chow184 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 or else it's illegal formation or something to that. 4th quarter 8:28 left 3rd and 5 giants are in the shotgun,but it looks like they're in a ****ing V formation. how's that not a penalty? I remember the skins getting flagged for it this preseason because the LT was lined up a little behind the center, they said it gives the OL an advantage picking up the rush. both guards are easily a head behind the center and the both tackles are back further than the guards. The Giants OL walls off the blitzing redskins D allowing eli to thread a ball to a WR who was covered decently but not good enough by D.Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yes, there is a rule about that. Its mainly a judgement call, WTF happened to the refs judgement that called our game?! That's not even close.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yes, there is a rule about that.Its mainly a judgement call, WTF happened to the refs judgement that called our game?! That's not even close.. not even close to being a penalty or not even close to being legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Fried Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 That's a pretty obvious call if that's the rule. I mean, how much more obvious does it need to be. The tackles are practically standing up already ready for the pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 That's a pretty obvious call if that's the rule. I mean, how much more obvious does it need to be. The tackles are practically standing up already ready for the pass rush. well thats a 2 point stance which is perfectly legal. my only question is, I thought illegal formation was called if any OG's or OT's helmet was behind the centers helmet/shoulder pads. the giants tackles are almost behind the center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The linemen's helmets have to be aligned with the center's waist if I'm not mistaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger187126 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 they have been calling the **** out of this rule since the preseason this year. maybe it got bad last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I have seen numerous calls on not enough men on the line of scrimmage in preseason and usually it's one guy not the whole offensive line like that pic shows. this a completely illegal formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 lol, doesn't get much more blatant then that. What the hell ref? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 not even close to being a penalty or not even close to being legal? Not even close to being legal. I've seen OL lineup straighter than that and get called for a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The linemen's helmets have to be aligned with the center's waist if I'm not mistaking. You would be correct. Impressive for a young poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Especially that RT. He's not even aligned with the centers butt, let alone his waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyphenatedbren Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I found all the rules on the NFL's site for the position of offensive players at the snap: Digest of Rules Main Position of Players at Snap Offensive team must have at least seven players on line. Offensive players, not on line, must be at least one yard back at snap. (Exception: player who takes snap.) No interior lineman may move abruptly after taking or simulating a three-point stance. No player of either team may enter neutral zone before snap. No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. No player of the defensive team within one yard of the line of scrimmage may make an abrupt movement in an attempt to cause the offense to false start. If a player changes his eligibility, the Referee must alert the defensive captain after player has reported to him. All players of offensive team must be stationary at snap, except one back who may be in motion parallel to scrimmage line or backward (not forward). After a shift or huddle all players on offensive team must come to an absolute stop for at least one second with no movement of hands, feet, head, or swaying of body. Quarterbacks can be called for a false start penalty (five yards) if their actions are judged to be an obvious attempt to draw an opponent offside. Offensive linemen are permitted to interlock legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvkeeper19 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The rule of thumb is that as long as a player's head is at least even with the center's backside, he is considered to be line up at the line of scrimmage. By that standard, the Giants had only 6 men on the LOS on that play. Should have been called a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ke27on Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 this seems soooo blatantly illegal. like not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyeG Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yep..looks like they only had 6 players on the LOS...should have drawn a hankie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwsleep Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I recall that--and I think it happened more than once. I was never a big fan of the rule, but if you're going to emphasize it in pre-season, you'd think it would be called when it's blatant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 What was the outcome of this play? jc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 My guess is the 7th man on the LOS is the receiver we do not see. As has been stated previously in this thread, if a players helmet is as far up as the center's waist, they are considered on the LOS which means the gnats arguably had 7 on the LOS. Very questionable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvkeeper19 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 My guess is the 7th man on the LOS is the receiver we do not see. As has been stated previously in this thread, if a players helmet is as far up as the center's waist, they are considered on the LOS which means the gnats arguably had 7 on the LOS. Huh? That pic shows all 11 players. Only 6 are "on" the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think the NFL refs totally sucked in the preseason calling petty stuff, or missing rather blatant holds, etc. I know they are human and miss stuff from time to time..but more and more officiating stinks...not this play necessarily, I'm not sure of the rule but that does look like a questionable formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 What was the outcome of this play? jc.. it was a third down,and the giants converted it with a 15 or so yard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Wow. Usually I think the "Blame the refs!" threads are full of Kool-Aid, but, Goddamn, that's just a blatantly illegal formation. I can't believe I didn't spot that during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I seen that called in like 3 other games over the weekend! WTF man? Where was our call! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz248 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Wow this should definitely be a penalty right here. Can anyone grab the picture of when we got called for this penalty in the preseason? I KNOW our call was tough to make, but this call is so obvious. Horrible job by the refs that missed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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