-thriving-in-epl

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Anyone considering going to FedEx for the USMNT vs Brazil match on May 30th?

I really wanted to go. I wanted to take my 5 year old. Seeing the Brazilian 'A' squad would be fantastic. Like everyone else said, Wednesday night + $60 (minimum for non-obstructed view) + $14 fees and charges +$100 for parking pass = I will watch the game at home or at a bar. Too bad...

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I'll never understand the reasoning for not dropping the prices right down for friendlies/ exhibition games that are in effect glorified practice matches. Doubtless they'll be Brazilians missing from the squad that would be in there where it a competitive game.

But I guess FedEx will end up being sold out as it's Brazil so that will justify the pricing to the USSF.

Hail.

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