Wow on ESPN they were asking Kiper who is a QB Away From Contending

[wildbill1952]

The OP's original statement from Kiper is why I seldom believe what Kiper says and feel that his analysis of NFL teams and their draft needs is a bad joke. He obviously didn't look any more deeply than the headlines when it comes to the Skins. Every year I've watched Kiper's draft analysis of the Redskins I leave shaking my head.

Anyone who believes the Skins would be close to contending by simply adding a QB into the mix is either an idiot or gets all of his inside scoop from ES. He obviously doesn't know this team.

[Malcomb Kelly]

Errr, a QB, an offensive line, a linebacker, maybe a corner, etc.?

We won't be in the playoffs for two years at the least.

you know... not every member of the Saints went to the pro-bowl....

(don't get nit-picky, technically none of the saints went to the probowl this year, thats not the point.)

[jtpop]

Maybe a QB and 1 Left Tackle away from a shot at the playoffs

[angel2]

We will never get an O-line who can pass protect for the 30 seconds Jason needs.

Now that's a great observation. Jason Campbell scares the ---- out of me when he practice so well. But come 1:00 PM on Sundays or any other day and time the game is played, he looks like Jason the rookie.

I wonder if Shanny will see through his smoke screen?

[Coolio47]

and olines ned a QB? Amazing how the road goes both ways isn't it?

Is it safer to pave the road before driving down it? Idk, thats the best i could do:silly:

[DGREENHULK]

Peyton Manning on this team and we wouldn't win. He would be killed due to the line blocking in front of him

Couldn't AGREE more with this statement. I think Kiper"s hairspray has finally reached his cerebral cortex:silly:

[[[ghost]]]

We could have a competent QB with a competent OL, so Kiper isn't exactly wrong.

I think all of us are under estimating the power of a proper coach. Zorn, bless him, was a mediocre HC. Shanahan will have better success here with teh same talent.

[.THEkid.]

Errr, a QB, an offensive line, a linebacker, maybe a corner, etc.?

We won't be in the playoffs for two years at the least.

I don't understand statements like this. So you're telling me our players are basically not gonna put any effort into winning. Great example; Cardinals. Did you think they were going to make it to the super bowl? Its all about who wants it more. With Mike/Kyle Shanahan, I wouldn't be shocked if we go deep into the playoffs.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I don't understand statements like this. So you're telling me our players are basically not gonna put any effort into winning. Great example; Cardinals. Did you think they were going to make it to the super bowl? Its all about who wants it more. With Mike/Kyle Shanahan, I wouldn't be shocked if we go deep into the playoffs.

we dont have the talent/skill at key positions to win at the current time. you used the cardinals as an example? they have a future HOF QB, one of the best receivers in the league, a defense that gets turnovers and plays very well in december, and they play in a cakewalk division. our situation doesnt mirror theirs whatsoever.

coach shanahan is a great coach, hes not a miracle worker.

[J-bomb]

we dont have the talent/skill at key positions to win at the current time. you used the cardinals as an example? they have a future HOF QB, one of the best receivers in the league, a defense that gets turnovers and plays very well in december, and they play in a cakewalk division. our situation doesnt mirror theirs whatsoever.

coach shanahan is a great coach, hes not a miracle worker.

If Zorn can start off 6-2 with JC, deadweight players a sorry ass conditioning program and a predictable O then imagine what Kyle/Mike can do with this team! It will only get better, watch!

[.THEkid.]

If Zorn can start off 6-2 with JC, deadweight players a sorry ass conditioning program and a predictable O then imagine what Kyle/Mike can do with this team! It will only get better, watch!

Well BLC doesmake a point with the Cardinals divison. But with all/potential HOF players you name, they still went 9-7. In the playoffs, they looked like a COMPLETE different team.

[J-bomb]

Well BLC doesmake a point with the Cardinals divison. But with all/potential HOF players you name, they still went 9-7. In the playoffs, they looked like a COMPLETE different team.

I wasn't commenting on the Cardinals I agree with him they don't compare to us at all, maybe this season they do but not last year.

[The Wicked Wop]

Errr, a QB, an offensive line, a linebacker, maybe a corner, etc.?

We won't be in the playoffs for two years at the least.

To think you can't fix the team's problems in 2 offseasons is just being uninformed. It was not like we were horrible at linebacker and corner. If you fix the oline you take your chances it will help your QB. Inside LB's can can be found and Fletcher has atleast 1 more good season left in him. At corner you don't have anything elite but it is not the worst combination.

Long story short. Fox the online and decide what your long term solution is a QB. You fix that the rest is easy.

[TheItalianStallion]

Ding. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that good QBs make O lines look better and bad QBs make them look worse? Do I have to re-post those pics of Jason not throwing to a wide open receiver and being flushed out of the pocket by a non-existent pass rush by three men, two of which were on the ground? :doh:

You mean the thread where your arguments, sans maybe 1 or 2, were eviscerated ad nauseum? You're right that good QBs make Olines look better. Campbell made our 2009 Oline look better more often than he made it look worse.

[TheItalianStallion]

Peyton Manning on this team and we wouldn't win. He would be killed due to the line blocking in front of him

I agree that Oline is a much bigger concern than QB, but let's not go nuts...

[mi6]

that thread was priceless, and you still had numerous people telling you how incorrect you were.

I concur.

Folks will find whatever excuse/s to defend a Jason "Mr. Dumbbell" Campbell!

Let's face it ... he hasn't lived up to all the hype. Let's keep in mind, that for this QB, the Skins gave up 3 picks -- a 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder, and a 4th rounder!

Other QBs drafted before him have played more games and have had more success leading their teams to playoff!

JC is slow in all aspects of the game...

