Destino Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I don't mean to be offensive but I don't give too much credit to any American spouting off about what we have that is "the best in the world". Most Americans don't really know anything about how anyone in the world does anything at all, and they don't care. Just ask the people that feverishly argue that this is the best country for anything and everything on the planet how long they have lived anywhere else and how many languages they speak. You'll notice a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I don't mean to be offensive but I don't give too much credit to any American spouting off about what we have that is "the best in the world". Most Americans don't really know anything about how anyone in the world does anything at all, and they don't care. Just ask the people that feverishly argue that this is the best country for anything and everything on the planet how long they have lived anywhere else and how many languages they speak. You'll notice a pattern. You sound like one of them America-hatin California Commies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Just to add to that a little. America is the only industrialized country in the world which hasn't gone to a universal coverage system. Back in the 50's 60's and early 1970's we did have the model healthcare system in the world. We regularly ranked #1 in the world for healthcare.But that hasn't been the case since the early 70's. First the scandinavian countries passed us up, and then everybody else did too. Today we are #1 in only one catagory. #1 in cost per capita. Look at the cost of goods and the income / sales tax in those Scandanavian countries, it is way over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I don't mean to be offensive but I don't give too much credit to any American spouting off about what we have that is "the best in the world". Most Americans don't really know anything about how anyone in the world does anything at all, and they don't care. Just ask the people that feverishly argue that this is the best country for anything and everything on the planet how long they have lived anywhere else and how many languages they speak. You'll notice a pattern. That's a great point. I remember a pretty good Burgold thread about just that, but I'm not about to go wading through the pile of his old threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 You sound like one of them America-hatin California Commies. lol... you know I've never been to California? But they have the best <insert idea> IN THE WHOLE FRIGGIN WORLD. just take my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 If you believe the US has the 37th best health care in the world, then raise your hand if you're one of the folks who went to the following country (or sent your relatives) to the following countries: France, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria, Japan. Well if you haven't gone to any other country to get health care, than I guess 37th is good enough for you and me and everyone else here. For the record this is a ridiculous sticks and stones debate. Have fun debating while the elite rape and pillage this country. Partisanship is so stupid. Let me go find some more statistics I can throw at other people who only give a crap about winning an argument. Does anyone have a link to the chronological order of WHO rankings? It *would* be interesting to see the USA ranks in 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990. The stat came from their year 2000 publication. I am interested to know if we rose or fell or if the USA has always been ranked this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 We rank 14th in Preventable deaths, behind socialist systems like France, Spain, Italy, Canada, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, and a few others. Our life expectancy is 24th in the world, behind once again France, Spain, Sweden and a host of other countries with socialized universal healthcare systems. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg/800px-Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg.png It's a myth that Health Care is going to be more affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 but that doesn't explain away our rankings in life expectancy and other metrics. The U.S. has fallen from its perch and the healthcare system today is not the best overall, especially for certain demographic groups and certain areas of the country. The United States ACTUALLY reports everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 The United States ACTUALLY reports everything. Can you PROVE another country doesn't report things? What don't these other countries report and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 Look at the cost of goods and the income / sales tax in those Scandanavian countries, it is way over the top. What does this have to do with healthcare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What does this have to do with healthcare? You figure it out, I provided a nice little chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg/800px-Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg.png It's a myth that Health Care is going to be more affordable. If you look at the percentage of the GDP spent on healthcare you can see we spend a significantly higher part of our GDP on our healthcare system then those "socialist" countries. Taxes don't play into that at all, we spend a higher per capita amount on healthcare then any European nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 You figure it out, I provided a nice little chart. Uh, European countries spend less per capita on healthcare then we do. Taxes or no taxes their system is less expensive as a whole, unless you can provide some proof that our system is cheaper or more effective showing tax rates doesn't actually prove anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I thought france spent 51% of their income on taxes to include healthcare. and got supplemental insurance to cover the rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 If you look at the percentage of the GDP spent on healthcare you can see we spend a significantly higher part of our GDP on our healthcare system then those "socialist" countries. Taxes don't play into that at all, we spend a higher per capita amount on healthcare then any European nation. :laugh: Taxes don't play into it(Health Care) at all? Come on man, that's insane. These countries absolutely use tax to pay for their health care, the difference is, they tax some items so heavily that the common man can't afford some of the more average things in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaxBuddy21 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 In America the drugs for AIDS costs over $400 a day.In Africa, they cost less than $.25 a day. At least that's what my friends who have AIDS have told me. You cannot compare drug costs here to drug costs in Africa. Do you know why they are so expensive here? Because drug companies have to make up the cost difference for what they have to give them away for in Africa to ensure equal access to drugs around the world. Its not fair to do all the clinical trials testing on African citizens and then not make the drugs affordable for them so we as consumers eat the cost while the drug companies try to ensure they make a profit for all the time and money they put into the drug research before their patent expires and companies can start making generic forms of the drug. Its a race against the clock to make as much as you can as fast as you can. I mean heck, walmart sells generic drugs for $4. It doesnt get much cheaper than that. How can companies that spent millions to develop the drug compete with that? Make as much as they can before generics are allowed to be produced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I thought france spent 51% of their income on taxes to include healthcare.and got supplemental insurance to cover the rest? France has a 33 percent corporate tax, 21% social charges, 0 to 50% income tax, 45% payroll tax, and a value added tax of 19.6% and 5.5% on certain goods (e.g. food). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 :laugh: Taxes don't play into it(Health Care) at all? Come on man, that's insane. These countries absolutely use tax to pay for their health care, the difference is, they tax some items so heavily that the common man can't afford some of the more average things in life. They also use them to pay for a lot of other things. You are trying to show a direct link while leaving out all sorts of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 How bout we say the United States has the best "Emergency Care". When you absolutely, positively have to LIVE after having it care... The care every person in every other country come here for... LONG Term care is not up to par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 for the record this is a ridiculous sticks and stones debate. Have fun debating while the elite rape and pillage this country. Partisanship is so stupid. Let me go find some more statistics i can throw at other people who only give a crap about winning an argument. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 They also use them to pay for a lot of other things. You are trying to show a direct link while leaving out all sorts of things. We are talking about paying 20 to 25% sales tax on certain items in some of the countries mentioned in the OP. I know for a fact Canada has a sin tax on items such as beer and wine and that is directly linked to the cost of health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 How bout we say the United States has the best "Emergency Care". The care itself is good, but the wait times in most emergency rooms before you get to get any care at all is often horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 The care itself is good, but the wait times in most emergency rooms before you get to get any care at all is often horrendous. Depending on the severity of your injury and symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Depending on the severity of your injury and symptoms. You walk in critical your seen instantly in 99% of the cases. IF you have a quadruple bypass coming you get it... and go back home alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Depending on the severity of your injury and symptoms. ... and your ability to pay. Emergency rooms are terrible. I've seen too many lost tests, long waits, and overall incompetence. They're often overworked, understaffed, and no efficient. (warning mass anecdotal response above based on personal experience, friends' experience, relative experience, and asundry articles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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