- He has a slow delivery

- He is slow in making good defensive reads

- He is slow in picking up blitz

- He is slow in making progressive reads to select an open WR

- He is slow and inaccurate in getting the ball down field

... and, the list goes on!

Time for us to put the JC era behind us, and move forward.

[Atlass]

I think right now with Campbell the Skins are a 7-9 to 9-7 team and they will compete for a playoff spot this year. No doubt in my mind. A great coach makes all the difference in the world.

[zCommander]

It is nice to be positive but you gotta temper comments like that with realism. Our line is a bigger problem than our QB. No opponents respected our run or pass protection last year for good reason. It sure had to be fun playing D line against us.

They don't respect our pass offense because of the QB. They know JC is not quick so they stack the box. A smart QB will see a rush and burn even a good D in less then 3 seconds. JC couldn't even do this with less talented Ds last year.

JC needs more time to see a play develop and to have the WR come open first. :doh:

By the way, even when JC had time last year he was not that impressive.

[HoggLife]

I believe we are only offensive lineman and a return specialist away from being a contender. I think with a good O line that Campbell can get the job done. I do think he needs to step up more as a vocal leader. But I think Shanny can get the job done with Campbell.

[zCommander]

Making the playoffs is great and dandy but look at what the Cowboys did for years, making the playoffs and not winning a game.

Then they won ONE playoff game last year, but do you think their fans are pleased?

I don't want a playoff appearance next year if it means we're not planning for the future. Get young, now. We'll suffer for a few seasons but then we could be a legitimate team with quality starters and a good mix of veterans and youth blah blah blah.

This win-now mentality is toxic and apparently didn't leave when Vinny packed his bags.

By the way you just proved that even if you have a good o-line you still need a clutch QB which Romo sits to pee is not.

[Newera]

I think right now with Campbell the Skins are a 7-9 to 9-7 team and they will compete for a playoff spot this year. No doubt in my mind. A great coach makes all the difference in the world.

Have you seen our schedule this year.

[adamyesme1111]

Peyton Manning on this team and we wouldn't win. He would be killed due to the line blocking in front of him

IMO this is the dumbest thing anyone can say, (not trying to take a shot at you) and it seems like you probably have a percentage of people agreeing with you too.

Peyton Manning isn't a quarterback who needs his team to make him better he makes his team better. He wouldn't get killed behind our O-line as much as you think because he doesn't hold onto the ball as long. If Peyton Manning was on our team we damn sure WOULD win if our defense held up, and I would bet my car on that. An O-line is DAMN important, and ours is in the bottom 10 maybe 5 in the NFL, but it isnt a swinging gate like people think, they are NFL players. Like someone said before, all you would need is an average-to-above average offense to win if our defense performs like they are capable.

We have bigger needs at O-line then quarterback I'll agree. Imagine if we had Aaron Rodgers as our quarterback then. He has an even WORSE offensive line then us, (I know, can you believe it?) and look at the numbers he puts up. With the logic you are using Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL since he can play behind a bad offensive line.

I think if we had a great quarterback, we damn sure would contend IMO.

[grego]

Peyton Manning isn't a quarterback who needs his team to make him better he makes his team better. He wouldn't get killed behind our O-line as much as you think because he doesn't hold onto the ball as long.

i agree that peyton is the best at pre snap reads and gets rid of the ball quickly. while i dont think he'd 'win' here, he would do as well as a QB could.

neither brady nor peyton has won when a D is in their faces.

We have bigger needs at O-line then quarterback I'll agree. Imagine if we had Aaron Rodgers as our quarterback then. He has an even WORSE offensive line then us, (I know, can you believe it?) and look at the numbers he puts up. With the logic you are using Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL since he can play behind a bad offensive line.

i realize you are probably saying rodgers O line is worse cuz he got sacked more last year. i think thats a mistake for a few reasons.

first, rodgers holds the ball. so does roethlisberger. check out big bens sack #s since he's been pitts QB. back to rodgers- google 'aaron rodgers hol' and it will finish it for you. doesnt work for any other QB, btw. his coach even said he holds the ball too long. that doesnt mean he isnt great, or that he doesnt make teams pay as often as he takes a sack- he does. the last game we saw him play, at least 3 of his 4 sacks were him holding the ball, arguably all four.

GB also had a very good run game. grants OK as a RB. but their line can run block.

they also got much better later in the season when whats his name was playing. clifton was it? whoever.

so, rodgers is very good at improv, he has a very good run game (also a D that got more picks than any other team in the NFL, giving him more chances. our D was 5th worst in the league in INT's, further handicapping a QB who is nowhere near as good as rodgers at making plays outside the pocket.) this is not to say rodgers is bad, or campbell is great, but rodgers line is much better than the skins.

its more than just sack #'s.

[KennyKhaos]

Have you seen our schedule this year.

No disrespect my friend, but I'll never agree with this way of thinking. This a year to year, game to game league. If Shannahan's coaching can make us a solid team, then we should be able to compete with anyone. We don't know the type of product that will be put on the field next year, but I know it will be better than what we had last year. I'm not saying we'll be a 12-4 team, but I can see 9-7. It's not outta the question that we'll be able to compete for a playoff spot next year

[No Excuses]

Aaron Rodgers holds onto the ball too much but Campbell doesn't? Were we all napping when Campbell would take a three step drop and just stand there instead of releasing it? He would get completely nailed because the lines blocking scheme was only for A THREE STEP DROP.

Good lord people, stop making excuses. The line sucked last year but when has Campbell ever proven that he's capable of producing even with talent? Todd Collins played with two backups on his right side, one being a washed up Jason Fabini at Guard and a rookie Stephon Heyer at RT and led us to the playoffs. He understood the system and when to get rid of the ball. Our five season rookie still can't understand NFL offenses.